Ban my semi-automatic weapon--NOT LIKELY

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A recently released ABC/Washington Post poll show that support for a semi-automatic weapons ban is falling and support for the weapons is rising. In an article posted this afternoon http://dailycaller.com/2015/12/16/support-for-assault-weapons-ban-falls/ the results of the poll show that Americans might FINALLY be waking up to the fact that the weapon is not the problem, it's the person holding the weapon, as shown in the photo below.


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This bodes well for those of us who believe in our 2nd Amendment right to own weapons and that the gubmint should not be trying to regulate semi-automatic weapons.

This has to REALLY frustrate Obummer because he's always been quick to blame the gun and call for more gun control.

Suks to be him!
 
How many members of the media understand the difference between semi automatic and automatic?

People are being conditioned to think a semi automatic is a "machine gun".

Does the general public understand that those guns that we associate with the image of the machine gun from the gangster movies are in fact are illegal under current laws for the general public to own? The only way a citizen can own that type of gun is with specific exceptions. Last time I heard, if you want a permit to own an automatic weapon, the sheriff in your county had to approve. That may be dated, someone might have more current knowledge.

The people who commit these crimes are not worried about breaking a law. Adding more laws does not address the problem.
 
sfergson727 said:
Dude, Australia's population is less than Canada.....really? I don't think you can compare rates given that the US has about 335 million people, Australia has what, about 23 Million? With higher population numbers, there are more chances for crazy individuals who go out and create mayhem.
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Providing that the definition of 'gun deaths' is the same why couldn't you compare the 'rate', it's 'rate per 100,000'.

Or are you saying the larger the population the better the chance an individual would be crazy. If I apply your theory....my wife says I'm crazy but if I move to Australia there's a chance she might be wrong.:smt043
 
FootballFan said:
How many members of the media understand the difference between semi automatic and automatic?

People are being conditioned to think a semi automatic is a "machine gun".

Does the general public understand that those guns that we associate with the image of the machine gun from the gangster movies are in fact are illegal under current laws for the general public to own? The only way a citizen can own that type of gun is with specific exceptions. Last time I heard, if you want a permit to own an automatic weapon, the sheriff in your county had to approve. That may be dated, someone might have more current knowledge.

The people who commit these crimes are not worried about breaking a law. Adding more laws does not address the problem.
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I've had that same thought when it comes to the term 'arsenal'. It's used correctly by the media but it's taken on a new bad connotation....arsenal=bad. The San Bernardino couple had 4 guns and 6,000 rounds, the media called it a 'huge' and 'massive' arsenal. Given their end purpose maybe but otherwise as target shooters I wouldn't call it massive.
 
sfergson727 said:
Dude, Australia's population is less than Canada.....really? I don't think you can compare rates given that the US has about 335 million people, Australia has what, about 23 Million? With higher population numbers, there are more chances for crazy individuals who go out and create mayhem.
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So your agreeing with me. You guys love shooting each other - no argument there.
 
sfergson727 said:
Yes to the second theory.

Think about this, is it more of a task to disarm a nation with 25 million or a nation with 335 million? Guns are here, they aren't going anywhere, so the best advice I can give is deal with it. You are not going to be shot by a law abiding citizen. If someone is going to break the law, commit crimes, they are going to do it whether guns are banned or not. They'll use a knife, they'll use a bat, heck, they'll use a gun which they obtained illegally (in the case of a gun ban). So.........where is there any possible benefit from banning guns?
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What rubbish - look at the above stats within your own country and in Australia's. Did Australia's population reduce by 1/4 quarter to get gun death down to a quarter of what they were - of course it didn't. So there goes that theory. And I'm sure America's population didn't drop to get gun deaths down either before it plateaued either. There are other factors at play, primarily attitudes - which can only be shaped by decent laws and a decent law enforcement force.
 
Yep that's it.

Blind Freddy can see that strict laws in one state are not going to work if they are relaxed in the rest of the country........ or are you perplexed by that?
 
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It has never been about: "You guys like killing each other". That presumes two things: 1) we are a nation of psychopaths 2) something simple can be done about it.

Guns, trucks and cars (all dangerous in the wrong hands) are part of the American way. Right or wrong it is part of America and a right enshrined by the guys who founded this great country so that we wouldn't turn into one of the countries that so many Americans immigrated from. So when the haters show up with their views of becoming Australia or the UK (Hillary and Obama), most find it hollow rhetoric backed up with misguided politics.

I grew up with guns. I like guns and I know how to use them properly. It seems that when ISIS shows up, they bring their own "machine guns" regardless of what the gun laws are. Their best venue is the senseless slaughter of unarmed innocents. No one should die that way.

We aren't psychopaths and it is not a simple problem when the people causing death and destruction are driven by religion, greed, hatred and mental illness.

JD
 
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Scott - judging by your dismissive nature, clearly you have an agenda to push and I get that.

You don't want to see solution but only problems.

I would suggest the biggest problem in your country is lack of funding for an "effective" law enforcement agency and moreover laws that are not uniform throughout the nation. You say you have law enforcement but in reality you don't - the evidence is clear. The problems in the US are no more insurmountable, relatively speaking, than any other country faces.

Tell me this - if gun deaths per capita rivalled Australia's would your attitude to gun ownership be different?
 
OK HOLD on guys! I have to start the Honda jenny so I can cook the popcorn and run the fridge. OK Done Beer is cool and I'm ready.


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Criminals are always going to end up with guns regardless of the gun laws I accept that. I'm also not necessarily saying that imposing more restrictive gun ownership is the answer either. My solution is changing attitudes by effective law enforcement of uniform laws throughout the country - but as suggested above, the US Government's budget probably doesn't allow that to happen - it's been funding wars, GFC issues and other problems in the last decade. And at the end of the day the above graph shows that gun deaths per capita in the US has been relatively stable over recent times - so why throw more money into enforcement that it doesn't have.
 
So I cranked up the popcorn maker and read through this thread. While it may be intended as a metaphor but the statement "You guys like killing each other" is wrong and quite frankly I take offence to it. As Playdate does, I too have guns, I like my guns, I don't have assault rifles just hunting rifles. Mexico has the strongest gun laws in the northern hemisphere and look at what they have going on. Almost no one can legally buy a gun in Mexico. Its just wrong, we don't like killing each other!
 
sfergson727 said:
Probably not, I do not see an issue with guns being owned by a law abiding citizen. There are laws in place for gun purchases, yet criminals still end up with them, so I fail to see how more laws can make any difference other than make it more difficult for law abiding folks to protect themselves.
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Scott I'll disagree with this statement from 2 experiences I've had.

2 years ago I purchased a S&W M&P 9mm 16+1 mag went thru a gun shop waited the 7 days went in to pick it up the owner told me the city hadn't done the check yet, he then said here's your gun. There are numerous cities in our state that ignore gun checks by default after the 7 day wait period the gun is yours.

I have a certifiable by several shrinks bipolar , Schizophrenia sister in law who has had a carry permit & does carry 24x7, she has been reported several times to authorities they won't do a thing till it's to late.

I don't know the answer but we do have a problem in this country since this thread was started 12 hours ago there have been on average 45 gun deaths that's more than auto deaths.
 
Take out Chicago, New York City, and LA, and our murder rate is very low. Incidentally these cities have some of the toughest gun laws in the country.

Also, I think Australia probably doesn't have the border control problem like the US.
 
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