Ban my semi-automatic weapon--NOT LIKELY

SCORPIO said:
I don't know where some of you live that you can buy guns without background checks, but in PA every gun bought from a dealer requires an instant background check. You are either approved or denied on the spot, no waiting period. Transfers between private sellers require a check if gun is a handgun. Not currently required on private transfers of long guns, but is have no problem if a check were required there either.
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In California, when I purchased my .357 revolver, I had to pass a test and get a "Handgun Safety Certificate". Then there was a two week waiting period. That handgun is registered to me and, if it was involved in criminal activity, it could be traced to me. And I knew the salesman. The transfer between private owners is trickier. I acquired a couple of nice unregistered firearms with no paper. Both I inherited. I suspect a lot of older, unregistered firearms change hands at premium pricing BECAUSE they are unregistered. Still, you have to start somewhere. Just because you can not cure a problem overnight, does not mean you should not even try to begin curing the problem.
 
SCORPIO said:
I don't know where some of you live that you can buy guns without background checks, but in PA every gun bought from a dealer requires an instant background check. You are either approved or denied on the spot, no waiting period. Transfers between private sellers require a check if gun is a handgun. Not currently required on private transfers of long guns, but is have no problem if a check were required there either.
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Indiana - from a dealer or online, must go through an FFL and a 4473 background check be completed. Person to Person - no background check, same for handguns and long guns.
 
juggernaut1 said:
This is the thing....we don't need to defend ourselves with guns....there is actually no need - look at the deaths by guns graph I previously posted. Hold ups are rarely with guns and home invasions are rarely with guns. There really is no need to feel bad for us. I could walk down any street in the city I live in without fear.

There are only something like 800,000 registered gun owners in Australia.
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You keep mentioning GUN deaths in Australia. Yes they may be down and home invasions with guns may be down but guns aren't the only weapons out there. Your fooling yourself into a false sense of security.
 
Gofirstclass said:
dwna, Let me correct you on one thing. The parts necessary to legally convert a semi-auto to a full auto weapon are covered under the same law that applies to fully automatic weapons, silencers, etc. It requires completion of a federal form, payment of the $200 tax and approval from the Feds. Here's a link to the Wikiipedia site that explains it....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Firearms_Act

Some semi-auto handguns and rifles can be converted by altering the existing parts. Ain't legal without the tax and stamp, but can be done.
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In fact, it is not league at all for a private citizen to convert or own a fully automatic gun that is manufactured after May 1986. This law jacks up the price of pre 1986 autos to the point that most citizens can't afford them.
 
wish2fish said:
Do those deaths include police killing criminals?

I would like a statistic. Gun death of innocent person per 100,000. I could really give a damn if a criminal kills another criminal, police kill a criminal or a potential victim kills a criminal.
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A thinking man. I like you! It looks very much like the one I saw that did include those deaths. I am trying to locate my source
 
I do not think there is an argument whether higher density of people (with guns) plus lower density of dollars equals more shooting deaths. To me the issue boils down to what I need to protect my family. I agree accidental deaths and gang shootings are still bad and we should mitigate them as we can. I think deciding who is "innocent" is a can of worms. In the history of the world a gun has never, ever, killed a person all by itself. If I am in a remote anchorage and a panga shows up with armed men wanting to board, I do not want to be protecting my family with a flare gun. Faced with a Bear or Mountain Lion threatening one of my grandsons 20 hard trail miles from the nearest medevac point, I do not want to be throwing sticks and rocks. If there are armed thugs threatening my neighbors, or Gun fire breaks out near my home, I do not want to be hiding in the closet waiting for help. I can not speak for other places, but here (in CA) the police are not always your friend. Russel Perdock is now the Mayer of Clear Lake! If you are a boater and do not know how Lynn Thorton Died, and Bizmark Dinius lost $300K, due to a Sherriff deputies actions, you should read the story. Mayor Perdock should be in jail for murder. Guns are not the answer for everybody. They are a dangerous tool that can be used effectively by properly trained and responsible people. In the hands of anyone else they are a dangerous advantage or a useless threat.
 
Riptide III said:
You keep mentioning GUN deaths in Australia. Yes they may be down and home invasions with guns may be down but guns aren't the only weapons out there. Your fooling yourself into a false sense of security.
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All Boomerangs should be registered with local law enforcement....no...... they should be banned and anyone in possession of a Boomerang should be sent to some far away penal colony to start their own country.
 
France has gun laws that are definitely not relaxed. They have way fewer guns per capita and extreme restrictions on ownership. Concealed carry is illegal. They exceed the US in shooting deaths. Anyone who thinks laws are going to prevent our relatively rare, but sensationalized, mass shootings are delusional. Gun laws do nothing to prevent a jihadist or psychopath from obtaining guns illegally. In which of the mass shootings were gun laws followed? When you have saturated the books with gun laws and they are still not followed, no other gun laws are going to stop a psychopath or jihadist. Time to go after the psychopaths and jihadists. It's not PC to do that. Well, guess what, it is becoming not PC to infringe on the Second Amendment. Oh, and check your facts before you reply here that it is easier to buy a gun than to buy a book or fresh vegetable.

One more thing. People who are not American, who do not understand American history and the American political system of "we the people," a constitutional republic and have lived their entire lives as subjects of a monarchy will never be able to understand the concept and purpose of the Second Amendment. I get that now after many years of seeing this argument from people who are subjects of their government.
 
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2000SR380 said:
Faced with a Bear or Mountain Lion threatening one of my grandsons 20 hard trail miles from the nearest medevac point, I do not want to be throwing sticks and rocks.
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Bear spray has been shown to be much more effective in stopping a bear attack than a gun.
 
Yeah, but a gun can reach out to a bear that's still 50 yards away and charging. Also, try your bear spray into the wind and see how that works for you.
 
Gofirstclass said:
Yeah, but a gun can reach out to a bear that's still 50 yards away and charging. Also, try your bear spray into the wind and see how that works for you.
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Don't take my word for it look at the statistics and research. Open your closed mind and educate yourself.
 
Westie, Seems like you form your opinions on what you read as opposed to real world experiences that you have encountered whether that be a Mercruiser manual or a hiking guide in bear country. Charging bear... large caliber gun or an aerosol can of repellent ? tough choice. LMFAO. Time to head outside and sample the real world.
 
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scoflaw said:
Seems like you form your opinions on what you read as opposed to real world experiences that you have encountered whether that be a Mercruiser manual or a hiking guide in bear country. Charging bear... large caliber gun or an aerosol can of repellent ? tough choice. LMFAO. Time to head outside and sample the real world.
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It depends on what kind of bear your talking, black bears are bluffing you won't have to shoot them, a grizz is different, he might be bluffing and he might not.
 
We have the good guys with guns, some buy them, some may have inherited them from grandpa, some are actually shot and some are dusty in the closet.

We got the criminals with guns, like the crackhead that needs something to point at you as he says ‘gimme yo’ fcking money’ or the gangs that shoot each other up as they protect their turf or avenge the latest diss…the guns are kind of like a bricklayers trowel…just a tool..

We got the jihadist who think their fight to protect Islam should include sneak attacks on unarmed innocent people. Guns aren’t a must for them, they’ll use box cutters, airplanes, belts made of dynamite, and even pressure cookers. What dedicated ‘company men’ they would make.

We got the sick folks, ones that can’t deal with life anymore and then there’s ones like this guy
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The San Bernardino shooters got their rifles from their friend but they could have bought them their selves. The husband was born and raised in the US and had every right to exercise his constitutional rights.

How would new guns laws affect all these folks? What if it was a total gun ban…turn in all firearms(I know they all wouldn‘t be turned in). How much would it help?

The good guys would sit around and reminisce, ahhh the old days. There’d be less gun accidents of course. The criminals would still have them and the jihadist would have them if they wanted them. There might be a few less suicides. The person that could pull the trigger might not have it in him to jump off the tenth floor or jump off his SeaRay’s swim platform with the anchor tied to his foot.

But how about that sick guy in the picture….I don’t see him going to the hood to score some guns…he’ll probably never be able to act on his delusional thoughts, his killing would continue to be done with a video game.

Comments/questions from Juggarnaught are telling….think about the image we have. We need to do something about that. Personally I think the standard clichés are part of it, I cringe every time I hear these things…. I’d rather be tried by 12 than carried by six, Anything worth shooting is worth shooting twice, Gun control is being able to hit your target, From my cold, dead hands….displays of intellectual deficit with images of beat up pickup trucks and mullets…..come on.

Things aren’t black/white. It is not as simple as good guys and bad guys. As gun owners we have our rights but how about everyone else. The other folks have a rights too, they used to only have to worry about bad guys, now they have to worry about all the CC permit holder that can’t hit sh-t spraying lead at some purse snatcher. Sort of like a while back when store security is chasing a shoplifter and he hops in his car to drive off and some lady in the parking lot pulls her piece and tries to shoot his tires. WTF
 
scoflaw said:
Westie, Seems like you form your opinions on what you read as opposed to real world experiences that you have encountered whether that be a Mercruiser manual or a hiking guide in bear country. Charging bear... large caliber gun or an aerosol can of repellent ? tough choice. LMFAO. Time to head outside and sample the real world.
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I have spent tons of time hiking in the back country starting at about age 12. Banff is I short drive away and I spend many weekends there and a few times on week long solo trips. I have comes across grizzlies many times and have never been killed or mauled yet.

Again read the stats bear spray is way more effective in stopping a bear attack that a gun. sounds like need to get into the real world and actually go some where that there are bears.
 
Annie Oakley made a poor decision that day and should be dealt with accordingly. Although she had good intentions, there has to be a clear message sent to other good samaritans that this was handled incorrectly.
 
You clowns can cherry pick all the articles you want concerning our right to possess firearms or tout the benefits of bear spray, or talk about how successful David was with a slingshot, etc., it doesn't make a damn bit of difference. You don't like guns....don't buy guns. You don't like knives, don't buy knives, you have a problem with semiautomatic long guns, don't buy them.......no one cares! Worry about what happens in your country and stay out of our business.
 
Westie said:
I have spent tons of time hiking in the back country starting at about age 12. Banff is I short drive away and I spend many weekends there and a few times on week long solo trips. I have comes across grizzlies many times and have never been killed or mauled yet.

Again read the stats bear spray is way more effective in stopping a bear attack that a gun. sounds like need to get into the real world and actually go some where that there are bears.
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the bear you saw was probably a mile away. Why don't you do some product testing, get closer and report back
 
what you you know about bears city boy
 
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