Ban my semi-automatic weapon--NOT LIKELY

sfergson727 said:
The laws are in place that would prevent both of the circumstances you lay out, but our problem we do have here is apathy. If the vendors don't follow the laws, and the police don't enforce the laws....well, that is a problem and needs to be fixed, I don't argue that point.

It irks me to no end about how we came together as a nation during a crisis (9/11) and now find ourselves more divided and apathetic than ever as a society. As a commercial pilot, I see the apathy every day, and truthfully, it pisses me off.
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Me too what's the point if we can't even talk civilly to each other as a society how can anything ever get solved, our politics have become more of a sport than leaders who want to tackle a problem, what is so hard about sitting down to hammer out real solutions. They've been elected to solve problems not give 20 second sound bites & fly off for fund raisers.

I was just looking for a list on the web that showed which cities in our state rarely do background checks when I find it I'll post it. Their suppose to protect us, you'd think they wouldn't want certifiable nuts in their own cities carrying it's their lives on the line when they respond to a shooting.

I'm not for new laws but dam they need to enforce what is on the books not throw darts at which ones to enforce.

One new law I like is registering drones over 9 ounces, as a pilot you know what a laser does last week at SeaTac a drone had a laser mounted on it blinded 3 pilots during landing. They searched for several hours without luck as you know they can't send up helicopters to search for lasers.
 
juggernaut1 said:
Criminals are always going to end up with guns regardless of the gun laws I accept that. I'm also not necessarily saying that imposing more restrictive gun ownership is the answer either. My solution is changing attitudes by effective law enforcement of uniform laws throughout the country - but as suggested above, the US Government's budget probably doesn't allow that to happen - it's been funding wars, GFC issues and other problems in the last decade. And at the end of the day the above graph shows that gun deaths per capita in the US has been relatively stable over recent times - so why throw more money into enforcement that it doesn't have.
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You can't have a cop on every corner...That also ties into violations of our freedoms...We aren't Russia....Hell, Even our law enforcement officials are telling us to Ammo up and take arms. Even if you have a cop on every corner, you can't protect everyone from everything.
I feel bad for you guys in Australia, can't imagine what it must feel like to not be able to defend your person, home, family from people, and governments that wish to do you harm.

Our governments budget is to busy trying to save the earth by investigating climate change anyway....Meanwhile its been colder in AZ than anywhere else in the country....Global warming, what a bunch of RUBISH!
 
prohibition didn't solve any problems either. just created more.

i don't think immigration is causing our gun violence issue (although i'm not saying to open our borders). most of the gun deaths are either domestic violence, gang related, or inner city slugfests. i think the bigger problem is lack of respect and a low value of life by many today, coupled with the rampant drug use where people will kill to get another fix...... it has gotten to be too much of the ME society and screw everyone else type of attitude.
 
boatman37 said:
i don't think immigration is causing our gun violence issue (although i'm not saying to open our borders). most of the gun deaths are either domestic violence, gang related, or inner city slugfests. i think the bigger problem is lack of respect and a low value of life by many today, coupled with the rampant drug use where people will kill to get another fix...... it has gotten to be too much of the ME society and screw everyone else type of attitude.
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Well said. And it feels very hopeless at times, because it takes a disproportionately large number of people setting good examples privately and publicly to influence others to follow suit.
 
Juggernaut, I am not going to get into the debate you and Scott are having but I would like to ask you a hypothetical question.....

If criminals, using the standard definition of "people who don't obey the law", are already disobeying the law, how is it that you propose to stop the gun crime rate in the US. Murder is already illegal and that hasn't stopped them from doing it. Armed robbery is already illegal and hasn't stopped them from doing it. Using a gun in the commission of any crime is already illegal but hasn't stopped them from doing it.

So what are your specific suggestions on how we an reduce our gun violence?
 
Hmmm ...government and media selling fear and encouraging hate for decades... check
Uumm ... Radicalized Muslim extremists trying to bring about war between East an West ... check
and then? Two diametrically opposed groups of Government ... check
and then? Two diametrically opposed sets of "facts" ... check
Nobody is going to change anybody's opinion on this unless you have several million dollars and your own media outlet.
I think there is room for better enforcement, and stricter requirements. The whole simi-automatic, "assault weapon", 'extended magazine' thing is a placebo for people who have never stepped onto a shooting range. My S&W 357Mag revolver holds seven cartridges. It is my go-to for home defense, remote anchorages, and Backpacking. 21 shots in less tan two minutes. And that is for me. With a revolver. I see a gun range maybe 3-4 times year and might shoot at some cans or bottles in between. Our two recent SoCal Terrorists went into a room with 75 unarmed people and began blasting away. They had "body armor", "assault rifles" and both carried simi-automatic pistols. They managed to kill 14 (and wound 17) of 75 sitting ducks at a party. That is a total of 31 unarmed party goers hit. Not to make light of such a tragic situation, but are you kidding me?
I am a card carrying Liberal, but I am also a big advocate of the 2nd Amendment. Not that Terrorist Suspects on the No-Fly list, or Schizophrenic Sisters should be able to legally buy and carry guns. Or convicted felons, or Politicians, or anybody "on the spectrum". I am not one to wait around for help. I am the one people usually look to for help. You know, 'when seconds count and the police are minutes away'.
 
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Gofirstclass said:
Juggernaut, I am not going to get into the debate you and Scott are having but I would like to ask you a hypothetical question.....

If criminals, using the standard definition of "people who don't obey the law", are already disobeying the law, how is it that you propose to stop the gun crime rate in the US. Murder is already illegal and that hasn't stopped them from doing it. Armed robbery is already illegal and hasn't stopped them from doing it. Using a gun in the commission of any crime is already illegal but hasn't stopped them from doing it.

So what are your specific suggestions on how we an reduce our gun violence?
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I'll add on to GFC's comment and state that 90%+ ofthe criminals using the firearms in the commission of their crimes have already been disqualified by their past criminal convictions from buying a firearm legally. They are obtaining their firearms through illegal means.
 
sfergson727 said:
I do agree that people need to respect law officers, and politicians need to get out of the way and let them do their jobs. There is a definite "lack of respect" attitude taking over the nation as of late.

Out of curiosity, in looking at into your laws in Australia, it appears you can own a semi-automatic handgun, if you have a permit to do so....is that correct, or are guns banned completely?
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In all honesty I'm not sure of the handgun laws here. I don't even know anyone with one to ask. I only know 4 people with guns and they are all rifles or shotguns. One is a friend on a farm, two are members of a gun club and leave the guns at the club and one is my brother (a state champion in his day) which is occasionally contracted by farmers to reduce the number of wild animals eating crops and destroying fences. None of the guns they own are are automatic, semi or pump.
 
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BlewByYou88 said:
I feel bad for you guys in Australia, can't imagine what it must feel like to not be able to defend your person, home, family from people, and governments that wish to do you harm.
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This is the thing....we don't need to defend ourselves with guns....there is actually no need - look at the deaths by guns graph I previously posted. Hold ups are rarely with guns and home invasions are rarely with guns. There really is no need to feel bad for us. I could walk down any street in the city I live in without fear.

There are only something like 800,000 registered gun owners in Australia.
 
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Gofirstclass said:
So what are your specific suggestions on how we an reduce our gun violence?
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I'll answer with this - look at the graph I previously posted and look at the substantial reduction in gun deaths in your country from 16 to 10 per 100,000 over the period 1993 to 2000. Can you tell me what occurred in your country that contributed to that decline? Because whatever that was worked. Something then changed in 2000 whereby it plateaued off.

I quick google revealed the following measures were introduced into your country around that time being the Crime Control Act introduced in 1990 followed by the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act and also the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act (referred to as Assault Weapons Ban) which were both introduced in 1994.

When Australia's gun laws were tightened (and enforced) there was also a gun buyback scheme whereby the government paid a fixed price for each gun handed in. I recently saw an article the other day suggesting the government should do another buyback.
 
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Ban semi auto, good luck with that! Our government can't even ban full autos! Even when they do they didn't ban the kits to change a gun from semi to full. Hell my cat can do that change in her sleep.

My Love of guns. Yea I have a love of guns. Mostly old Colts and Springfields. Just like my love of old boats or old SeaRays. My boat can kill someone just as well as my Colt or Sig. IF it's handled improperly my boat can kill just as easy.
 
dwna, Let me correct you on one thing. The parts necessary to legally convert a semi-auto to a full auto weapon are covered under the same law that applies to fully automatic weapons, silencers, etc. It requires completion of a federal form, payment of the $200 tax and approval from the Feds. Here's a link to the Wikiipedia site that explains it....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Firearms_Act

Some semi-auto handguns and rifles can be converted by altering the existing parts. Ain't legal without the tax and stamp, but can be done.
 
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For the record, France has very strict gun laws. 130 dead/352 injured November 13-14 2015. The type of rifles used are illegal in most of the EU.
 
Myself, I don't carry when I go out drinking, ALL other times I do carry. I have had a permit since I was 21yo. Back then I transported firearms to and from my fathers smithy shop to the gun shop. Now there is always one with me, sometimes concealed sometimes open.

ive never needed the gun, I hope I never do.
 
Do those deaths include police killing criminals?

I would like a statistic. Gun death of innocent person per 100,000. I could really give a damn if a criminal kills another criminal, police kill a criminal or a potential victim kills a criminal.
 
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