"What is wrong" was already asked....

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  1. MonacoMike

    MonacoMike Well-Known Member SILVER Sponsor

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    What the heck does a keyboard warrior from Canada know about Indiana gun laws? Just what they read in the fake news. Even Giffords has Indiana ranked right in the middle of gun laws at #24. Chicago Police have said that the lack of tough sentencing is driving crime and murder because the cops are always chasing the same perps, it is like a terrifying groundhogs day. FiveThirtyEight, not a conservative source for sure, says that since the McDonald police shooting video release, the city has seen a drop in arrests for homicides and non-fatal shootings and a "severe gun violence spike".

    MM
     
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  2. Woody

    Woody Well-Known Member PLATINUM Sponsor

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    What you mean they don't go shopping? You saying stolen/illegal goods are only purchased FOB Destination?

    The minute a gun is stolen from the original legal owner does anything after matter? I'm sure that there are gang members that could legally buy a firearm but why would they want a gun that could be traced directly back to themselves. While they're involved in things criminal it doesn't necessarily mean that they're stupid.
     
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  3. M Prod

    M Prod Active Member SILVER Sponsor GOLD Sponsor

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    I thought we were having a civilized conversation and not name calling? My mistake.

    In any case I'm a US citizen. I used to live in Chicago. I have family in Indiana. So you were saying? 24 means nothing as many states have diddly for gun laws. If you compare it to some of the strongest gun laws in the US, then Indiana is some of the weakest. Like I said.
     
  4. MonacoMike

    MonacoMike Well-Known Member SILVER Sponsor

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    Sorry, not wanting to start name calling, did not think pointing out your distance from the issue would be perceived that way.

    Carrying on... The reason many states have "diddly for gun laws" is they are states that believe in the constitution and freedom... The Chicago problem is their problem not Indiana's.

    I love my new quote...

    "Nothing screams first world quite like a bunch of people complaining they have too much liberty and begging their government to take it away." Unknown
     
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  5. Gofirstclass

    Gofirstclass Well-Known Member GOLD Sponsor

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    MMike, FYI, sales of firearms across state lines is legal in contiguous states if the sale is made according to this:

    "A law that some, but not all, are aware of is the “contiguous state” provision of the Gun Control Act (CGA). Within this provision unlicensed persons are allowed to purchase a long gun from a FFL dealer located in a state contiguous to the state in which the person resides, as long as (1) the sale would be permitted in the purchaser’s state of residence; and (2) the sale fully complied with all legal conditions of sale in both states."
     
  6. Gofirstclass

    Gofirstclass Well-Known Member GOLD Sponsor

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  7. Razzle Dazzle

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    It just won’t happen as often, if they are banned to all but the military. As you are well aware, there are newly created troubled and sick people everyday. Let’s not make it possible for them to get automatic weapons. Let’s hire more guidance teachers for the children with special emotional needs and fund better mental health programs and quit being so angry and self centred. Assault weapons are made to mow down combatants, not neighbors, thieves, civilians and certainly not our precious children. Walk a mile in the shoes of another and think, that dead child could be your own.
     
  8. scoflaw

    scoflaw Well-Known Member SILVER Sponsor

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    Agree, not neighbors, thieves, civilians or children, but a tyrannical government, oh yah. I'll give up my assault weapons when the government gives up theirs.
     
  9. Woody

    Woody Well-Known Member PLATINUM Sponsor

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    I don't think any school shooting were with automatic weapons.
     
  10. Gofirstclass

    Gofirstclass Well-Known Member GOLD Sponsor

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    RD, just by way of a clarification, "automatic" weapons are nearly impossible for the average Joe Citizen to acquire. An automatic weapon is capable of firing multiple rounds until the trigger is released or if the gun's selector switch is set to fire a short burst.

    The rifles that have been used in a few school shootings are semi-automatic weapons and require the trigger be pulled each time a shot is fired, except in the case of those that have been illegally modified to fire fully automatic or has been fitted with a bump stock.

    Before a person can own a fully automatic weapon he must first apply for permission to own it, undergo a VERY thorough background check, pay a $200 tax per weapon and if he wants to sell it the prospective buyer has to do the same thing and pay the tax all over again.

    Just trying to keep everyone clear on what we're talking about.
     
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  11. Steve S

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    Exactly!

    I was not trying to blame Indiana in anyway. Just pointing out where the flow of weapons were coming from.
     
  12. LTD.330

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    Technical clarification. A bump stock still requires the trigger to be pulled each time to fire the cartridge. Bump stocks work by loosely holding the riflle, keeping your trigger finger still, and allowing the recoil with the aid of the spring in the stock to come forward and slam into your finger. While it is great for getting follow-up shots of quickly, accuracy is for shit.
     
  13. Woody

    Woody Well-Known Member PLATINUM Sponsor

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    I remember my Mom hollering at us kids to 'keep the door closed or the flies will get in'.

    If she was still living she'd keep those bad guys out of the schools and 'tune up' any students that needed it at the same time. Hell, if my Grandmother was still here so she could help, she'd grab a broom and knock the shit out the bad guys, 'send 'em packin' just like the bears that used to get in her garden.:D
     
  14. bajturner

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    Just for my own education as a dumb Canadian...!

    Is this a real and common concern in the US...that guns are necessary to maintain the ability for civilians to potentially rise-up and fight their own government?
     
  15. scoflaw

    scoflaw Well-Known Member SILVER Sponsor

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    There is this thing that the government can enact on the people called "martial Law", which is when law enforcement can enforce the will of the government on the people. Happened in Katrina and the Boston Marathon bombing, where the people are forced to be prisoners in their own home and are made to give up their legally owned firearms.
     
  16. firecadet613

    firecadet613 Active Member

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    This has been a very interesting read. Bottom line - has anyone noticed that the majority of these shootings occur in "Gun Free Zones." I'm not surprised - criminals do NOT follow the law.

    So you have an area where law abiding citizens, are made to disarm or they will be criminally punished by the state for exercising their constitutional right. In said area, is where the shootings occur. Where the criminal is the only one with a weapon and no law abiding citizen is carrying, able to defend themselves.

    And now the news is breaking that the officers did not enter the building, but stood outside while the shooting was happening. I get it, pistol vs a long gun. Who wants to fight that fight? But had you had a few armed citizens inside, this could have ended much differently. Shooting your way into a bad situation vs shooting yourself out of it, as if your life depended on it. Because, quite frankly, in that situation lives did depend on it.

    Gun Free Zone's must be ended/repealed. Your legal right to defend yourself shouldn't end at an imaginary line where on one side you can legally carry, the other will end up with you being a felon.
     
  17. scoflaw

    scoflaw Well-Known Member SILVER Sponsor

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    I come from a small town in mass. Every cop car there has an AR and a shotgun ready. I would assume Broward cruisers have the same and if not, why not.
     
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  18. Great Lakes

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    Still waiting on a gun law that isn't already on the books..

    ...when a police officer shoots a criminal in the hood why is it the cops fault and not the guns fault, hmmmm. I know why, it fits the left's political narrative. I'm also patiently waiting for CNN to have a town hall for all the murders in Chicago and Baltimore, I thought their lives mattered too.
     
  19. Gofirstclass

    Gofirstclass Well-Known Member GOLD Sponsor

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    baj, speaking only for myself here, I don't see that as a major issue. It's not something I worry about or even think about on any kind of a regular basis. For the record, I own an AR-15 and keep it in the
    house, loaded and well hidden. I also have a handgun in the house that's loaded and well hidden.

    The guns are not there to fight off the gubmint. I'm not one of those "pry it from my cold, dead fingers" kind of guy.

    The guns are there to protect my family. We live in a fairly upscale neighborhood. It's not gated and has easy access....to anyone. Doesn't matter if they're coming to rob us or whatever, they're going to have a tough time of it when they come to my house.
     
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  20. Woody

    Woody Well-Known Member PLATINUM Sponsor

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    I'm for outlawing high capacity magazines, but that's not a new idea. 1O rounds and that's it, all pistol, revolver, and rifles. Shotguns 5 rounds max. Exception for .22 s, l, lr rifles with fixed tube magazines.
     

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