Unfortunate that a CSR member is so Clueless!

Good thread and certainly good reminder to all. However, I wish it was slightly more on the positive and educational note.

Based on some posts here I think it's worth mentioning/remind (especially those with larger yachts) that your boat creates a big wake regardless whether you're on plane or off plane. Obviously, when you come off plane the size of the wake is greatly reduced. However, there's a huge difference between the wake size at 10kts vs. the wake at 5kts. So, please don't think that just b/c you came off plane, you're good to go and can plow thru at 10kts. If you're close enough your wake could rock the whole marina.

I totally understand that it takes some time to learn behavior of your wake at different speed and distance from other objects (especially when one recently upgrades from a smaller vessel), but if you take the approach of going a bit slower vs. a bit faster will help you avoid unnecessary incidents.
 
Bucit said:
My name is Perry and I'm a "wakeaholic"..........
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So are you doing the "Twelve Wave Program?" No? Back in the day when there were still WAVE's, WAC's and BAM's doing a "Twelve step WAVE program" would have been so much fun. LOL Join the Navy and ride the waves.

About this thread though, I am still amazed about the number of boaters who know very little and who even attempt to learn even less about boating.

As to shooting off outdated flares, I would highly recommend not to do that here in Jacksonville, Florida unless one is ready for some "Big Time" trouble.
 
By shooting a flare at someone you never know what (or whatever consequence) will comeback at you. I strongly agree with everyone who posted against doing it.
 
I can tell you that anyone who started with a small boat and moves up is more likey to watch out for smaller baots and such with their wakes. Around here it's the guys who start with a big boat and either don't know or don't care about their wakes. If you ever were boating in a small boat and about got swamped you'll know what I mean.
 
And that is why a paint gun is a scary idea. The return fire sometimes would be more permanent!
 
Alex F said:
By shooting a flare at someone you never know what (or whatever consequence) will comeback at you. I strongly agree with everyone who posted against doing it.
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Yeah they have that stand your ground law so you might be shot at.
 
I was running down the Illinois River from Peoria to St. Louis in the 320. I saw a Jon boat ahead but didn't slow down. He was off to the side. He had a four wheeler on the bow, but I didn't realize it. By the time I realized it, it was too late. The four wheeler stayed on the boat. But I pissed him off pretty well. Luckily he didn't shoot at me. The four wheeler stayed dry.
 
Now where where all you big wake boys when I was a kid. My father towing us kids on an inflatable had to make his own wake as big as possible to knock us kids off. Every now and then he would see a big cruiser in the distance making big rollers. He knew for sure he could bounce us off then. But that was every now and again. Wish you u were at the lake back then.
 
Everyone should just wake up! Why can't we all just get along? Oh yea my boat was one of those that tried to jump over the attenuator, but that was yesterday.
 
My story comes from this past weekend. Saturday I got the girls up and running and everything was sounding and looking great, so we went for a short run just to remove some of the winter scum. As we pull out of the slip a group of kayakers was paddling by me. I found the leader of the pack and got which direction he was heading. We got out, up on plane, and rounded the first curve. Yep you guessed it, they had changed direction and dead center of the channel. I got off plane, but to late. I didn't swamp them but they had a nice ride. When we got up to the lead boat we advised him as to what we needed to do and that we would be returning within 10 minutes, that we would be giving a loud blast off the airhorn before we got back up. He was to return with a single blast from a canned horn. It all worked out well in the end.

He did come up later in the afternoon and apologize for changing his direction, he also then understood why I asked BEFORE he left the marina. I was happy I didn't swamp any of his group, the water is still cold.
 
I had two guys in a bass boat fishing on the far side of a bridge pier leaving the Menominee River entering Green Bay. How they stayed aboard, I'll never know, but I was yelled at and given the 1 finger salute. Since my kids were on board, and didn't understand what I did wrong, I went back and apologized to the men. They were pretty ticked until I explained there was no see them behind the bridge. They were in a terrible spot. As we were talking, the CG came down the river and nearly swamped the guys again. Then, the CG turned around to see what we were all up to. Final analysis, CG told those guys they were asking for trouble, and needed to move or suffer the consequences. Despite my apologies, I couldn't be expected to see them. We ended up swapping beer and stories later at the American Legion Post. Glad I kept calm!!
 
My unfavorite is the folk (I didn't write guys) that just don't read the No Wake signs, especially the tourists in our area who just have no idea whatsoever. Boating can be quite dangerous, yet they let these folks hire boats with no prior boating experience at all! Anyway, pleased you guys managed to solve the issue without resorting to to the really low "cabin fever/Internet/verbal fisticuffs" you read from time to time:)
 
blaster said:
Yeah they have that stand your ground law so you might be shot at.
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Firing at someone with a flare gun is using deadly force. Expect the fired on party to respond with deadly force of their own.

Stand your ground laws have received a ton of negative and largely incorrect or inflammatory press. SYG laws generally say that you don't have to retreat when you are under attack from someone using deadly force. But that's not as sexy as "kill at will".
 
I have never been the wake giver...J/K.

i don't think i have owned my boat long enough to offend anyone YET. i made a fairly large jump from a 170 to a 290 but my wider beam does cause a pretty big push for only a 30' boat. that being said i owned that 170 for 8 years and i was the recipient of almost being flooded and almost being tossed quite a few times so I try to be overly cautious. that is unless of course you are in a major port of travel and commerce and you are in a 15' aluminum row boat with a tiny outboard in the center of the narrow channel trying to fish with 3 of your friends who are also just as drunk and just as stupid as you are. you have taken your life into your own hands and anything that happens to you is on you. I will avoid you but I can't say the same for the GIANT barges that come out of there on their own power.

I must say that i am completely surprised at how this thread turned out. I expected some harsh words traveling in both directions, I don't boat where you do so i wont try to imagine what you mean by slowing down by the lighthouse restaurant or the river conditions. when the 460 DB owner came in i thought it was going to turn ugly.

Surprise, :smt038genuinely nice people with honest remorse for any potential wrong doing that may have happened. i would like to say that i would react the same way but i know myself a little bit better than that. :smt013
 
LTD.330 said:
Firing at someone with a flare gun is using deadly force. Expect the fired on party to respond with deadly force of their own.

Stand your ground laws have received a ton of negative and largely incorrect or inflammatory press. SYG laws generally say that you don't have to retreat when you are under attack from someone using deadly force. But that's not as sexy as "kill at will".
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completely agree. a flare gun isn't the most deadly thing on my boat.
 
Boat Guy said:
So you turn a bad situation into a potentially deadly situation?




You could have done that without directly naming him. I'm sure he would have understood it was him without the witch hunt.
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Well the Coast guard has been told (done nothing) An also FL fish and game has also been told, Again nothing. So took care of it and at no time was anybody in danger thank you.
 
AFD said:
I have never been the wake giver...J/K.



I must say that i am completely surprised at how this thread turned out. I expected some harsh words traveling in both directions, I don't boat where you do so i wont try to imagine what you mean by slowing down by the lighthouse restaurant or the river conditions. when the 460 DB owner came in i thought it was going to turn ugly.
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The restaurant is maybe 100' - 200' before the marina from my harbor. People often come in "hot" then slow down for the restaurant docks but the rollers behind them go another 500' or more. That rocks the boats in the marina pretty hard. It did "get ugly" when John chimed in.....trust me!
 
Just a question here. Does the No Wake area start 200' before the restaurant docks?
 
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