School Shooting

I had questioned in my own mind as to if the weapons had been locked up.

I also can't help but feel this situation had an Oedipus or "Psycho" bent to it. JMO.
 
I think Scott of the most excellent Sea Ray Destiny has the answer to all of it (the it being guns, how we treat each other, teaching our children, in short living life) in his Sig line, "Like my granddaddy used to say....". This nation either forgot what our grandparents (The Greatest Generation) taught us about life or we might have just not listened. Either way or both, it is going to cost us a high price to relearn what was once given freely to us about living life. So to Scott I say thank you and your granddaddy, y'all have made me think a great deal about how things are handled now and how they were handled not so long ago.
 
As a retired educator of thirty seven years< I fell so sorry for the students and staff of the elementary school. Now I reflect the only thing I could have defended the student and staff with a broom handle or mop.
 
Ray, I too am sorry for your loss. It's painful to lose a close friend, no matter what the circumstances.

As you all pray for those involved in this tragedy, please include the police officers who had to respond to this and the ones who will have to go back into that school every day for the foreseeable future as the crime scene is processed. Nobody should have to do that. They too are victims of this horrific crime.
 
Gofirstclass said:
Ray, I too am sorry for your loss. It's painful to lose a close friend, no matter what the circumstances.

As you all pray for those involved in this tragedy, please include the police officers who had to respond to this and the ones who will have to go back into that school every day for the foreseeable future as the crime scene is processed. Nobody should have to do that. They too are victims of this horrific crime.
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GFC,

You are right my friend. These poor responders are also scarred for life and should also be remembered in peoples prayers and thoughts. Well stated.

My wife and I went to my sons elementary school today for a "Holiday" celebration not unlike what was to happen later in the day at Sandy Hook Elementary School. As we walked down the halls I looked around at all the kids and teachers doing there crafts and holiday rehersals and couldn't help but wonder where would the people run and hide, who would or wouldn't survive if it happened there. While this thought is running through my mind my wife turns to me and says "I can't stop thinking of all those poor people that were killed last week as we walk down these halls"

So you see, we ALL are affected by this tragedy on some level.
 
Four Suns said:
Wow... if your wife is in JCC, our wives might know each other. My wife was a teacher (math) up at a high school here up until last year. She had a kid with documented Asberger's syndrome in her class and he went and told his "special needs" teacher, in detail, how he was going to come in and kill my wife. They told my wife he was having issues and then a week later the kid gets away from his handler and ends up in her room and the office calls her room and tells her to tell everyone she has a meeting and get out immediately... only then did she find out this kid was wanting to kill her. I had to get a lawyer involved to get this guy out of the school because the administration said he "had rights to a normal education." It was unbelievable how bad the JCC school admin handled this. She left... I worry all the time this guy is going to show up at the house now.

The problem isn't guns. It's more the "Forrest Gump" problem where parents are screaming that they want their kid, with known mental health issues, to be integrated with "normal kids." Although the movie had a happy ending, the real life Forrrest Gump grows up and goes to mall and shoots it up. I read that article about the mother... but I have to wonder how much she screamed to NOT have her child's problems addressed early on because she wanted him to be "normal."

JCC is going to have a bad story someday, and IMO, they should be charged with negligence WHEN (not IF) it happens.

Teaching in this day is not worth it. Parents need to recognize these problems and not demand their child be considered "normal" when they are not. I would bet a real investigation will reveal years of this kid having abnormal behavior and the parents and school officials turning their head and whisking him out the door to "normal society." But lets put a gun ban in place.... that way when the kid shows up that threatened my wife's life, he'll be the only one armed.

My 2 cents from first hand experience.
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My first hand experience comes from having an adopted child (now 30) with fetal alchohol syndrom which cause all sorts of developmental problems. I have also been coaching Special Olympics for over 20 years (its made me a better person). My wife also manages the after school program at a local school.

Our County and State have done an excellant job creating a special needs school that individual schol districts can send kids who need it. It was APSOLUTELY PERFECT for my daughter. Extremely talented, dedicated teachers and administrators provided every possible support, therapy, dicipline and love that she needed. She has grown into a wonderful young women who has far exceeded our expectations. For other students, mainstreaming might be the better choice as they are capable of learning to get along in the world. The key is to make well educated, non-emotional, non-economically driven choices for the optimal placement. It saddens my wife and I when we see kids in schol situations that would be far better off in a special needs school. Parents who deny their child the opportunity to a proper placement satisfy their need for their child to be normal at the expense of their child and the other children in the classroom who are adversely impacted by bad behaviors and disruptions. Our county uses a team approach to developing the right placement and plan. Our family was blessed to have taken the advice of such a team many years ago.

PS Rebecca LOVES the boat and is a great second mate.
 
Please if you have guns and I have plenty keep them locked up so other people cannot get them. I have a safe and all of my guns with the exception of the one that I carry is locked away and no other person has the combo. How could this woman with the knowledge that her son was a freak not have all of the guns locked up. I blame her for this. All the poor kids and teachers died because of her not keeping the guns out of the hand of her messed up kid.
 
I do have guns, just two. The one I don't carry hs a cable lock. I lock up all ammo as well
 
Mine is locked and hidden when away from the house. Comes out when I'm home. I can't carry as I work in a school.
 
I truly do not know which is sadder the recent shooting event, in which her son violated gun laws already in place, or the ignorance
and lack of logic in most folks within our current society.

Folks we are only around 5 percent of the world, where else in the world does one see so many "Fat" poor people? You just cannot fix stupid.

Lets see there are anywhere from 12 - 20 million illegal aliens in this country, just for this small number, what do you do for "gun control." WE cannot even track these illegal folks! I guess these folks can have any guns they wish?

Blooming idiot in New York is nattering on in one of the most restrictive gun controlled cities in the nation, and yet they already have over 320 murders this year. One must ask? How many by legal gun owners? Just how many of these by "assault rifles?

As to banning "assault rifles," There was around 14,500 people murdered last year in the good old USA, Just how many of these by "assault rifles? How many by legal gun owners?

Hell here in Jacksonville, Florida there is around 100 murders here this year, Just how many of these by "assault rifles? How many by legal gun owners?

When guns are outlawed who will have guns? Just another worthless type gov-mint costly program to go along with the "war on drugs," Now we will pay for a "war on guns."

Yes Virginia the sky is falling and we are pulling it down, we are our on worse enemy.

One thing I will say about all of this new progressiveness is that as I have going older I have gotten more racist and prejudice.

I did not use to be this way, as I am retired US Army but nothing is about an actual minority issue any more, but one of entitlement.

Ergo the mantra is “I was born so I am owed.”
 
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There's a report that on the same day in china a 36 yr old man attacked 22 kids in an elementary school with a knife, do we blame the knife companies ? do we ban knives? If he mowed them down with his car do we stop selling cars, unfortunately these events will continue to happen until someone is allowed to say out loud without getting sued that these kids are problems waiting to happen . God forbid you insult or embarrass someone they're feelings might be hurt. When I was growing up if someone in school called you a name you took care of it you didn't run home crying to mommy , then the principal and teacher gets transferred when mommy stuck up for you!! the kids now days are too soft and they're parents are enablers!!!
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(Jack380ac): "Our County and State have done an excellant job creating a special needs school that individual schol districts can send kids who need it."
Great thing, but it requires taxes, which a lot of people are against. And big enough government to actually do it well, and some people are against that too. I'm with Warren Buffett on that one. I don't mind a little more taxes to keep things like libraries and parks open and provide better schools. Maybe if this kid had been in a special school, someone would have picked up on his dangerous-ness.
I also read where the 22 kids were attacked with knives in China. The article said they were WOUNDED. The kids in Conn. Attacked by guns were KILLED. You'll never get the wackos out of the world, but if I had to face one unarmed, like those kids in a that classroom, I'd rather face a wacko with a knife than a wacko with an assault rifle (or whatever you want to call it).
Not trying to p!ss anyone off, but my 2c
 
spfortjohn said:
Please if you have guns and I have plenty keep them locked up so other people cannot get them. I have a safe and all of my guns with the exception of the one that I carry is locked away and no other person has the combo. How could this woman with the knowledge that her son was a freak not have all of the guns locked up. I blame her for this. All the poor kids and teachers died because of her not keeping the guns out of the hand of her messed up kid.
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That is correct!
 
I have no idea if the free access to guns has created the present situation. Until the 50ies gun access was wide open in Canada and the US. It slowly changed in Canada until the 90ies when it became difficult to get one. What seem to have changed are the rights of individuals. Based on what my parents told me if you had mental problems you were put in an institution. Now “special needs” seem to be all integrated into society. Sort of like being in the woods and meting a grizzly and expecting him to behave like a teddy bear.
 
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