Unfortunate that a CSR member is so Clueless!

[AKBASSKING]

Well, I see no problem calling out someone when they do something wrong....it's a learning experience for all, hopefully. As for the flare idea, I suspect the C.G. might have something to say about that. How about a potato gun, or water balloons?

A loud air horn and then I meet them at the dock. Sometimes they throw me a line! I give them a piece of my mind and if they appoligize, then I take the line, if not I walk away.....

 

[mjmason1]

If you have the right fenders, and they burst, call Taylor Made direct. If they are the ones with the lifetime warranty ( not all are covered) they will give you a RA# and have you ship the fender to them. Then they will decide if it's covered. Not a short process. I've been waiting close to 2 months for a decision. If you can't wait go buy a couple of used ones for the interim.

 

[MonacoMike]

I tried and they asked for a receipt. Of course I did not have one with me... no Luck, not even Andrew!

Ken, That is BS. They gave Scott that run around and I had my local manager call his and they then took care of it. My local store knew my bad ones came with the boat when I bought it and exchanged them.

It's hard to soar like an eagle when you work with turkeys.

MM

 

[HUMPH]

I may have to try another West Marine store to see if they would exchange for me.

 

[kaz911]

Well guys - if you really want to see big wake - then come and visit me. The people who owns boats in the United Arab Emirates - have NO clue at all in average.

Our boat is docked in a harbour in a canal - quite wide - but with concrete "sides" - so wake can continue for 30 minutes circulating forwards and back between the concrete walls. Our canal has recently been made a no wake zone - but no one seems to care. And we are just "upstream" from the Formula 1 track's harbour (Yas Marina Abu Dhabi) - so we get all the nutters in for the F1 who again have no clue. At least that is just once a year. This year one boat created so much wake - it tore the electrical cables apart in the trunks on the floating docks. We are talking main feeding lines - so 2-3" cables - which normally have plenty of "slack"

But during normal operation - most of the guys who dock there still have no idea at all.

So some people manage to even get a 21' Bow Rider to make 3' wake. Most are ignorant about the rules on the water. We have a German guy in a big Sea Ray - he is usually the worst. He also managed to pass me and a friend rafting in a very narrow canal - at about 20 knots - < 30' from us - giving us cuts and bruises from his passing at speed.

Then there are the big 50'+ yachts - who come in at full speed - slows down RIGHT at the harbour entrance - and does not realise they send a forward wake ahead of them. They are even more dangerous because they are not so visible - but still very big.

But what is obvious is it is the same boats ALL THE TIME. And you quickly learn some boat hulls are worse than others at the same speed.

But in general to avoid generating wake - keep your speed BELOW the hull speed as a rule of thumb.

Hull speed is calculated as Speed in Knots = 1.34 * sqrt(Boat Waterline Length in feet)

The "dead" area between hull speed and "well trimmed on the plane speed" is where you generate the most wake - so for most smaller SR's - from 5-7 knots -> 13-19 knots - is where your wake is devastating.

Once you are on the plane and trim your boat correct - you should not create much wake - but that does not mean that you can blast through a no wake zone @ 35 knots.

If you want to test how big a wake you CAN make - then just rev your engine to the nose of the boat goes as high as possible - then throw in a little stern drive trim to make it even higher - then look back... - but don't do this unless you are in complete control of your boat - and NO-ONE else is close by. If someone subjects you to a big wake at that angle you might tip over in a small bow rider.... But it is great for cleaning the crud of the lower hull as the water pressure is immense!

 

[Dsybok]

So I would like some opinions on this topic since I had an interesting wake related experience this past weekend.

I was in Long Beach harbor (CA) making for our marina, had slowed from 26 kts down to 8 kts in preparation for the no wake 3 MPH limit zone that starts at the marina entrance. About 300 yards off the marina entrance I noted a Cruisers 447 sedan blasting toward me from starboard on plane at full speed. He looked like he was making for the marina entrance like me, but being a dick about it trying to beat me in. After a minute or two I decided instead he was going across my bow and not for the marina, so I slowed further to 5 kts to let him pass. He did so, at full speed, at this point we are less than 100 feet from the marina entrance, he is on plane at 25 kts or more virtually on top of the 3 MPH zone markers.

He did come off plane RIGHT when he hit the 3 MPH buoy, he sure made my transit into the marina entrance challenging throwing up that 3 foot wake. It was like passing over a bar in a following sea, she got all squirrelly and I had a hard time controlling my direction, but I didn't want to throttle up as I was already at 5 kts in a 3kt zone with the marina office staring straight at me from 50 yards away.

Technically he did not do anything illegal per se, but he was a complete A hole nonetheless and I was a little pissed off. Showed no consideration for the marina entrance either. I did not take any action, I did see his boat parked at the restaurant row later on, I thought about shouting at the guy but figured it would have done no good. Do you think I should have reported him or taken any action?

 

[Quint4]

A few point blank shotgun blasts below the waterline should do it.

 

[HUMPH]

If you could have taken down his CF number or his Documented name & hailing port, you could have turned him in to the local authority or CG. You say he technically did nothing wrong but I say that's not true. No wake is no wake weather you are within or outside the zone.

 

[Woody]

So I would like some opinions on this topic since I had an interesting wake related experience this past weekend.

I was in Long Beach harbor (CA) making for our marina, had slowed from 26 kts down to 8 kts in preparation for the no wake 3 MPH limit zone that starts at the marina entrance. About 300 yards off the marina entrance I noted a Cruisers 447 sedan blasting toward me from starboard on plane at full speed. He looked like he was making for the marina entrance like me, but being a dick about it trying to beat me in. After a minute or two I decided instead he was going across my bow and not for the marina, so I slowed further to 5 kts to let him pass. He did so, at full speed, at this point we are less than 100 feet from the marina entrance, he is on plane at 25 kts or more virtually on top of the 3 MPH zone markers.

He did come off plane RIGHT when he hit the 3 MPH buoy, he sure made my transit into the marina entrance challenging throwing up that 3 foot wake. It was like passing over a bar in a following sea, she got all squirrelly and I had a hard time controlling my direction, but I didn't want to throttle up as I was already at 5 kts in a 3kt zone with the marina office staring straight at me from 50 yards away.

Technically he did not do anything illegal per se, but he was a complete A hole nonetheless and I was a little pissed off. Showed no consideration for the marina entrance either. I did not take any action, I did see his boat parked at the restaurant row later on, I thought about shouting at the guy but figured it would have done no good. Do you think I should have reported him or taken any action?

A suggestion...sometimes when you are preparing to enter a tight spot, your slip, marina entrance, run a boat on a trailer, whatever, and there are waves, wakes or anything else that might bother you or aren't to your liking...let them pass...then go. Who might have been wrong at that point is literally beside the point...you're running your boat, if you proceed knowing a 3' wake is likely going to hit you in the a$$ at a critical time that's your call.

 

[Alex F]

A suggestion...sometimes when you are preparing to enter a tight spot, your slip, marina entrance, run a boat on a trailer, whatever, and there are waves, wakes or anything else that might bother you or aren't to your liking...let them pass...then go. Who might have been wrong at that point is literally beside the point...you're running your boat, if you proceed knowing a 3' wake is likely going to hit you in the a$$ at a critical time that's your call.

I agree 100% that making sure your boat and your crew are safe is priority #1. Then, you can call them out on CH16 stating what they did wrong. Assuming that they monitor VHF, including CH16, you'll accomplish couple of things. The captain will know the affect of his action and hopefully apologize (if it was innocent misjudgement call). The CG and boaters around will know what took place.

I also agree with Ken that just b/c there's no "no wake" marker, it doesn't allow them to wake you and put you and others in danger. Unfortunately, there's a big number of captains who still don't understand what their wake does to others and that they're responsible for their wake.

 

[Dsybok]

A suggestion...sometimes when you are preparing to enter a tight spot, your slip, marina entrance, run a boat on a trailer, whatever, and there are waves, wakes or anything else that might bother you or aren't to your liking...let them pass...then go. Who might have been wrong at that point is literally beside the point...you're running your boat, if you proceed knowing a 3' wake is likely going to hit you in the a$$ at a critical time that's your call.

Honestly, I expected him to come off plane before he cross my bow, and he didn't. I had to take action to avoid a collision, which as he was the stand on vessel in that situation, I correctly changed course and speed to avoid collision (really doubt the guy would have known this!). Of course by the time he passed and since it all happened very quickly I was already in the marina entrance. I am also not the most experienced skipper at running inlets, our So Cal versions of "inlets" would make the folks in Jupiter or the Columbia laugh from what I hear.

Fortunately we were not in any real danger, 30 feet from the rock breakwall, the only boat in the channel at the time, and the wake subsided quickly enough for me to regain full control after about 10 seconds of washing machine like action. So it was a good lesson for next time anyway, and thanks for the comments guys!

 

[Dsybok]

That, or just mosey over to his docked boat and set it free. I have little tolerance for dickheads.

Yeah but why does it seem like the dickheads have the nicest boats, I sure liked this guy's blue hull Cruisers 447, she was sexy....

 

[BritLady]

Yeah but why does it seem like the dickheads have the nicest boats, I sure liked this guy's blue hull Cruisers 447, she was sexy....

Because it's often, but NOT always, the dickheads that have the most money........they're ruthless and inconsiderate in their business dealings too which is how they get the big Cruisers

 

[Mike Blake]

So I would like some opinions on this topic since I had an interesting wake related experience this past weekend.

I was in Long Beach harbor (CA) making for our marina, had slowed from 26 kts down to 8 kts in preparation for the no wake 3 MPH limit zone that starts at the marina entrance. About 300 yards off the marina entrance I noted a Cruisers 447 sedan blasting toward me from starboard on plane at full speed. He looked like he was making for the marina entrance like me, but being a dick about it trying to beat me in. After a minute or two I decided instead he was going across my bow and not for the marina, so I slowed further to 5 kts to let him pass. He did so, at full speed, at this point we are less than 100 feet from the marina entrance, he is on plane at 25 kts or more virtually on top of the 3 MPH zone markers.

He did come off plane RIGHT when he hit the 3 MPH buoy, he sure made my transit into the marina entrance challenging throwing up that 3 foot wake. It was like passing over a bar in a following sea, she got all squirrelly and I had a hard time controlling my direction, but I didn't want to throttle up as I was already at 5 kts in a 3kt zone with the marina office staring straight at me from 50 yards away.

Technically he did not do anything illegal per se, but he was a complete A hole nonetheless and I was a little pissed off. Showed no consideration for the marina entrance either. I did not take any action, I did see his boat parked at the restaurant row later on, I thought about shouting at the guy but figured it would have done no good. Do you think I should have reported him or taken any action?

Time f the outdated flares

 

[Mike Blake]

If you could have taken down his CF number or his Documented name & hailing port, you could have turned him in to the local authority or CG. You say he technically did nothing wrong but I say that's not true. No wake is no wake weather you are within or outside the zone.

And they will do what?..............Nothing at all. They have to see it or someone has to have injury. Been there done that and won't ever waste my time again.

 

[LTD.330]

Time f the outdated flares

Shooting flares at somebody is considered assault. Why is that so hard for you to understand?

I would consider someone shooting flares at me as using deadly force and I WILL respond accordingly.

 

[Mike Blake]

Shooting flares at somebody is considered assault. Why is that so hard for you to understand?

I would consider someone shooting flares at me as using deadly force and I WILL respond accordingly.[/QU

OK here we go, What is so hard for your small mind to understand that In never said shoot at them shoot over the bow.
Plus the fact I never said that so please don't put words in my mouth

You need get out of the cold and snow!!

 

[LTD.330]

[h=2]at[/h][SUP][/SUP]
preposition 1. (used to indicate a point or place occupied in space); in, on, or near: to stand at the door; at the bottom of the barrel.


Shooting over my bow is by definition shooting "at" me. You can claim you were firing a warning shot but the prosecutor will claim that you missed.

Do you ever travel to Ohio? If so, I would love to give you the opportunity to insult me to my face.

 

[Mike Blake]

Unless the cops, CG or anyone else with authority see's you do it no case my friend. Do you drive a Prius?

 

[Mike Blake]

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preposition 1. (used to indicate a point or place occupied in space); in, on, or near: to stand at the door; at the bottom of the barrel.


Shooting over my bow is by definition shooting "at" me. You can claim you were firing a warning shot but the prosecutor will claim that you missed.

Do you ever travel to Ohio? If so, I would love to give you the opportunity to insult me to my face.

So that's that's kind of person you are . It would be fun to go there to do that. Not a problem but remember mess with the bull you get he horn's. Why don't you come to FL Would love to met you maybe even have a drink!! Besides it's warmer here and sound's like you need a break.