Guns on your boat

I to live in america never have seen the need to carry a gun on board.Does this make me unprepared I guess so .Maybe if I boated on the coast or more populated area maybe I would feel the need but so far Lake Erie and the places I stay I don't carry on board.Just for everyone that is not from the USA it's not the wild west here.If I felt that I needed some type of fire arm for protection because of where i was boating I don't think I'd boat there or maybe if I owned a large boat maybe I would feel like a mark.I also have fire arms in my house but I don't have one under my pillow at night and i sleep just fine and if i felt as it was needed i move.
 
Black Valkyrie said:
Meathead said:
I also.dispute your claim that Australians would find it inconceivable to carry one on their boat. I dispute that. I would bet you dollars to Kangaroos that savvy Australians who are smart enough to carry firearms for protection in the outback are also wise enough to do so when at sea. I would suggest to you that you actually may be a minority in your opinion in your own country on this matter.

FYI I have relatives in Australia and they are all armed.
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I boat in Australia, I may know more about it than you, guns here are the equal of Honda generators over there.
People in the outback (where there is no water to boat on btw) carry guns to kill Kangaroos, (good eating fwiw) not each other.
Please don't tell your relatives where I live.
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dvx216 said:
I to live in america never have seen the need to carry a gun on board.Does this make me unprepared I guess so .Maybe if I boated on the coast or more populated area maybe I would feel the need but so far Lake Erie and the places I stay I don't carry on board.Just for everyone that is not from the USA it's not the wild west here.If I felt that I needed some type of fire arm for protection because of where i was boating I don't think I'd boat there or maybe if I owned a large boat maybe I would feel like a mark.I also have fire arms in my house but I don't have one under my pillow at night and i sleep just fine and if i felt as it was needed i move.
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I agree it is not the Wild West, even here in the Wild West. I work in Richmond CA (you can look up the stats if you like) where we have about 40 murders a year and maybe 40 rapes. Violent assaults are typically in the 500's. In the quiet suburb where my house is located we average 2 murders, 5 rapes and around 50 violent assaults each year. My point is where you boat and where you live determine reasonable protection whether you are in the US, Canada , or some fantasy version of Austrailia. I do not sleep with a gun under my pillow either, but I do have the key to my gun safe where I can access it in my sleep. We lock the doors day and night, and I keep a baseball bat beside the bed. We have two dogs 100 and 130 pounds each. I am currently paying for two of my grandsons to attend my old Gung-Fu school. Because I feel strongly enough about self defense to a ani-up the cash. We have lots of anti-gun folks around here too. People that would never think of carrying a gun on thier boat. Neighbors who do not believe any of us should have guns. Most people would never think to putt themselves through a martial arts class. Here is how I look at it. People who are looking for trouble are not usually much of a problem for those of us who are ready. But then again I stock extra propane and bottled water. I have two water makers, and a good amount of emergency food. We keep the boat fueled up with the water tanks full, and the pantry loaded. I have life jackets flares extra radio's dry clothes and two first aid kits. If Nothing ever happens, there is a lot to appreciate. Enjoying a nice sunny weekend on the water. Morning coffee over a campfire, Loving my family, playing with my dogs. Faced with a big natural disaster, nautical mishap, or someone looking for trouble, I am going to try like hell to be the one looking to help, not the one looking for help.
 
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So is there no violent crime in Australia? The strong do not victimize the weak and elderly? Robberies and break ins don't happen? I say this tongue in cheek nut my point is, these things are part of human nature. I would rather acknowledge this and prepare for it than to have victim written on my death certificate.
 
SCORPIO said:
I would rather acknowledge this and prepare for it than to have victim written on my death certificate.
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And that's fair enough Scorpio. In a previous thread on a similar topic I asked the question when and where did people carry as I was genuinely curious. Interestingly, it wasn't all the time. So generally speaking, not everyone would be "prepared" all the time and so I'm surmising a risk assessment is made of when and where threats might occur in your daily lives in the US. Would you expect a threat getting your coffee in the morning on the way to work as was the case at the Lindt cafe in Australia?

Weapons, including guns, cannot generally be carried in Australia and self defence is not a valid excuse to carry. So if your carrying one on your boat then you are committing an offence in Australia - so no you would not be a "savvy" or "smart" Australian if you choose to do so. Name calling, hand gestures and and throwing snapper sinkers at each others boats is about as feisty as it gets. However, I generally find boaters about the most relaxed bunch of people around in our community.

As for the weak and elderly, then perhaps pepper spray is probably your only mean of self-defence in you own home and not get convicted in a Court of Law - although I understand even that is illegal to carry in my State.

Of course there is a balance between laws, policing and enforcing those laws, personal freedom and safety, and at least in my opinion we have the right balance in Australia at this time.
 
Juggernaut, I'm just curious about something. If one lived in OZ and had a handgun in his home and did not carry it on his person, why would that ability to have it in his home not legally extend to having it in his boat if he is on the boat for an overnight stay? In essence, he is living on the boat, albeit for a short time.
 
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Juggernaut, I'm just curious about something. If one lived in OZ and had a handgun in his home and did not carry it on his person, why would that ability to have it in his home not legally extend to having it in his boat if he is on the boat for an overnight stay? In essence, he is living on the boat, albeit for a short time.
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I just read up on some Australian gun laws, you won't have a handgun unless you belong to a police approved club and it's use is that. They don't let regular folks have handguns or any other solely for person protection.
 
GFC, I'm not expert in our firearm laws but Woody is on the money. Unless your a gun club member, farmer, require a gun in the performance of your occupation, or know of a farmer(s) who has provided a letter to shoot on his property, then you won't be getting a gun licence for any other purpose. In these cases, the guns must be locked away in a secure gun case at all other times which can be at home or at the gun club.

Gun licences won't be issued for reasons of self-defense, period, no matter how feeble or frail you are. I know of a few people with guns (friend, friend of a friend, uncle, nephew and brother) and they all fit into one of the above categories I've mentioned. The friend of a friend actually flys to the US to complete in competitions and transports his gun on the plane.

So to answer your question - no you can't transport the gun to the boat or even have it on the boat.
 
Gents , this is a hell of a thread and interesting to read , especially about the different laws and opinions in the world.

I live in germany and we have here very restrictive gun laws . I made two years ago a hunting licence so i can posess firearms.

The law here permits the use only against animals in legal hunting, with the basic rule not to even think about using it against humans .

In germany , when you get offended , your only practical legal choice for self defense is to call the police. sad to say.

There is no way people can purchase and carry a gun for self defense here . If e.g somebody enters my home to steal something and i use my hunting weapon against him i would face court for sure even when he is the criminal.

It is amazing to read some statements here.
 
This thread certainly underscores the importance of the second ammendment, especially when contrasted with other democratic nations.
 
It has been enlightening to see the opinions and experiences from others outside the United States.

The following words are so ingrained in my core belief system, I often forget that others may not exercise or be able to exercise these rights:

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." Self-determination and Self-Defense are direct offshoots of those words.

It is both eye-opening and saddening to me that our brothers down under or across the pond aren't afforded these basic human rights. It is beyond absurd that someone who defends their own life from an attacker intent on doing them bodily harm would be imprisoned for defending their own life.
 
Being a card carrying member of the NRA, I understand fully the importance of the 2nd amendment. On the other hand, Like where are you boating that you feel the need to have a gun other than to pop off the occasional seagull ?
 
I personally have never felt the "need" to carry, but it's nice to know that I can, legally!

What happens though if &/or when you need it and you don't have it? It's better to be prepared, I think.

If you want to have a gun with you, that's your right/choice. If not, likewise. To each his own.

Just my $0.02!
 
At one time the laws that were in place for crimes committed with a gun were respected. Now there is no laws that is respected from a lot of the people from within the welfare state and many people that choose to live within it have zero values on life. So committing crimes will happen with or without guns .Germany your history in the 30's and 40's show that you have an odd way with dealing with your people. Australia you only have four major cities within your whole country we have 35 city larger then your largest city and another 65 cities of 2 million so don't think you have anything in comparison.
 
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