Ban my semi-automatic weapon--NOT LIKELY

juggernaut1 said:
This thread was started with a graph comparison of support/no support for banning the sale of Assault Weapons in your country. One the face, and even though declining support, it still suggests that there is reasonably strong support in your own country changing gun laws. I sure as hell didn't partake in the poll - in fact I doubt there were any "outsiders" taking part in the poll.

Correct me if I'm wrong but couldn't one but a gun in Indiana privately without question?

And to those that took my first post as a statement.....I guess you missed the smiley face.
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What exactly is an assault weapon and how is it different from a target or hunting rifle? How is it different from a military M15 rifle? Who coined the term? What percentage of shootings in the US involve semi-automatic rifles? How many guns used in crimes are traced back to original owners in Indiana? Find the answers and realize the issue is politicized and promoting an irrational fear.
 
How about finding the answers to your own questions and posting here.

I'm also not promoting any fear....but if that is your interpretation and perception so be it :huh:

If any fear is being promoted.....it's by a few of the posters about unsubstantiated threats or perceived threats in Australia by gun or otherwise.

I accept gun ownership is the constitutional "American Way" and have been genuinely curious about the when and where you guys and your wives carry as you will have seen from my earlier posts.

It's certainly been a "prickly" topic......and more so than I ever expected.
 
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This is a serious question. Do you all believe that the government would come door to door trying to collect your guns or high capacity magazines?




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Anyone proposing solutions to problems in other countries that they read about in the liberal bought media need to be sure they have the facts first. Then they need to understand that the society they live in and the government and laws they accept are not necessarily desirable or applicable to the people in other nations. This is equally true for Americans who project their values and lifestyle choices on those in other countries. It is not my job to provide that knowledge, however if there is anyone on this forum who genuinely wishes to know the answers to any of the questions I asked in my last post and does not have the means to get accurate answers, I would be delighted to educate you.
 
juggernaut1 said:
How about finding the answers to your own questions and posting here.

I'm also not promoting any fear....but if that is your interpretation and perception so be it :huh:

If any fear is being promoted.....it's by a few of the posters about unsubstantiated threats or perceived threats in Australia by gun or otherwise.

I accept gun ownership is the constitutional "American Way" and have been genuinely curious about the when and where you guys and your wives carry as you will have seen from my earlier posts.

It's certainly been a "prickly" topic......and more so than I ever expected.
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As to when and where do we carry? My answer is all the time and everywhere, unless prohibited ie to a school or federal building etc. I'm not paranoid, or terrified, it is my constitutional RIGHT and I will exercise it.

As to bears, a short barreled revolver in one of the following calibers WILL work very well, 500 S&W mag, 454 Casull, 445 Supermag. All are more than capable of killing even a Grizzly, but you cannot hesitate.

As to answers to the worlds' problems, I don't have blanket one size fits all answers, but I do know that disarming me and those like me is not going to lower US homicide rates at all, since none of my guns has been used in such a way and will not. Now, that said, my guns could be used in a self defense situation and prevent me or my family from becoming a crime statistic. We really need good comparison stats, you cannot lump police shootings, murders and self defense shootings into a single pile and call them 'gun violence'. That's not an apples to apples comparison. Its no more valid than saying drunk driving deaths and deaths from skidding on icy roads are homicide by vehicle, they are different.
 
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juggernaut1 said:
How about finding the answers to your own questions and posting here.

I'm also not promoting any fear....but if that is your interpretation and perception so be it :huh:

If any fear is being promoted.....it's by a few of the posters about unsubstantiated threats or perceived threats in Australia by gun or otherwise.

I accept gun ownership is the constitutional "American Way" and have been genuinely curious about the when and where you guys and your wives carry as you will have seen from my earlier posts.

It's certainly been a "prickly" topic......and more so than I ever expected.
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I believe his questions were rhetorical.

Zorba said:
This is a serious question. Do you all believe that the government would come door to door trying to collect your guns or high capacity magazines?

Yes.


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sfergson727 said:
Before obama, no.......however
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It happened under Bush during the aftermath of Katrina. In a crisis many unlawful things can happen to law abiding citizens.
 
SCORPIO said:
As to when and where do we carry? My answer is all the time and everywhere, unless prohibited ie to a school or federal building etc. I'm not paranoid, or terrified, it is my constitutional RIGHT and I will exercise it.

As to bears, a short barreled revolver in one of the following calibers WILL work very well, 500 S&W mag, 454 Casull, 445 Supermag. All are more than capable of killing even a Grizzly, but you cannot hesitate.

Nor will you get a follow up shot so you damn well better not miss.

And bears have a very sensitive sense of smell, better than dogs. They hate pepper spray and will turn away at the slightest smell of it. A direct hit isn't necessary to act as an effective deterrent.


As to answers to the worlds' problems, I don't have blanket one size fits all answers, but I do know that disarming me and those like me is not going to lower US homicide rates at all, since none of my guns has been used in such a way and will not. Now, that said, my guns could be used in a self defense situation and prevent me or my family from becoming a crime statistic. We really need good comparison stats, you cannot lump police shootings, murders and self defense shootings into a single pile and call them 'gun violence'. That's not an apples to apples comparison. Its no more valid than saying drunk driving deaths and deaths from skidding on icy roads are homicide by vehicle, they are different.
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There is now talk of holding law abiding firearm owners liable for guns which were stolen from them and later used in crimes. As if they should have known they would be stolen and were accessory to the crime.
 
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sfergson727 said:
Before obama, no.......however
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That's the easy way out. You know full well the government, whether it be a democrat or republican in office could not and would not try and take our guns.

Your not going to change anyone's minds about their stance on guns. What can be influenced is how people receive the news. There are those who post half propaganda half sensationalist links on either side of the aisle that for some reason are taken as gospel. Throw a graph in there and golly gee it must be true. Just look at the first post in This thread. GFC states that a recently released ABC/Washington post article states support for assault rifle ban loses steam. Yet the graph is CBS/NYT from 2011.

I am in full support of the second amendment. I also agree that if a person really wants a gun they are going to find a way to get it. I don't know what can be done to curb this but we can all agree that what is in place now is not working. Now don't take that as I want more controls. Just that something needs to change. I don't have the answer as to what it is.

We live in a society where 14 people are slaughtered, by terrorists no less, and the major theme of the news a week later is how big the Star Wars premier is. Until we as citizens stop focusing on how our government is going to bend us over and start looking for real solutions and doing some real deep soul searching on how we can be better citizens I'm afraid thing will head even further south.






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Thank you Zorba. That was about the best way I've ever seen it worded yet.
 
Zorba said:
This is a serious question. Do you all believe that the government would come door to door trying to collect your guns or high capacity magazines?
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They don't have to. They can just check their computers, see who has registered firearms and start there. When The Man comes knocking at your door he won't be asking if you have any firearms, he'll already have the list showing the make, model and serial number.

I'm being a bit facetious. I don't see it happening in the US. Too many of us own guns.
 
sfergson727 said:
Or the Green Bay Packers....
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but the packers are so heavy! Bear spray will keep you from accidently killing a bear that is making a false charge. And has been proven to be more effective(which I personally think has to do with how easy it is to use effectively). I have backpacked in the Sierra Mountains at least once a year for the last 15 years. Never shot at anything in self defense. My opinion is if a bear or mountain lion is attacking your camp it is already sick or enraged. If you go to a hunting shop and look at a bear target the area of a charging bear that gives you a kill shot is pretty small. From the side it is a much bigger target. As my Rotweiler Shephard 'puppies' are 99lbs and 130 lbs, any bear attacking our camp will not be charging people right away. And most just stay invisible except for the scat we see now and then with bells or whistles, and sometimes flashlights and pepper spray caps(ok I made that last part up, but it is common to encounter bear poop pretty close to camp).
My wife would never carry. She has been to the range and knows which is the dangerous end, but the best thing about her when things start going south is she follows instruction and stays out of the way. She may complain about my "tone" later, or beat me up about how I handled the situation. But it is not often, and never until the danger has passed.
i do have five years of Sil Lum Gung Fu training, but if you ever see me try to take a fish from a bear, you can bet I am out with the boys, the dogs are at home, and too much beer is involved.
 
i have had several years of martial arts and a few years of MMA training and i still wouldn't even think about taking on a bear unless i had no alternative:lol:
 
2000SR380 said:
...has been proven to be more effective(which I personally think has to do with how easy it is to use effectively). My opinion is if a bear or mountain lion is attacking your camp it is already sick or enraged. If you go to a hunting shop and look at a bear target the area of a charging bear that gives you a kill shot is pretty small. From the side it is a much bigger target.
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I agree about the size of the kill zone on a charging bear. That being said, a shoulder shot on a charging bear will stop him even though it may not kill him. All I'm interested in doing is stopping his charge. I'll worry about the kill shot after the thread is over.
 
Martial arts are great and a few of my friends are multi black belt holders and instructors. None of them stand a chance against an armed attacker from ten feet away. That's probably why most of those guys carry as well. And as to bear wrestling, I don't care who you are, you will most likely loose.

I don't think the man will come door to door, but bans on ammo, mags, and restrictions on types of guns we can get will be increasing.
 
Gofirstclass said:
I agree about the size of the kill zone on a charging bear. That being said, a shoulder shot on a charging bear will stop him even though it may not kill him. All I'm interested in doing is stopping his charge. I'll worry about the kill shot after the thread is over.
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While I agree with Bear Spray being a solid alternative, I still carry a revolver. I do not think the government should outlaw either choice. The Important thing is to have the tools you need to protect yourself, your family, and your friends. It is a little like radar and a chart plotter. Whatever you have will not do you a spec of good unless you learn how to use it
 
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