"What is wrong" was already asked....

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  1. scoflaw

    scoflaw Well-Known Member

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    Agree, If he was doing time for assault, I'm sure it was a felony conviction.

    What state allows felons to carry ? He was probably well known to police as well.

    So the cops see a convicted felon with a gun in his hand. mmm. Just a guess
     
  2. Gofirstclass

    Gofirstclass Well-Known Member GOLD Sponsor

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    From the article Woody linked to:
    "He said he was able to grab the handgun, then leave through a side door that led to the cafeteria. Holding the gun upside down — and clutching it with both hands — he said it was there that he encountered an officer with a rifle who told him to drop the weapon.

    "I started bending down to put it on the ground," Garces said. "I didn't want to drop it. It would go off. That's when he shot me."

    Somewhere, at some point, this guy who got shot must have heard something about when the policeman with the gun tells you to do something, you do it. DOH!!
     
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  3. scoflaw

    scoflaw Well-Known Member

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    "Garces went for his weapon" Doesn't make it crystal clear who's weapon it was. I assumed it was jailbirds
     
  4. Gofirstclass

    Gofirstclass Well-Known Member GOLD Sponsor

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    Yeah, that article was not clearly written.
     
  5. Woody

    Woody Well-Known Member

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    Did you read it all?

    Tony Garces was still reeling from his injuries on Tuesday, nearly two weeks after he disarmed a possible church shooter in Amarillo, Texas and was then shot by police…..On the morning of Feb. 14 Garces wrestled a handgun away from a man who had entered the chapel at Faith City Mission and threatened to hold church attendees hostage….But a responding officer fired at Garces, striking him twice, once in the back and once above his collar bone….the Amarillo Police Department appeared to confirm Garces' account, saying an initial investigation determined that police fired at a man who'd disarmed a would-be hostage taker in a church with 100 people in its chapel
     
  6. Woody

    Woody Well-Known Member

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  7. scoflaw

    scoflaw Well-Known Member

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    OK Woody, so what's the point your trying to make ? Yup, we have a boatload of crazy murderers in the country. We all know that.

    One of your previous posts said to ban assault rifles and high capacity mags. Doesn't look like that would have solved the last 2 articles you posted. Appears though you have your teeth into this issue. Keep it coming
     
  8. Gofirstclass

    Gofirstclass Well-Known Member GOLD Sponsor

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    Woody, I can't fault the cops. They responded to the church on some kind of a "man with a gun" call. Given the high number of copy cat incidents around the country following the shooting in FL, you can bet they were on high alert and tense.

    So they show up, see a man with a gun, tell him to drop the weapon and he doesn't. Well the outcome to that scenario is going to happen that way just about every time.

    As to your post #126,
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  9. Woody

    Woody Well-Known Member

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    I've never said to ban assault rifles. Did you read the link in post #126?
     
  10. Woody

    Woody Well-Known Member

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    By your response it doesn't look like you even read the link in post #126.
     
  11. Gofirstclass

    Gofirstclass Well-Known Member GOLD Sponsor

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    Woody, you stumped me. In my post #128 I was referring to the man in the church that was shot by the cop when he didn't drop the gun when ordered.

    Your post in #126 linked to an article about a serial killer in Kansas City, MO.

    Am I missing a link between those two totally unrelated incidents?
     
  12. Woody

    Woody Well-Known Member

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    Both are related to what we're discussing in this thread. The first one was a comment on adding more guns to the schools, especially when you add late to the game police that are 'tense'.
    This is the last paragraph of the serial killer article. See the connection?

    Following Scott’s arrest, local news outlets dug up his alleged past threats regarding race. In 2014, Scott was a student at an alternative school when he allegedly threatened to “shoot the school up, Columbine-style.” According to municipal court documents, he also spoke of wanting to kill himself and to “kill all white people.”
     
  13. Boater420

    Boater420 Well-Known Member

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    Except he did try to drop the gun, but he wasn't fast enough for the overly tense cop who shot him in the back anyway.

    Point being there's no way in hell I'd ever want to be a teacher with a handgun in a school.
     
  14. Woody

    Woody Well-Known Member

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  15. Gofirstclass

    Gofirstclass Well-Known Member GOLD Sponsor

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    Woody, I'm not sure I'm following your linking of the article about Locklear to this thread.

    If you're saying the cops were wrong to search her house please consider these things:
    -Ms. Locklear has a long history of drug and alcohol abuse and mental instability. This has been widely displayed by her for years.
    -On the night the cops arrested her she fought with them and said the next time they came to her house she would shoot them.
    -there is/was a firearm registered to her.
    -the cops had to complete an affidavit wherein they presented their "case" to get the search warrant, then had to present that to a judge before getting the warrant.
    -the judge issued the warrant and they searched her house.

    So, back to your providing this link, am I missing something here? Are you saying the cops were justified in getting the warrant and searching her house or were they in error?
     
  16. Woody

    Woody Well-Known Member

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    Think about how this could be related to the subject of this thread.

    The local Florida authorities at one point had said they couldn't do anything because 'Cruz' hadn't done anything wrong yet. They knew about his threats.

    The serial killer made threats to 'shoot up his school', to 'kill all white people', the authorities were aware of it. Nothing was done.

    If the police can go after the actress because of her threats, why not the crazies threatening to shoot up schools?
     
  17. Gofirstclass

    Gofirstclass Well-Known Member GOLD Sponsor

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    Aha, now I see your connection and I agree with you. It appears that in both cases you mentioned that the cops and mental health authorities dropped the ball. Completely.

    I hope they (cops and MH authorities) learn from their errors and omissions.
     
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  18. scoflaw

    scoflaw Well-Known Member

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  19. bajturner

    bajturner Member GOLD Sponsor

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    I am aware that is a founding principle...I was wondering how real this purpose is really still believed to be.

    I don't quite understand the sentence quoted above. In the first part I think you are saying that based on the history of past governments and rulers on Earth, all future governments everywhere will eventually become tyrannical, and this extrapolation would be obvious to anyone that has studied history, but preposterous to anyone that hasn't.

    I am not sure what you are saying with the second part: "as I can see with the stability of your government." Are you saying it is stable and the government has learned from history, or it isn't stable and hasn't learned? I don't see the attempted point being made.

    Without studying history overly far back, deeply, or broadly, one could easily contend that societies on Earth as a whole have vastly improved over the ages. There are still some backwards ones that refuse to move forward, and the reading audience can conclude for themselves which ones they are, yet there are others that have actually progressed well beyond their flawed roots with proper vision and leadership.
     
  20. UnleashedBeast

    UnleashedBeast Member

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    You, nor I, will live long enough to see America buckle to tyranny. America is less than 300 years old, and look at the vast change of direction since its founding. The Roman empire fell hard after 500 years. Canada seems to be very stable, however I am not a citizen studying your politics. I could be wrong, it may be corrupt as our government.
     

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