And So The Journey Begins

I have a Silverton...the deck area drains into a pipe that is connected to a thru-hull. Check to see if it's connected or leaking.
 
Mine also drains overboard with the exception of the step area (a step down into the cabin) which drains directly into my bilge.
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The same as my tug does.
 
JimG said:
All that I have seen go through the hull. The two SR I've had have a gutter around the engine hatch with a drain hosed to a thru-hull fitting.
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Yes, my boat has two scuppers on each lip that go overboard. This is a VERY weak point in the design. When *washing* the boat, it is not uncommon for water to overwhelm the scuppers and overflow the lip into the bilge.

I don't go into the ocean much; mostly bay cruising. If I was a regular ocean traveller; I would really, really be concerned about the effects of a wave going into the cockpit.
 
comsnark said:
Yes, my boat has two scuppers on each lip that go overboard. This is a VERY weak point in the design. When *washing* the boat, it is not uncommon for water to overwhelm the scuppers and overflow the lip into the bilge.

I don't go into the ocean much; mostly bay cruising. If I was a regular ocean traveller; I would really, really be concerned about the effects of a wave going into the cockpit.
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Ahhhh

I have the same thing on my engine bay doors. A small lip that drains to a fitting in the back and then overboard. I can see where if you have an enormous amount of water coming in how it could overwhelm the channel and start flooding your bilge.
 
I traced out the piping on both small deck drains in the rear cockpit area and both drain directly into the engine compartment bilge. There are no scuppers on the boat that I could find. I had a marine technician take a look at them as well and he came up with the same finding as me. A really bad design flaw in my boat that really makes it only suitable for calm water cruising. But then many would say that planning hulled boats are not suitable for open ocean cruising anyway. I tend to agree with them as a displacement hull is a lot more stable in ocean conditions IMO.
 
Thats wierd ,my silverton had side exiting through hulls and deep (at least 1 inch ) troughs ,my bilge was always dry exept a bit of splash when really hosing her down hard.
 
My 300 DA has both the engine hatch gutter drains and two large deck drians that go directly overboard.
 
Sorry for your misery.

Any chance your incompetent surveyor was in cahoots with the seller?
 
beernutz said:
Sorry for your misery.

Any chance your incompetent surveyor was in cahoots with the seller?
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My gut feeling is they were not in cahoots with each other. I actually think the brokerage have tried their best to help me through this and it was they that insisted that I don't buy the boat when the seller wanted me to take it without a survey.

They insisted that the seller should abide by a survey and he relented to that.

The fact that the surveyor failed to pick up many things is pretty indicative of most surveyors I have found. Their fine print usually states something like all care taken but no guarrantees that items works as they should etc.

Makes a bit of a joke of what a survey is for really.
 
Paulkarlsven said:
My gut feeling is they were not in cahoots with each other. I actually think the brokerage have tried their best to help me through this and it was they that insisted that I don't buy the boat when the seller wanted me to take it without a survey.

They insisted that the seller should abide by a survey and he relented to that.

The fact that the surveyor failed to pick up many things is pretty indicative of most surveyors I have found. Their fine print usually states something like all care taken but no guarrantees that items works as they should etc.

Makes a bit of a joke of what a survey is for really.
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Paul,
I feel the same way about Home Inspections here. I have bought and sold a few houses over the years and every "inspector" basically turns on the appliances, flushes the toilets with the water running and looks in the attic for water stains! This is very basic stuff.
Now I know they can't be expected to catch all of the stuff on a big home but, c'mon! They also have the same fine print in their contracts. I think that is to cover them from some unforseen problem that arises but, I don't think that relieves them of negligence and I believe that your surveyor was negligent! I think you could make a case out of this if you so wish!

Disclaimer: This has just been my personal experience with home inspections. I do not wish to indict the whole industry. So, if you are a home inspector please don't take this as a personal attack......unless of course you did an inspection on one of my homes!!:grin:
 
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AKBASSKING said:
Ahhhh

I have the same thing on my engine bay doors. A small lip that drains to a fitting in the back and then overboard. I can see where if you have an enormous amount of water coming in how it could overwhelm the channel and start flooding your bilge.
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Paulkarlsven said:
I traced out the piping on both small deck drains in the rear cockpit area and both drain directly into the engine compartment bilge. There are no scuppers on the boat that I could find. I had a marine technician take a look at them as well and he came up with the same finding as me. A really bad design flaw in my boat that really makes it only suitable for calm water cruising. But then many would say that planning hulled boats are not suitable for open ocean cruising anyway. I tend to agree with them as a displacement hull is a lot more stable in ocean conditions IMO.
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I must admit, I didn't even realize this aspect of the design until spring commissioning two years into ownership; when I was washing the cockpit on the hard with the engine hatch open.

Looking at the full design; with two bilge pumps and only a limited opening to get into the scupper and lip area; I don't fear for my life. BUT by the same token I definately would cite this as one of many reasons NOT to be in heavy seas with my boat. Makes me shudder to think about the old "22 bowrider to the bahamas" thread.


tdschafer said:
Paul,
I feel the same way about Home Inspections here. I have bought and sold a few houses over the years and every "inspector" basically turns on the appliances, flushes the toilets with the water running and looks in the attic for water stains! This is very basic stuff.
Now I know they can't be expected to catch all of the stuff on a big home but, c'mon! They also have the same fine print in their contracts. I think that is to cover them from some unforseen problem that arises but, I don't think that relieves them of negligence and I believe that your surveyor was negligent! I think you could make a case out of this if you so wish!
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There is some merit to this. At this point in my boat ownership, I could easily spot ALL the issues my original surveyor came up with (except for the moisture measurement aspect), plus several he did not.

BUT I gotta tell you. . when I bought the boat, I sure as heck didn't know anything and I was very glad to get the second opinion. I learned alot that day, and often refered to the survey in my first two years of ownership.

Not to mention the issue of needing a survey to get insurance. I know some people don't require surveys. . .but everyone *I* called wanted that document.

So there are pluses and minuses. For a big ticket item; I would still opt for full surveys.
 
When I bought my 390 last spring, I went with a surveyor that supposedly had a sterling reputation. A reputation apparently isn't worth much. To make a long story short, when all was said and done (after I'd bought the boat), I got the full price of my survey plus some screw you money back from my surveyor. I have no use for them and wouldn't have one if the insurance companies didn't force me to.
 
Well I heard from the business that is fixing the genset and they tell me that for some reason the starter motor did not disengauge and effectively it destroyed itself. The only saving grace in this is that they were able to get the starter motor off without removing the genset from the boat. At least that saved me the cost of crane hire X 2.

The bad news is that Kohler want $1600.00 for a new starter motor. The repairer told them that their price was a joke and they are sending the old starter motor out to be repaired, it needs to be rewound etc.

I just want to get this all fixed and completed so I can get the boat marketed properly. I don't want to get people interested in it and then have the broker say things like Öh, the genset is broken at the moment and so is this and that."

You only get one bite of the cherry so to speak and I want a prospective buyer to hear nothing but positive stuff about the boat.
 
It has gone on the market down here for $139K ono which makes it the cheapest 36' on the lot. I hope it does not take too long to sell it, the closest one to it in price is a Mustang 3800 SE that is $169K.
 
I noted that some people made comments on the road I was traveling on during my journey so I thought you might like to actually see what our major highways are like. Forget the Interstates that you have in the USA our major remote area highways are only two lanes, that is one lane in each direction and they can be as straight as a gun barrel.

[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vHL5-F0G4s[/YOUTUBE]
 
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Ok ,what is the speed limit on the open roads? PS: your driving on the wrong side of the road.Actually i've driven a few mini pu trucks with left steering and it is wierd.
 
1956olds said:
Ok ,what is the speed limit on the open roads? PS: your driving on the wrong side of the road.Actually i've driven a few mini pu trucks with left steering and it is wierd.
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In NSW and S.A. the limit is 110 km/h but in the Northern Territory where I live the limit is 130 km/h. We have a lot of left hand drive cars on the road here in the NT as there is a joint US/Australian defence base here which is where I work.
 
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