Cummins Gauges

SKybolt said:
To @alnav Al's point, Garmin does not use the trip PGN 127496/7 for fuel info, only PGN 127489 for fuel flow and 127505 for fuel level, only for display. Not quite sure what Garmin is/was thinking not supporting fuel management but they don't really do that even though they have a screen just for that. They could have at least looked at 127505 for fuel level and remaining calculations. This is one of the only bad things I can say about the newer MFD's.

Here is a reference for the PGN's
https://continuouswave.com/whaler/reference/PGN.html
https://www.nmea.org/Assets/20151026 nmea 2000 pgn_website_description_list.pdf

127496 Vessel Trip Fuel Consumption
127497 Engine Trip Fuel Consumption
127505 Fluid Level (pg 122 of Garmin manual)

Garmin PGN list Pg 183
https://www8.garmin.com/manuals/webhelp/gpsmap8400-8600/EN-US/GPSMAP_84xx-86xx-87xx_OM_EN-US.pdf
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I suspect they may have gone in this direction due to the general unreliability of boat fuel gauges. I can get a 25% change in fuel level depending on whether I am on plane or not. I actually like that Garmin is only decrementing fuel state via consumption and I've found the Garmin calculation to be pretty accurate. I do wish they had more user input available such as being able include a generator fuel consumption factor.
 
alnav said:
I suspect they may have gone in this direction due to the general unreliability of boat fuel gauges. I can get a 25% change in fuel level depending on whether I am on plane or not. I actually like that Garmin is only decrementing fuel state via consumption and I've found the Garmin calculation to be pretty accurate. I do wish they had more user input available such as being able include a generator fuel consumption factor.
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I should have added that I have a DSM410 Fuel Management page that uses tank level data to calculate fuel remaining and distance to empty, providing another data point to compare with the Garmin calculation.
 
alnav said:
I should have added that I have a DSM410 Fuel Management page that uses tank level data to calculate fuel remaining and distance to empty, providing another data point to compare with the Garmin calculation.
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Same here, I use the Maretron info for that as well. Very accurate system, without fuel flow data, it can still calculate almost to the gallon on remaining fuel left. Well it does report to the gallon, I just haven't tested it on remaining. But on fill ups it does prove put perfectly.

I still think Garmin could have come up with something to fill in the blanks they left and don't support currently.
 
Damn I wish I was as IT as you guys are. My guy worked on it again today as I sat and watched. He called Mercury tech support about it. The guy told him he needed to order a vessel view link and it would all work, the guy did not hesitate what so ever. Gave my guy the part number and he is ordering. The saga continues.
 
RBB said:
Damn I wish I was as IT as you guys are. My guy worked on it again today as I sat and watched. He called Mercury tech support about it. The guy told him he needed to order a vessel view link and it would all work, the guy did not hesitate what so ever. Gave my guy the part number and he is ordering. The saga continues.
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Hopefully also the correct wiring harnesses. There are a couple if I recall. I suspect you intend to keep the Diesel View? I would re-think that strategy and move right to the vessel view and not get the Link; your Diesel View is getting long in the tooth and you'll probably end up buying a VV sooner or later.
However, If you do end up with the VV you will have to deal with the generator's data as it will be unavailable.
 
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ttmott said:
Hopefully also the correct wiring harnesses. There are a couple if I recall. I suspect you intend to keep the Diesel View? I would re-think that strategy and move right to the vessel view and not get the Link; your Diesel View is getting long in the tooth and you'll probably end up buying a VV sooner or later.
However, If you do end up with the VV you will have to deal with the generator's data as it will be unavailable.
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will the vessel view give me fuel burn and range numbers? I am worried the Axiom won't communicate the speed and location back to the diesel view so it can still calculate those numbers
 
RBB said:
will the vessel view give me fuel burn and range numbers? I am worried the Axiom won't communicate the speed and location back to the diesel view so it can still calculate those numbers
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I am unsure what the Axiom will provide on fuel management calcs. Garmin struggles but as you can see in this conversation there is data.
My VV provides all of the data I need; here is one of two data pages -
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ttmott said:
I am unsure what the Axiom will provide on fuel management calcs. Garmin struggles but as you can see in this conversation there is data.
My VV provides all of the data I need; here is one of two data pages -
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i may just go ahead and buy one. I appreciate your input sir.
 
RBB said:
i may just go ahead and buy one. I appreciate your input sir.
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Yea and it has the NMEA 2000 port on the back so it can read and display much of the data on my network (trim tabs, depth, and a plethora of other data). Plus it converts the Smartcraft data to NMEA 2000 format and puts that data on the NMEA network so your other displays can see it like engine oil pressure, coolant temp, RPM's, Fuel levels, and much much more. The only down side is the loss of the generator's data.

The only thing I would add is nobody, not even Mercury understands the wire harnesses required to get it all integrated and operational..... It's a shot in the dark that it works out of the box and you have all of the harnesses you need. It kinda boggles the mind...
 
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This *MAY* help

The mercury support guys were very helpful and gave me the following:


Rigging VV Primary Harness nd VV4 Harness.jpg
VV primary Harness.png
Adding Link Gauges to vv703.jpg
VV4 Harness.png
 
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ttmott said:
Hopefully also the correct wiring harnesses. There are a couple if I recall. I suspect you intend to keep the Diesel View? I would re-think that strategy and move right to the vessel view and not get the Link; your Diesel View is getting long in the tooth and you'll probably end up buying a VV sooner or later.
However, If you do end up with the VV you will have to deal with the generator's data as it will be unavailable.
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I ordered the VV703 will have next week. Actually a kit. part #8M0124496
I hope it has everything We will need.Couple Questions sir?
1 Do i still need the diesel view to drive the analog gauges?
2. will generator info show on VV?
3. Does VV show fuel burn and range?
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RBB said:
@Shaps is your VV giving you everything I ask above.
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pretty sure my vv703 gives fuel burn and range along w economy, etc. A ton of stuff.
As said above, there is more work to be done to have your generator info available. A few threads on here on how to do it. Several have done it successfully.

Please see my post above about the primary harness and the vv4 harness(1 is required)

Post your progress. Good luck!
 
Shaps said:
pretty sure my vv703 gives fuel burn and range along w economy, etc. A ton of stuff.
As said above, there is more work to be done to have your generator info available. A few threads on here on how to do it. Several have done it successfully.

Please see my post above about the primary harness and the vv4 harness(1 is required)

Post your progress. Good luck!
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will do, and thank u sir. I am using a installer but he has been unable to get it done by talking to Raymarine and mercury
 
RBB said:
will do, and thank u sir. I am using a installer but he has been unable to get it done by talking to Raymarine and mercury
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Just to be super clear, you will need a primary harness AND a vesselview 4 harness.

The difference between the 2 vv4 harnesses is just the end that plugs into the VesselView Link(that is the black box in the picture you posted). One has a straight plug and the other a 90 degree bend.

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if you haven't read through this thread, you should, but if nothing else this is where i posted some pics of the vv703 install

http://www.clubsearay.com/index.php...vessel-view-upgrade.96502/page-7#post-1247095
 
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Shaps said:
Just to be super clear, you will need a primary harness AND a vesselview 4 harness.

The difference between the 2 vv4 harnesses is just the end that plugs into the VesselView Link(that is the black box in the picture you posted). One has a straight plug and the other a 90 degree bend.
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Do u know the part number sir?
 
RBB said:
I ordered the VV703 will have next week. Actually a kit. part #8M0124496
I hope it has everything We will need.Couple Questions sir?
1 Do i still need the diesel view to drive the analog gauges?
2. will generator info show on VV?
3. Does VV show fuel burn and range?
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What I don't see in these harness' are the Link gauge data interfaces. There should be four plugs for up to 4 engine gauge sets. I would have that conversation with Mercury before purchasing.
 
I am not very technical on electronics
 
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