Guns on your boat

[JV II]

Holy Smokes JV that country you live in sounds terrible, extremely dangerous.....but if you're correct Australia sounds pretty safe and civilized.....hmmm, maybe they'd let you in.:smt043

Woody, you think I'm making stuff up?
We have had 8 years of a president who divided our country, incited racial division, weakened our national security, disparaged and endangered our police force, ignored our vets, supported terrorist groups, fought illegal wars in the middle east, and has done nothing to address the mental illness crisis or the broken criminal justice system and weak penalties. We have a corrupt government working for special interests and big corporations sucking the life out of the lower and middle class. They have created a culture of dependency and when the benefits are cut off, there will be a lot more of this.

It's no joke. I'll remind or inform you of just a few recent events. It's not guns, its the decay of our society. You're laughing at this::smt043

[video]https://youtu.be/zjP39MS_GYk[/video]
http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2009/10/28/doctor_stabbed_attacker_killed_at_massachusetts_ge neral_hospital/
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/02/17/decorated-marine-vet-attacked-robbed-at-washington-dc-mcdonalds-police-say.html
[video]https://youtu.be/rWJM2wZb1Ew[/video]
[video]http://www.cbsnews.com/news/police-woman-beheaded-at-oklahoma-workplace/[/video]
[video]https://youtu.be/vnJBW49afzg[/video]

You might be pretty isolated from any of this in Wisconsin.
juggernaut1, am I proud of my country like you probably are of yours? That's a painful question. If you are here to make enemies on the other side of the world and show ignorance, maybe I just wasted 10 minutes.

 

[Black Valkyrie]

Funny to watch a few Australians try to tell everyone they don't need firearms, blatantly ignoring their country's own stats showing the number of firearms owners ever increasing

 

[Meathead]

Below is a link to a video by an Australian comedian called Jim Jefferies.
Please take it in the spirit it is meant.

http://youtu.be/0rR9IaXH1M0

 

[juggernaut1]

juggernaut1, am I proud of my country like you probably are of yours? That's a painful question. If you are here to make enemies on the other side of the world and show ignorance, maybe I just wasted 10 minutes.

JV it comes down to this. If you need guns on your boat to protect yourself and family then all well and good (which is what this thread is about). In Australia, I'm more worried about sharks than some psyscho attacking me or my family on my boat. In Australia carrying a gun on your boat is foreign to us. It's simply unheard of in the part of the country I live in and in fact laughable. Maybe in other parts of Australia ..perhaps - I don't know?

Moreover, based on PM's received on a related thread from "your" side of the pond, I'm also not making enemies - on the contrary. Clearly it's not a unilateral view over there.

The news from the beamed into our lounge rooms on evenings from the US only strengthens mainstream community anti-gun support in this country........not weakens it.

 

[juggernaut1]

Funny to watch a few Australians try to tell everyone they don't need firearms, blatantly ignoring their country's own stats showing the number of firearms owners ever increasing

You're confusing needs with wants. If you "need" a firearms in Australia to protect yourself then you "need" to grow a set or your pissing the wrong types of people off or looking for trouble. I don't see any Aussies on this forum suggesting we need guns on boats.

 

[k9medic]

There are a very few number of people who have been so unfortunate as to point a gun at somebody with the intent to take a life. I am in this group. An even smaller group of these people have been forced to take a life using a gun. By the grace of God, I am not in this group.

A reasonable analogy is getting into a fight. Every person alive has been in a physical fight. Some have had worse fights than others. I have been in a fight that, while I had my gun available, I was unable to access it as the guy I was fighting was trying to grab it too. His intent was to kill me and he was attempting to do so by any means necessary. This man had earlier in the day carjacked and raped a woman at knifepoint. It was my job to stop him.

It is hard to explain a mindset or a reasoning that develops when you're exposed to a situation such as this.

I have spent a majority of my adult life carrying a gun as a condition of my employment and as a private citizen while exercising the rights that were afforded to me by the signing of a piece of paper by a group of intrepid men almost 240 years ago. The very essence of this argument is the fact that we are free to make that choice and the only country in the world that affords it's citizens that choice.

We could go in circles for months on end with this discussion and the result would be the same. Disagreement.

 

[highslice]

You're confusing needs with wants. If you "need" a firearms in Australia to protect yourself then you "need" to grow a set or your pissing the wrong types of people off or looking for trouble. I don't see any Aussies on this forum suggesting we need guns on boats.

What world are you living in? Random violence happens here and growing a set has nothing to do with it. I have been attacked in a bar for doing nothing but standing there. My dad, who grew up during the race riots here (ever had race riots in Australia?), thought it was important that his sons knew how to fight. I was "armed" because I knew how to defend myself and I did. But I'm almost 50 now and if a 250 pound 21 year old attacked me the way the guy in the bar did, I wouldn't have a chance. I was a f***ing animal back then and I took care of business. Today would require a gun. I wasn't looking for trouble. I didn't do anything to "piss the wrong people off" and I seriously have a set. Of course logic never works against a liberal emotional argument. So let the debate go on. Thank God for our founders and their foresight to add the 2nd Amendment to our constitution.

I will say this about Australia: At least your leaders had the balls to tell muslims that sharia would never be the law of the land and if they don't want to follow the actual law of the land then get out. We have an islamic state in Michigan. They will build foot baths in schools for the muslim students, but will tear down a Christmas tree due to "seperation of church and state".

 

[Black Valkyrie]

You're confusing needs with wants. If you "need" a firearms in Australia to protect yourself then you "need" to grow a set or your pissing the wrong types of people off or looking for trouble. I don't see any Aussies on this forum suggesting we need guns on boats.

Don't think two people is an accurate aggregate of that continient's population.

 

[Meathead]

What world are you living in? Random violence happens here and growing a set has nothing to do with it. I have been attacked in a bar for doing nothing but standing there. My dad, who grew up during the race riots here (ever had race riots in Australia?), thought it was important that his sons knew how to fight. I was "armed" because I knew how to defend myself and I did. But I'm almost 50 now and if a 250 pound 21 year old attacked me the way the guy in the bar did, I wouldn't have a chance. I was a f***ing animal back then and I took care of business. Today would require a gun..

So let me get this straight , if an unarmed person attacks you, you can and would shoot them.
Over here you'd cop the hiding, hope it wasn't too bad, and that someone would step in.

We have had race riots, well one in Sydney, but no one brought guns. (Hard to believe but true)

 

[Gofirstclass]

So let me get this straight , if an unarmed person attacks you, you can and would shoot them.

Meathead, under certain circumstances you would be justified in shooting a person who was attacking you, even if that person was unarmed. There is a thing called "disparity of force" and if there is a large disparity of force between what you are able to present vs what the attacker is able to present, you may be justified in shooting him.

Let's take a classic case. I'm almost 70 years old. I walk into a convenience store to pay for gasoline. As I'm returning to my car I'm jumped by two or more hoodlums in their 20's who are bent on robbing me. They start to beat me up, knock me to the ground and are kicking me. At that point, even though they have no weapons, there is a huge disparity of force and I would be justified in shooting them to protect my life.

I realize that is a clear example, but it doesn't have to be so clear cut before you would be justified in using deadly force to protect yourself.

 

[2000SR380]

So let me get this straight , if an unarmed person attacks you, you can and would shoot them.
Over here you'd cop the hiding, hope it wasn't too bad, and that someone would step in.

We have had race riots, well one in Sydney, but no one brought guns. (Hard to believe but true)

When I was 18 years old I had the crud beaten out of me in the middle of a shopping mall with somewhere near 150 people watching from the upper level and in a circle around the fight. I had never, in my wildest dreams, imagined that could happen. I was so naive I was on the ground taking punches before I realized there was no talking my way out. No room for reasonable discourse. No one "stepped in". By the time Mall Security got there I had two black eyes, a split lip, a swollen jaw, and a big lump on the back of my head. I was fortunate that one of the young security guards was a black belt. I am not sure the other three could have done anything. The three guys beating me to a pulp were all under 18, so I was advised that prosecuting them would be pointless. The Incident inspired me to put myself through 6 years of Martial Arts. Those that have done this will recognize that I joined for all the wrong reasons. Worked furiously, and passionately, for years before I finally got it. Two of my grand kids are in the same school now. And my council to them is to stay out of situations where a fight is possible. "Turn the other cheek". Walk away when you can. At some point life will throw a situation at you where you can not walk away, and when that happens WIN!!
Here is what is hard to explain to none gun owners, and non-martial artists. Turning the other cheek from a position of power, is not the same as turning the other cheek because it is your only choice. Maybe you will go your entire life and never be in a situation watching a kid get the crap beat out of him, maybe you will ever see an attempted rape, maybe you will never know the helpless feeling when you can do nothing to protect yourself or someone else who needs protecting. I can tell you this, the VERY second it happens to you the world changes color. You will never see things the same. One glimpse behind the curtain and (if you survive it) you will never ask a question like "So, you would shoot an unarmed man?" Or make some 'blame the victim' statement like you must have "pissed off the wrong people".

 

[lawndoctor]

http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/Queen-Village-Shooting-Philadelphia-Fight--370746751.html

 

[aerobat77]

Well, the very most countries on this planet have the opinion that arming citizens will take more lifes than it will safe. if this is true or not is another question.

I see the problem here that with a gun in your hand you have a tool where you can easy apply deadly force . If in a quickly escalating situation you choose to use it and take a life you cannot turn back time.

Further , living in usa , you can assume the other side might also be armed and then its a question who is quicker - in a confrontation it also might end its you who gets the bullet where in the same situation without weapons the outcome would be less severe

So i,m not that sure if you live more safe in a country where basicly everybody can possess and carry a gun.

Whatever - its intereseting to read here different opinions .

 

[Seevee]

Woddy, you think I'm making stuff up?
We have had 8 years of a president who divided our country, incited racial division, weakened our national security, disparaged our police force, ignored our vets, supported terrorist groups, fought illegal wars in the middle east, and has done nothing to address the mental illness crisis or the broken criminal justice system and weak penalties. We have a corrupt government working for special interests and big corporations sucking the life out of the lower and middle class. They have created a culture of dependency and when the benefits are cut off, there will be a lot more of this.

It's no joke. I'll remind or inform you of just a few recent events. It's not guns, its the decay of our society. You're laughing at this::smt043

[video]https://youtu.be/zjP39MS_GYk[/video]
http://www.boston.com/news/local/ma...r_killed_at_massachusetts_ge neral_hospital/
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/02/1...ed-at-washington-dc-mcdonalds-police-say.html
[video]https://youtu.be/rWJM2wZb1Ew[/video]
[video]http://www.cbsnews.com/news/police-woman-beheaded-at-oklahoma-workplace/[/video]
[video]https://youtu.be/vnJBW49afzg[/video]

You might be pretty isolated from any of this in Wisconsin.
juggernaut1, am I proud of my country like you probably are of yours? That's a painful question. If you are here to make enemies on the other side of the world and show ignorance, maybe I just wasted 10 minutes.

VII,

This is probably the best post on this thread so far.

Most of us clearly love our country, but we dearly need to take it back. We have lost more rights and have less protection in the past 8 years than we have since the Mayflower.

We absolutely have the right to carry on a boat, as anywhere else in this country.... even in New York. And I hope that our Federal government cracks down on states that illegally deny us our constitution rights. For now, we must decide how to enforce our rights.

As for being armed on our boat, it is OUR choice, and while the risk is relatively low in a lot of places, when you're in the boonies there will be no help out there and you're on your own.

Yes, carry your gun, but more important... be prepared and first line of defense is to avoid if possible.

 

[Pseudomind]

I carried a Taurus Stainless Steel with 6.5 inch barrel Raging Judge on my boat. First three chambers with .410 "Defender" rounds, remaining chambers with 45 Long Colts. I was trying to hopefully decrease bullet travel distance to a degree.

 

[Polaris]

I guess all these boaters packing guns is what our founding fathers had in mind as a "...well regulated militia.."

 

[SCORPIO]

If anyone on here can tell me the time and place where I will need to use a gun, PLEASE let me know, I'll plan to be somewhere else that day. OH and while you're at it, is like the Powerball numbers for that same day. I know that sounds weird but I'm trying to say that you can never be certain that you WON'T need to protect yourself at any given time. Also, situations can go from ok to life threatening in a few seconds so being prepared is necessary. Just like a fire on a boat can happen in an instant and you need a plan to act fast because when seconds count, help may be minutes away.

2000SR380, I wish this forum had a like button, your experience is a prime example of what I alluded to.

 

[hd2002hd]

There are a very few number of people who have been so unfortunate as to point a gun at somebody with the intent to take a life. I am in this group. An even smaller group of these people have been forced to take a life using a gun. By the grace of God, I am not in this group.

A reasonable analogy is getting into a fight. Every person alive has been in a physical fight. Some have had worse fights than others. I have been in a fight that, while I had my gun available, I was unable to access it as the guy I was fighting was trying to grab it too. His intent was to kill me and he was attempting to do so by any means necessary. This man had earlier in the day carjacked and raped a woman at knifepoint. It was my job to stop him.

It is hard to explain a mindset or a reasoning that develops when you're exposed to a situation such as this.

I have spent a majority of my adult life carrying a gun as a condition of my employment and as a private citizen while exercising the rights that were afforded to me by the signing of a piece of paper by a group of intrepid men almost 240 years ago. The very essence of this argument is the fact that we are free to make that choice and the only country in the world that affords it's citizens that choice.

We could go in circles for months on end with this discussion and the result would be the same. Disagreement.

Interesting thread! Best post!!

 

[Black Valkyrie]

As a side note my local indoor range just redid their backstop so you can shoot regular (non frangible) 223 rounds indoors and are now making use of force training available to members...

Here's a Canadian perspective on use of force for the defenseless Australians

 

[HUMPH]

When I was 18 years old I had the crud beaten out of me in the middle of a shopping mall with somewhere near 150 people watching from the upper level and in a circle around the fight. I had never, in my wildest dreams, imagined that could happen. I was so naive I was on the ground taking punches before I realized there was no talking my way out. No room for reasonable discourse. No one "stepped in". By the time Mall Security got there I had two black eyes, a split lip, a swollen jaw, and a big lump on the back of my head. I was fortunate that one of the young security guards was a black belt. I am not sure the other three could have done anything. The three guys beating me to a pulp were all under 18, so I was advised that prosecuting them would be pointless. The Incident inspired me to put myself through 6 years of Martial Arts. Those that have done this will recognize that I joined for all the wrong reasons. Worked furiously, and passionately, for years before I finally got it. Two of my grand kids are in the same school now. And my council to them is to stay out of situations where a fight is possible. "Turn the other cheek". Walk away when you can. At some point life will throw a situation at you where you can not walk away, and when that happens WIN!!
Here is what is hard to explain to none gun owners, and non-martial artists. Turning the other cheek from a position of power, is not the same as turning the other cheek because it is your only choice. Maybe you will go your entire life and never be in a situation watching a kid get the crap beat out of him, maybe you will ever see an attempted rape, maybe you will never know the helpless feeling when you can do nothing to protect yourself or someone else who needs protecting. I can tell you this, the VERY second it happens to you the world changes color. You will never see things the same. One glimpse behind the curtain and (if you survive it) you will never ask a question like "So, you would shoot an unarmed man?" Or make some 'blame the victim' statement like you must have "pissed off the wrong people".

What mall was this I and about what year? I may remember this one from the late 70's!