Luxury Cars Burning At Sea…

[jmauld]

I mean what features do you consider luxury features? It appears you mean the feel of the car? Have you been inside a Tesla to compare to the other brands?


This is a pretty good read on the formation of oil and coal by someone who knows more bout it then I do. I have never seen anyone argue that fossil fuels don’t come from plants and animals. This concept is a new one for me.
https://all-geo.org/metageologist/2019/10/how-oil-is-formed/

We’ve already established that politicians are liars. I would suggest that it might be in your favor to look at a product based on its merits and not what a liar in a suit says. You’re just giving them power by letting them control your purchasing decisions.

as for the price, way before Trump we have subsidized oil. What would be the price if we didn’t do that?

 

[highslice]

I mean what features do you consider luxury features? It appears you mean the feel of the car? Have you been inside a Tesla to compare to the other brands?


This is a pretty good read on the formation of oil and coal by someone who knows more bout it then I do. I have never seen anyone argue that fossil fuels don’t come from plants and animals. This concept is a new one for me.
https://all-geo.org/metageologist/2019/10/how-oil-is-formed/

We’ve already established that politicians are liars. I would suggest that it might be in your favor to look at a product based on its merits and not what a liar in a suit says. You’re just giving them power by letting them control your purchasing decisions.

as for the price, way before Trump we have subsidized oil. What would be the price if we didn’t do that?

I have been, it reminds of a Honda or GM car. Interesting article. So I guess there was a lot of peat in the Powder River Basin and in West Virginia. I don't know, I do like to play devil's advocate since the origin of oil is still theory and not "settled science". I do not let politicians control my purchase decisions. I will be the last adaptor of EVs, no matter what they say or do. I will hold on to my gas vehicles until they quit refining oil.

 

[highslice]

I mean what features do you consider luxury features? It appears you mean the feel of the car? Have you been inside a Tesla to compare to the other brands?


This is a pretty good read on the formation of oil and coal by someone who knows more bout it then I do. I have never seen anyone argue that fossil fuels don’t come from plants and animals. This concept is a new one for me.
https://all-geo.org/metageologist/2019/10/how-oil-is-formed/

We’ve already established that politicians are liars. I would suggest that it might be in your favor to look at a product based on its merits and not what a liar in a suit says. You’re just giving them power by letting them control your purchasing decisions.

as for the price, way before Trump we have subsidized oil. What would be the price if we didn’t do that?

On another note, lets say I as well as the group of scientists that believe oil is not formed from decaying/heated biomass and the author is completely correct in his theory, which I guess is the prevailing theory, is 100% correct. That still means oil is a renewable resource. Doesn't that make it "green" energy?

 

[jmauld]

On another note, lets say I as well as the group of scientists that believe oil is not formed from decaying/heated biomass and the author is completely correct in his theory, which I guess is the prevailing theory, is 100% correct. That still means oil is a renewable resource. Doesn't that make it "green" energy?

I’m still curious what does this group of scientist theorize that it comes from?

And now you’re trying to lead me down a path of arguing about carbon store and the negatives of releasing energy that has been stored for years, when we have plenty of active energy from the sun. I’m not going down that road with you guys.

I purchased an EV because I like the car and the convenience of not having to stop at a gas station every week. Bonus that I won’t be burning russian oil.

 

[highslice]

I’m still curious what does this group of scientist theorize that it comes from?

And now you’re trying to lead me down a path of arguing about carbon store and the negatives of releasing energy that has been stored for years, when we have plenty of active energy from the sun. I’m not going down that road with you guys.

I purchased an EV because I like the car and the convenience of not having to stop at a gas station every week. Bonus that I won’t be burning russian oil.

WTF are you rambling on about? Nobody is leading you anywhere. My point about the carbon stores in the core of the earth was to show that it is plausible that carbon energy can come from places besides decaying plants and animals. And Yay, you aren't burning Russian oil. But I am sure you are using Chinese solar panels and Chinese lithium for your batteries, about the same. SMH. And I already told you my theory, so reread the posts as necessary.

I had no F'n idea that you had an EV, nor do I care. I don't and won't, I like gas stations.

 

[jmauld]

When most people mention the carbon store conversation it is in regards to releasing stored energy into the atmosphere. I assumed that’s where you were headed since you went off on global warming.

I don’t have solar panels. Other than a solar charger on my CC to keep the starter battery topped off. Teslas are currently the most American made cars

 

[highslice]

When most people mention the carbon store conversation it is in regards to releasing stored energy into the atmosphere. I assumed that’s where you were headed since you went off on global warming.

I don’t have solar panels. Other than a solar charger on my CC to keep the starter battery topped off.

Dude, you have to keep up. It's called climate change now since the "warming" has all but stopped (uh oh, can you say "ice age"). I prefer to maximize my carbon foot print, since it doesn't really matter in the grand scheme, but drives libtards nuts. And I did not "go off" on climate change, I simply said that the climate changes and we have no effect on that. We are just along for the ride.

 

[Woody]

I’m still curious what does this group of scientist theorize that it comes from?

And now you’re trying to lead me down a path of arguing about carbon store and the negatives of releasing energy that has been stored for years, when we have plenty of active energy from the sun. I’m not going down that road with you guys.

I purchased an EV because I like the car and the convenience of not having to stop at a gas station every week. Bonus that I won’t be burning russian oil.

Ya' see, you don't have to know that...but it's kinda like throwing a bag of flower and some yeast in the oven and out comes a loaf of bread.

 

[jmauld]

But I am sure you are using Chinese solar panels and Chinese lithium for your batteries, about the same.

I don't and won't, I like gas stations.

Okay, I have to ask, what do you “like” about gas stations?

You also made me curious about the solar panels, and apparently you can get American made solar panels.


I would be more interested in solar, if I didn’t get my power from nuclear. Harder to get cleaner than that.

Here is a list of companies with solar panels made in the U.S.A. in 2020:

• Heliene – Mountain Iron, MN (U.S. manufacturing facility)
• Mission Solar – San Antonio, TX
• Seraphim – Jackson, MS (U.S. headquarters)
• Silfab Solar – Bellingham, WA (U.S. manufacturing facility)
• Solaria – Fremont, CA (U.S. headquarters)
• SolarTech Universal – Riviera Beach, FL
• SolarWorld Americas – Hillsboro, OR
• SunSpark – Riverside, CA
• Tesla/Panasonic – Buffalo, NY (U.S. manufacturing facility)

 

[sbw1]

Okay, I have to ask, what do you “like” about gas?

We gased up the Porsche today for a top down ride around the West Michigan back roads. It cost $60 bucks and some change. First time I have put $60 of gas in a p car. It used to cost 29 to 35 bucks. What is this world coming to? We did meet some nice folks at a small time diner in Coopersville so there is hope.

 

[sbw1]

I'll bite, but I don't mean this as a flame, rather a discussion where I can learn.

I currently drive a Wrangler, so I don't really know much about luxury, or to be frank, don't really give a shit about it either. But what do you consider luxury?

I have driven about every cheap car and American luxury car that has been built. In my younger days I commuted in a Ford Pinto that I bought new and put 75000 miles on before I sold it to a millionaire for his grand kids to trash. I owned one other after that. Also a Chevy Vega. So I understand the base line of American cars. Drove a Fiat 125 convertible and get what Italian junk is like. Owned a Ford Falcon and several Chevy Caprices, Olds Cutlasses, 88s, and a 98. It was was the 98 that pushed me over the edge. Never again a GM car. Since then, Hondas, Acuras, Audis and Porsches. The Hondas are wonderful. Great value and reliability. The Audis and Porsche handle well. There is nothing better than a Porsche for daily driving and going to the race track on the week end. This level of luxury is palpable. Still, the Pintos were absolutely reliable and a great value as long as you did not get rear ended. Those accidents did not end well.

 

[highslice]

I have driven about every cheap car and American luxury car that has been built. In my younger days I commuted in a Ford Pinto that I bought new and put 75000 miles on before I sold it to a millionaire for his grand kids to trash. I owned one other after that. Also a Chevy Vega. So I understand the base line of American cars. Drove a Fiat 125 convertible and get what Italian junk is like. Owned a Ford Falcon and several Chevy Caprices, Olds Cutlasses, 88s, and a 98. It was was the 98 that pushed me over the edge. Never again a GM car. Since then, Hondas, Acuras, Audis and Porsches. The Hondas are wonderful. Great value and reliability. The Audis and Porsche handle well. There is nothing better than a Porsche for daily driving and going to the race track on the week end. This level of luxury is palpable. Still, the Pintos were absolutely reliable and a great value as long as you did not get rear ended. Those accidents did not end well.

Pinto, LOL. My dad bought one slighty used as a 3rd car for my brother and sister. We owned it for 3 years, until the floor rusted out on the driver's side. At that point we referred to it as the Fred Flintstone car. I still laugh at the "fix" for the rear end accident problem. It was a piece of plexiglass mounted between the gas tank and the solid rear bumper. The bumper was mounted to the sheet metal with large self tapping bolts. The end of those bolts were a couple inches from the gas tank, so when you got rear-ended the bolts would pierce the tank and...boom, you're dead. Never thought a piece of plexiglass would stop the bolts.

It was a 94 Ford Explorer that ended my relationship with American cars. We had Nissans for awhile, switched to Honda and are currently on a run of Mazdas with one BMW for good measure. All very reliable, which is important as we put 25,000+ mes/year on our vehicles. .

 

[highslice]

Okay, I have to ask, what do you “like” about gas stations?

You also made me curious about the solar panels, and apparently you can get American made solar panels.


I would be more interested in solar, if I didn’t get my power from nuclear. Harder to get cleaner than that.

Here is a list of companies with solar panels made in the U.S.A. in 2020:

• Heliene – Mountain Iron, MN (U.S. manufacturing facility)
• Mission Solar – San Antonio, TX
• Seraphim – Jackson, MS (U.S. headquarters)
• Silfab Solar – Bellingham, WA (U.S. manufacturing facility)
• Solaria – Fremont, CA (U.S. headquarters)
• SolarTech Universal – Riviera Beach, FL
• SolarWorld Americas – Hillsboro, OR
• SunSpark – Riverside, CA
• Tesla/Panasonic – Buffalo, NY (U.S. manufacturing facility)

I'll stipulate that there are US manufacturers, but the rare earth elements they require are mostly from China.

And I agree on nuclear, cleanest option. Well unless you're Russian.

 

[highslice]

I’m still curious what does this group of scientist theorize that it comes from?
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Read the article.