School Shooting

MonacoMike said:
My heart, thoughts and prayers go out to all involved.

the shooter may just be "crazy" as we do not have facilities for mentally ill any more. We just put them in our communities. How can one be anymore mentally ill than this?

God help us all,

MM
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Seems he was a mental basket case...

MM
 
Not to be corny but..... OUR kids are raised with values. These values come from family time. Some of the best, most intense family time comes while on the boat. Boating is not just a bragging or relaxing sport. It brings people and families together.
Values such as morals, ethics, love, appreciation for life, money and being content are all being lost. THAT is WHY this has happened. Not because of gun control, mental illness or the lack of a school being locked.
 
LTD.330 said:
I too am a fan of James Yeager. It's all about mindset.

Here is James' response to yesterday's events. Hopefully those of you with concealed carry licenses who don't carry all of the time take the following to heart.

If you are easily offended, you should probably skip this video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=prS_QpGIB8Q&list=UUJimfyIOFM3Yaot_V8bFLPQ&index=1
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Pete, let me preface my comments about the video with a bit of bio about myself. I'm not a pu$$y, I'm a retired cop, firearms instructor, armorer, hostage negotiator, taught many different firearms and officer survival courses for the WA State Criminal Justice Training Commission, been through Masaad Ayoob's schools, Lethal Force Institute schools, several FBI schools and have been in one shootout. ( I won! )

With that being said, I think your guy made a fool of himself. His message was good, but the unprofessional way he presented himself and his message detracted seriously from what he had to say. As I said, I'm not a pu$$y, but the long string of profanity he used throughout the video made him look and sound like some dimwit redneck.

He is part of the reason why many people view gun owners in such a negative light. Sorry, but that's just my opinion.
 
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Gofirstclass said:
Pete, let me preface my comments about the video with a bit of bio about myself. I'm not a pu$$y, I'm a retired cop, firearms instructor, armorer, hostage negotiator, taught many different firearms and officer survival courses for the WA State Criminal Justice Training Commission, been through Masaad Ayoob's schools, Lethal Force Institute schools, several FBI schools and have been in one shootout. ( I won! )

With that being said, I think your guy made a fool of himself. His message was good, but the unprofessional way he presented himself and his message detracted seriously from what he had to say. As I said, I'm not a pu$$y, but the long string of profanity he used throughout the video made him look and sound like some dimwit redneck.

He is part of the reason why many people view gun owners in such a negative light. Sorry, but that's just my opinion.
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Well we agree with you GoFirstClass, his video was informative, but unprofessional and did show gun owners in a negative light. Plus we are not pu$$ies either. At one point in our lives we even owned a large laundromat right in the middle of the "hood"! Both business owners either side of ours were killed (drug vendetta attacks). We never carried a gun although we had the odd scrape. But funnily enough, most folk in the "hood " were so appreciative that we had invested in their community they actually "took care and looked out for" the "couple with the funny accent", when they were out of prision that is:) One of my saddest recollections was the day an african american customer (most were) asked me if I would mind talking to his wife...I replied no what did she need? He replied, well it's just that she's never had a conversation with a "white lady" before...she was in her late 70's! What does that say about our society?
 
Gofirstclass said:
Pete, let me preface my comments about the video with a bit of bio about myself. I'm not a pu$$y, I'm a retired cop, firearms instructor, armorer, hostage negotiator, taught many different firearms and officer survival courses for the WA State Criminal Justice Training Commission, been through Masaad Ayoob's schools, Lethal Force Institute schools, several FBI schools and have been in one shootout. ( I won! )

With that being said, I think your guy made a fool of himself. His message was good, but the unprofessional way he presented himself and his message detracted seriously from what he had to say. As I said, I'm not a pu$$y, but the long string of profanity he used throughout the video made him look and sound like some dimwit redneck.

He is part of the reason why many people view gun owners in such a negative light. Sorry, but that's just my opinion.
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You make valid points, Yeager's videos are definitely a little rough around the edges. What I think is important is the message he is communicating and not so much the how he is communicating the message.

I surely wasn't trying to imply anyone was a pu$$y. If it was taken that way I sincerely apologize. My intent was to encourage peeps who have a concealed carry license to always carry their gun.
 
Pete, I didn't think you were trying to label me as a pu$$y, so no offense taken. I would think the guy in the video would realize that his vid would be viewed by people at all different income levels, professional as well as non, and he should learn that his vids will have a much greater impact if they're professionally done. I've heard (and used) every profane word he used in the video so my ears were not burned by the language.

I just think his message would be much more better received if the viewer didn't have the feeling he was dealing with a low class gun nut who couldn't put a few sentences together without resorting to profanity.

We are judged by other on how we speak, how we write, and how we look. Was I shocked? No. Was I disappointed that he took the "low road" rather than the "high road"? Absolutely.
 
sfergson727 said:
On facebook I saw a message where a child in prayer asked why God would allow such a terrible thing to occur in school, and the response was God is not allowed in School. Corney, yes. But it did get me thinking, what values are we teaching our children these days? If morality was focused on and less effort was spend on banning God from our public spaces, would there perhaps be more instruction given in regards to respect for life and even one another? Food for thought......
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Amen Brother!


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Gofirstclass said:
Pete, I didn't think you were trying to label me as a pu$$y, so no offense taken. I would think the guy in the video would realize that his vid would be viewed by people at all different income levels, professional as well as non, and he should learn that his vids will have a much greater impact if they're professionally done. I've heard (and used) every profane word he used in the video so my ears were not burned by the language.

I just think his message would be much more better received if the viewer didn't have the feeling he was dealing with a low class gun nut who couldn't put a few sentences together without resorting to profanity.

We are judged by other on how we speak, how we write, and how we look. Was I shocked? No. Was I disappointed that he took the "low road" rather than the "high road"? Absolutely.
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James is an outstanding trainer and he is a little over the top sometimes but his Knowledge is vast in the protection and shooting arena.
 
Can't figure out why somebody would go out and shoot people that had nothing to do with why they are so Miserable!! Seems to happen more this time of the year.
 
MonacoMike said:
A little different take on this type of situation. We must help these parents to protect ourselves so we don't have to protect ourselves with firearms as often.

http://gawker.com/5968818/i-am-adam-lanzas-mother

MM
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How true, can you imagine what it must be like to have to deal daily with someone who has these mental issues and needs real professional help not just put in a jail to rot. It must be just terrible for the parents and the case you quote is a single mother! Goodness knows how she's survived with it so far..... I really feel for her, just an awful plight to be in. This is the other side of the coin.
 
I worry every day, you see my wife does deal with these folks every day. This year she was required to take a take down class for one of her students. So far the student has bit her, pulled her earrings out, groped her...the list goes on. She takes it all in stride and understands these kids needs, me, I just worry! The officer at the school is one of my best friends and I know he's there for her but he's the only one there I trust. The admin is worthless, over paid chair cushions. Before my youngest was born she had a student threaten to cut the baby out of her, and brought the knife to do it. That administrator did nothing until I stepped in and had her press charges. She works with these kids every day, when parents need help and ask her for it, she can usually find it. Some, not all, parents use the school system as their babysitting service, they do not give support and they are no help when it comes to discipline. The boat and wine relieve her stress and I keep both ready for her at all times. Do we need to support the parents of these kids, hell yes! But let's not forget to support all of those who work with these folks day in and day out. With this post I'm not looking for pity for my wife, just understanding and a chance for me to vent some.
 
As a P.S. to my post. My wife doesn't just deal with one child, she deals with ten children and she loves them all as they are her students, and I love her
 
dwna1a said:
I worry every day, you see my wife does deal with these folks every day. This year she was required to take a take down class for one of her students. So far the student has bit her, pulled her earrings out, groped her...the list goes on. She takes it all in stride and understands these kids needs, me, I just worry! The officer at the school is one of my best friends and I know he's there for her but he's the only one there I trust. The admin is worthless, over paid chair cushions. Before my youngest was born she had a student threaten to cut the baby out of her, and brought the knife to do it. That administrator did nothing until I stepped in and had her press charges. She works with these kids every day, when parents need help and ask her for it, she can usually find it. Some, not all, parents use the school system as their babysitting service, they do not give support and they are no help when it comes to discipline. The boat and wine relieve her stress and I keep both ready for her at all times. Do we need to support the parents of these kids, hell yes! But let's not forget to support all of those who work with these folks day in and day out. With this post I'm not looking for pity for my wife, just understanding and a chance for me to vent some.
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Wow... if your wife is in JCC, our wives might know each other. My wife was a teacher (math) up at a high school here up until last year. She had a kid with documented Asberger's syndrome in her class and he went and told his "special needs" teacher, in detail, how he was going to come in and kill my wife. They told my wife he was having issues and then a week later the kid gets away from his handler and ends up in her room and the office calls her room and tells her to tell everyone she has a meeting and get out immediately... only then did she find out this kid was wanting to kill her. I had to get a lawyer involved to get this guy out of the school because the administration said he "had rights to a normal education." It was unbelievable how bad the JCC school admin handled this. She left... I worry all the time this guy is going to show up at the house now.

The problem isn't guns. It's more the "Forrest Gump" problem where parents are screaming that they want their kid, with known mental health issues, to be integrated with "normal kids." Although the movie had a happy ending, the real life Forrrest Gump grows up and goes to mall and shoots it up. I read that article about the mother... but I have to wonder how much she screamed to NOT have her child's problems addressed early on because she wanted him to be "normal."

JCC is going to have a bad story someday, and IMO, they should be charged with negligence WHEN (not IF) it happens.

Teaching in this day is not worth it. Parents need to recognize these problems and not demand their child be considered "normal" when they are not. I would bet a real investigation will reveal years of this kid having abnormal behavior and the parents and school officials turning their head and whisking him out the door to "normal society." But lets put a gun ban in place.... that way when the kid shows up that threatened my wife's life, he'll be the only one armed.

My 2 cents from first hand experience.
 
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Four Suns said:
The problem isn't guns. It's more the "Forrest Gump" problem where parents are screaming that they want their kid, with known mental health issues, to be integrated with "normal kids." Although the movie had a happy ending, the real life Forrrest Gump grows up and goes to mall and shoots it up. I read that article about the mother... but I have to wonder how much she screamed to NOT have her child's problems addressed early on because she wanted him to be "normal."


My 2 cents from first hand experience.
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Your contributions are missed when you are away. This makes two prolific points today. Thanks, MM
 
Welcome back Four Suns.

I couldn't be a teacher these days. I'm not a coddler and would have a hard time keeping my slapping some unruly kid upside the face when he came after me. I'd be in the principal's office on a daily basis.

Funny story about one of those 'troubled kids'. In the 80's when I was a cop I taught a "Law Enforcement" class at two junior highs in town. The class was supposed to be one for kids who had a interest in going into law enforcement, but it ended up being a place where the schools could park their troublemakers in the room for an hour. I taught the class every day in uniform.

One spoiled brat who I always had trouble keeping under control decided he'd do something really dumb one day. The school had those desks where the students slid their books in from the rear, not the kind where the desk top lifted up. Well this kid, who sat in the back row, had ripped up a bunch of paper and pushed it into the place where the books went. Then he was lighting matches and tossing them into the hole where the paper was. Needless to say the paper caught on fire and he was trying to put it out with his hands.

When the other kids around him started laughing at him I went back there to see what the commotion was. When I saw the flames I grabbed a fire extinguisher and put out the fire. Then I popped the kid up against the wall to pat him down. I found his matches and a lighter (which were prohibited in school) and a baggie of pot. I confiscated those, slapped the cuffs on him and arrested him for first degree arson (a very serious felony). You could have heard a pin drop.

I marched him down to the principal's office and handcuffed him to a chair and told them to keep track of him until I finished the class. The wimpy arse principal was yelling at me saying "You can't do that, this is a school." I left the kid there and went back to the class, returning to the principal's office after the class. I marched the kid through the school at class change time so all the kids could see him (a perp walk???) and put him in the cop car.

When all the dust settled, the kid pleaded guilty to a reduced arson charge and possession of the pot. I kind of kept an eye on him as he want through school and within a couple of years he found his way into prison. A fitting end to his school career.
 
Sounds like the school district here. They believe the school admin has higher authority than the law....
 
I would not be a teacher for all the tea in China! My daughter-in-law is a special ed teacher and the tales she tells are just horrific. Like somone else said, many parents, but not all, just use schools as a babysitting service. If folk don't want to take the full reponsibility of bringing children up properly...don't have 'em and don't expect the government and schools to do your job for you. We have a general lack of morals, discipline and ethics all around in my opinion. Bring back the days when a policeman could clip mischevious children behind the ears for bad behaviour and then their parents would tell him/her to do it again for good measure:) The good old days! Nowadays everyone is afraid if being sued. Teachers can't even disipline bad students and often fear for their safety. When one hears what some of these children, adolescents get up to today .....God help us all!
 
MonacoMike said:
A little different take on this type of situation. We must help these parents to protect ourselves so we don't have to protect ourselves with firearms as often.

http://gawker.com/5968818/i-am-adam-lanzas-mother

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Mike,

Good article with one noted difference. This mother recognized that her son was a threat and contained him, as painful as it was.

Adam Lanzas mother shared her "Love of Guns" with her sociopath son and enabled him to take all of those innocent lives, including hers. It sounds to me as if she may have had a mental defect too.
 
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