Ban my semi-automatic weapon--NOT LIKELY

juggernaut1 said:
Plenty of stats here - but I haven't checked to so whether it contains the particular stat you want.

http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/fv9311.pdf

I did some digging around for the reason in the reduction of deaths per capital between 1993 and 2000 and found this paper as an example - I haven't read it in any great detail due to its size.

http://pricetheory.uchicago.edu/levitt/Papers/LevittUnderstandingWhyCrime2004.pdf
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Nothing on gun violence coming out of Chicago (ODumbo's home city) is valid. It has the highest rate of gun violence in the country, mostly gang related. Not sure how many Crips and Bloods are killing each other in Australia...
 
juggernaut1 said:
Out of curiosity on what occasions do you guys carry guns or do you always carry?
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I very seldom carry around town. If we take a road trip out of town I usually put one in the car. When we go to AZ in the winter months I have one down there that I carry in the car almost all the time.

BTW, I'm a retired cop and have a permit that allows me to legally carry in any state.

Given the increase in terrorist activities in our country I may rethink carrying around town if we're heading to places where we might be a part of a large crowd.

May I suggest something to read? It's written by a retired military colonel and is probably the most clear piece I've read about the types of people around.

http://www.mwkworks.com/onsheepwolvesandsheepdogs.html

After you read it, see what category you fall into, and guess what category I fall into.
 
juggernaut1 said:
Out of curiosity on what occasions do you guys carry guns or do you always carry?
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24/7. No need to go to the post office, you can schedule a pickup online. In Indiana, No Guns signs do not carry the force of law.

If you have the option to carry, train and carry. When seconds count, the police are minutes away. Knowing Murphy's law, since I carry I'll never need it. The moment I don't would be the time I need it.
 
Gofirstclass said:
May I suggest something to read? It's written by a retired military colonel and is probably the most clear piece I've read about the types of people around.

http://www.mwkworks.com/onsheepwolvesandsheepdogs.html

After you read it, see what category you fall into, and guess what category I fall into.
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Thanks and I did read it.

I'm a sheepdog in the sense that I protect my family (just like you I suspect) - it's just that the way we do it might be different due to the nature of our environment - you have more wolves. A wolf is going to have me and/or my family regardless of the deterrent I offer or don't offer in the case I am not with them. A sheep dog doesn't offer protection against a wolf, but is only a deterrent. If the deterrent is sufficient, the wolf will go to the next flock.
 
juggernaut1 said:
Out of curiosity on what occasions do you guys carry guns or do you always carry?
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I was backpacking out of Blue Canyon early one year. Work interfering with my fun. Some large critter (probably a 'cat') stocked me for five switch backs staying just out of site but moving bushes and knocking the occasional rock down the hill. Spooked me pretty good. Now I carry when I go off grid. Boating,backpacking,whatever. I also have two big Rottweiler/Shepards, so I sleep pretty good In my tent, and can leave the sliding hatch unlocked on my boat. If you can get past my dogs without dying of lead poisoning you can have anything you want.
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i am also former law enforcement. i must admit i hardly ever carry anymore and hadn't for a couple of years until the San Bernardino incident. i carried a couple of times since then. it really depends on where i'm going, what part of town, and what i will be doing. my wife doesn't want anything to do with guns. when we first got together over 20 years ago she was scared just seeing one. well after having me and 3 sons hunting for years, the oldest a police officer, and the other two and our daughter all having carry permits, she kinda has gotten use to it:smt043
 
Juggernaught I think you have the wrong impression of us here in the states. Even in that link about the lever action shotgun the reporter used the phrase 'like in the wild west'. We don't have to duck lead whistling through the air when we leave our homes. That first graph you posted is being misunderstood, it's all gun related deaths, not murders. The majority of those deaths are suicides, sounds bad doesn't it, but our suicide rate is not much different than yours.

Really, because our murder rate is 4-5 and some other country’s rate is 1-2 per 100,000 does that justify referring to the US as the ‘wild wild west’. Who truly fuels that perception? Can’t help but wonder why. In my eyes both rates are pretty good, .000045 vs. .000015, yes one rate is 3 times the other but both are small.

Some of you are talking ‘gun deaths’ others are ‘talking gun crime’ and others are talking murders…not the same. Some are talking ‘gun deaths’ and are answered with ‘bad guys will always get guns’….certainly related but entirely different because the majority of ‘gun deaths’ in the US involve no ‘bad guys’.
 
Hi Woody - yes I realise it's all gun deaths, including suicides, etc.

Yes perhaps other posters are misunderstanding the graphs. Firearm suicides in Australia reduced when the gun laws were tightened. However, they just found alternative means to commit suicide hence our rate may be similar as you say. Stats show only 7% of suicides are by firearms in 2005 compared to 22% in 1992 before the laws were tightened. Suicide is a problem in this country - more people die from suicide in Australia than car accidents. Unfortunately, I've known two people to have done so - neither by gun. A further women jumped down the stair well void from the top floor in the building I work in.

It's great to hear you don't lead whistling past your head. I'd love to come to the US one day - my friends rave about it, particularly the great service you guys have over there. I've just got to convince the missus to get back on a plane since September 11 :smt100.
 
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juggernaut1 said:
This is the thing....we don't need to defend ourselves with guns....there is actually no need - look at the deaths by guns graph I previously posted. Hold ups are rarely with guns and home invasions are rarely with guns. There really is no need to feel bad for us. I could walk down any street in the city I live in without fear.

There are only something like 800,000 registered gun owners in Australia.
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I googled Perth and found some real cautions for after dark so I have to ask you....would you have the same confidence in the night as you would during the day? Does this sound accurate, "If you're looking to get drunk, get into a fight and end up in a coma in hospital, or looking to get stabbed, then Northbridge is the place to go. During the day, yes, its perfectly fine, and there are some half-decent restaurants and cafes for lunch.However, after dark, its down right dangerous. Every week in the news there's another story of yet another person getting bashed in Northbridge, of fights and drunken brawls and anti-social behaviour. Its had a face-lift recently, and things are looking better than they once were, but nonetheless, as a six-foot tall, 20 year old man, I don't feel safe walking around Northbridge after dark, even in a large group of friends. In short, there are better and safer places to go for a night out.'
 
Northbridge is the night club/bar/pub/restaurant/cafe centre of Perth - so you are going to have a mix of alcohol and probably drugs.

Regardless, I've been there plenty of times even with my mother, brother and sisters for dinner at restaurants.

The local Perth Australian Tax Office is in Northbridge - I used to work there and go out afterwards for drinks.

I've never personally had an issue in Northbridge.
 
My wife does not carry. She has to go to training every year that teaches her how to do a takedown if attacked. She is a school teacher.

The lady that works for me, she carries everywhere. She has a 40cal Sig. She and I go to the range twice a month and go to the simulator every six months.
 
juggernaut1 said:
Wow you guys love killing each other. :grin:
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It is absurd to compare the two countries. Australia is a very mono-racial mono-ethnic and relatively non-industrialized country. Australia's GDP is about 8% that of the USA and I believe it is over 90% Caucasian with the remaining 10% made up of mostly Asians. The US is a melting pot of religion, race and ethnicities. It is well known that diverse, highly industrialized nations have higher murder rate than others. Yes guns can be used to kill as can other weapons. So when you ask your question if you are referring to our forum members the answer is no, if you are referring to impoverished inner city gang members you might get a different answer.
 
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Juggernaught,

I don't believe it was the legislation that you propose reduced gun deaths in the US. If this was the fact it would not explain the recent uptick in violence seen in both countries over the past few years. During the 90's we saw other factors including:
1. Aging population in the US
2. Stricter policing (ie the broken windows policy enacted by Rudy Giulianai and his police chief) including three strikes policies where career criminals where kept in jail permanently. A lot of these policies where in response to the increasing violence seen with Crack addiction. While it doesn't really make the news, alot of deaths in the US are gang violence related. It is not the cops shooting people, that is rare.

The only positive affect of gun control that I have seen is does reduce the suicide by firearm rate.

PS The only gun I own is a flare gun
 
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juggernaut1 said:
it's just that the way we do it might be different due to the nature of our environment - you have more wolves. A wolf is going to have me and/or my family regardless of the deterrent I offer or don't offer in the case I am not with them. A sheep dog doesn't offer protection against a wolf, but is only a deterrent. If the deterrent is sufficient, the wolf will go to the next flock.
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Jugg, I think this is where you and I are vastly different If I perceive a threat to myself or my family I a going to become an example of Jekyll/Hyde. I'm going to change from the nice, kindly, old grandfather into the wildest, fang baring, snarling sheep dog you could ever imagine. You see, I have already made the decision that I refuse to be a victim. I'm not going to let some drug induced gang banger harm me or my family....ever. I've already "been there, done that" in surviving a shooting situation so I know I won't have to stop and consider if I am capable of pulling the trigger to defend myself. I've also already decided that the this old sheep dog is going to get the wolf, not the other way around.
 
juggernaut1 said:
Wow you guys love killing each other. :grin:
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What an inane unproven statement. Most killings are either number one suicides or number two by CRIMINALS. Just how many criminals do you know who by a gun and have a background check? I would say you might want to get some Listerine and see if you can remove the smell of Kiwi from your breath. It is bad enough that we have no actual News agencies, ( just brainwashing propaganda mills) but we do not need the uninformed and misinformed spreading rumors and hear say.

More folks have been killed by hammers then rifles. So just who are the "you guys" you are fantasizing about? Not the typical law abiding citizen, but then again Australia raises a lot of sheep, so maybe most of you have become sheople raising sheep. Baa-Baaa the cliff is near.
 
I don't know where some of you live that you can buy guns without background checks, but in PA every gun bought from a dealer requires an instant background check. You are either approved or denied on the spot, no waiting period. Transfers between private sellers require a check if gun is a handgun. Not currently required on private transfers of long guns, but is have no problem if a check were required there either.
 
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