Luxury Cars Burning At Sea…

[kevin27]

 

[jmauld]

If you think EV’s are not pollution monsters your are just wrong…

I didn’t say they don’t have pollution. Let’s just try to be a bit realistic. If you’re going to point at a car fire as a source of pollution, that’s not really an accurate reason to criticize EVs considering that even with a car fire they still pollute less than a gasoline car.

I’m not even sure why I bother here. Some of you guys will just smear anything that you don’t agree with regardless of how petty it is.

 

[jmauld]

I am struggling to believe this. Sounds like the same people counting Covid deaths are counting the fires.

I thought the same at first as well. But that’s actually a really small percentage of the vehicles on the road. The majority of fires are caused by accidents (Regardless of power source) and there are over 17,000 accidents per day.

 

[jmauld]

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That’s a good thing isn’t it?.
Electricity can be produced by a number of sources.

Coal, nuclear, natural gas, gas, diesel, hydrogen fuel cells, corn, wind, solar, dams, take your pick.

How many sources can ICE cars utilize?

If you care about energy independence which one gives you the most freedom to choose?

In the not too distant future you will see EV charger stations that are supplementary powered by hydrogen.

 

[firecadet613]

Ask a firefighter what they think of electric vehicles...

 

[ttmott]

I can't seem to understand why we are so polarized that it's either EV or Petro. There is market, demand, and use for both right? Who knows what the future brings - the market may drive us economically to EV or other technologies; it is about cost, demand, and availability to the consumer. The last thing we need is our governmental fools artificially driving us one way or the other. @jmauld - you do know that today Hydrogen requires significantly more energy to produce than it provides right? Any combustion process emits NOx compounds which should be more of a concern than CO2; hydrogen is particularly bad.

 

[jmauld]

Ask a firefighter what they think of electric vehicles...

The vast majority of fire fighters have never even seen an EV fire. People are always scared of new technology. The firefighters will adapt to EVs, and in a few years, they will understand how to deal with them.

 

[jmauld]

I can't seem to understand why we are so polarized that it's either EV or Petro. There is market, demand, and use for both right? Who knows what the future brings - the market may drive us economically to EV or other technologies; it is about cost, demand, and availability to the consumer. The last thing we need is our governmental fools artificially driving us one way or the other. @jmauld - you do know that today Hydrogen requires significantly more energy to produce than it provides right? Any combustion process emits NOx compounds which should be more of a concern than CO2; hydrogen is particularly bad.

To be clear. I like EVs for their power and convenience. If I really cared about pollution I wouldn’t own a fiberglass boat with three gasoline motors. I’m just disputing the memes because they’re misplaced. Also, I though hydrogen was a republican buzzword, so I was using that as an example. https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/energy/a926/4199381/
I don’t really follow politics that much though.


I agree with you I don’t know why so many people will let a politician have this kind of control of their lives. The truth is, if we don’t want to be dependent on oil, we need to utilize all of our energy sources. Not just one. That doesn’t mean getting rid of oil or gas cars. It just means giving us more choices.

 

[jmauld]

The other significant thing about the hydrogen supplemented chargers is that there is an argument to be made that we should also invest in hydrogen powered cars. But it’s really difficult to do that when there is far less infrastructure to support that then either gas or EV. Building that infrastructure behind the scenes might let us take another look at hydrogen cars in the future,

 

[villain style]

Lithium batteries ignite so quickly and burn so violently that you cannot extinguish them. Here is a scooter that catches fire and they barely make it out of the apartment.
You could only imagine the energy release from a hybrid or electric vehicle battery.

My neighbor's son used a Lithium battery pack for recharging his Iphone. It caught on fire and burned the house down. They burn so fast and spin and fly causing fire to spread fast. It was purchased off Amazon and made in China. Fireman said they have seen this too many times..

 

[jmauld]

My neighbor's son used a Lithium battery pack for recharging his Iphone. It caught on fire and burned the house down. They burn so fast and spin and fly causing fire to spread fast. It was purchased off Amazon and made in China. Fireman said they have seen this too many times..

What specific kind of lithium battery and bms was used in that made in china battery pack? Seems like you guys are REALLY concerned about made in china products that have no 3rd party oversight. If you’re going to make a stand, at least know what you’re standing against.

 

[jmauld]

I'm curious if you guys realize that the vast majority of you have had "lithium batteries" hiding in your house for 20+ years?

 

[Espos4]

What specific kind of lithium battery and bms was used in that made in china battery pack? Seems like you guys are REALLY concerned about made in china products that have no 3rd party oversight. If you’re going to make a stand, at least know what you’re standing against.

I think we’ve all made the same point…….
Poor quality products with no oversight

 

[MonacoMike]

I thought the same at first as well. But that’s actually a really small percentage of the vehicles on the road. The majority of fires are caused by accidents (Regardless of power source) and there are over 17,000 accidents per day.

I think you are correct in this assessment. The part that scares people about EV’s is they catch fire just sitting charging. While true, gas powered cars also catch fire “charging” the time charging window is exponentially smaller…

 

[jmauld]

I think you are correct in this assessment. The part that scares people about EV’s is they catch fire just sitting charging. While true, gas powered cars also catch fire “charging” the time charging window is exponentially smaller…

That’s true. But it’s not as common as you feel it is. Do a search for the total number of fires while charging. You will find that you have been misled.

Now do a search for boat explosions while refueling.

 

[MonacoMike]

If you’re going to point at a car fire as a source of pollution, that’s not really an accurate reason to criticize EVs considering that even with a car fire they still pollute less than a gasoline car.

Actually I read a study about twenty years ago that did an in depth look at ALL pollution created from the building and running 250,000 miles of a Prius vs Suburban. This included every drop of oil, fuel, belts, tires, and of course batteries, chargers, etc.

In the end a reasonable interpretation was the Prius created much more toxic pollution than a Suburban did over that life span.

Funny thing, in a world where everything one puts on the internet is permanent, that study cannot be found, by me anyway. Wish I had saved a hard copy…

 

[jmauld]

That study was found to be false. And trust me. I hate a Prius just as much as you do

 

[MonacoMike]

I can't seem to understand why we are so polarized that it's either EV or Petro.

The last thing we need is our governmental fools artificially driving us one way or the other.

You really are good, you ask and answer your own question.

The polarization is because it us being forced onto us.

 

[jmauld]

You really are good, you ask and answer your own question.

The polarization is because it us being forced onto us.

You don’t have to actually listen to them. You also know that the republicans will nix that program the next time they are in office. So it’s a moot point anyway.

 

[MonacoMike]

That study was found to be false. And trust me. I hate a Prius just as much as you do

Of course it was. I’ll bet the author was offered a $10 million dollar research grant to bury it…