What a positive COVID-19 test REALLY means

MonacoMike said:
So a guy with a hernia shouldn’t be able to get it fixed? Get a tumor removed? Bleeding ulcer repaired?
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During the six months prior to having my transplant and three months afterward, I lived with with a hernia that had been caused by the organ failure from the cancer. The surgeons wouldn't treat the hernia because doing so would have taken me off of the transplant list for six months while the body recuperated. So yes when the stakes are high enough you can live with a great many things.
 
Henry Boyd said:
During the six months prior to having my transplant and three months afterward, I lived with with a hernia that had been caused by the organ failure from the cancer. The surgeons wouldn't treat the hernia because doing so would have taken me off of the transplant list for six months while the body recuperated. So yes when the stakes are high enough you can live with a great many things.
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So just “who” gets to decide “when the stakes are high enough”?
 
Here is a training course about the intersection of the U.S. Constitution and Public Health Responses:
https://www.changelabsolutions.org/product/public-health-threats-us-constitution
"From communicable disease outbreaks (like the COVID-19 virus) to natural disasters (like  Hurricane Katrina), public health law plays a central role in keeping Americans safe and healthy in times of crisis. However, the US  Constitution requires that public health responses take into account the rights of individuals affected by emergencies. This training introduces the constitutional principles and doctrines that protect individual civil  liberties from government overreach. It explains what responders need to know about the law when  preparing for and responding to public health emergencies"

It's a pretty quick study, and seems to be very balanced. I would recommend it to anyone who wants to understand the relation of law to the pandemic response in a little more depth.
 
MonacoMike said:
So just “who” gets to decide “when the stakes are high enough”?
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You are correct. My rights were abused by those doctors who wouldn't give me a hernia operation because it would have postponed a life saving organ transplant by six months. Glad they did though because otherwise I would have missed the operation that saved my life.
 
MonacoMike said:
So a guy with a hernia shouldn’t be able to get it fixed? Get a tumor removed? Bleeding ulcer repaired?
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I said truly elective surgeries. If it's something I could live with for a while, I wouldn't be going anywhere near an infected hospital.
 
MonacoMike said:
So just “who” gets to decide “when the stakes are high enough”?
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Duh, obviously Gretchen Whitmer.

Actually, a good healthy discussion between doctor and patient would be nice, with some guidance from the specific hospital system.
 
alnav said:
Here is a training course about the intersection of the U.S. Constitution and Public Health Responses:
https://www.changelabsolutions.org/product/public-health-threats-us-constitution
"From communicable disease outbreaks (like the COVID-19 virus) to natural disasters (like  Hurricane Katrina), public health law plays a central role in keeping Americans safe and healthy in times of crisis. However, the US  Constitution requires that public health responses take into account the rights of individuals affected by emergencies. This training introduces the constitutional principles and doctrines that protect individual civil  liberties from government overreach. It explains what responders need to know about the law when  preparing for and responding to public health emergencies"

It's a pretty quick study, and seems to be very balanced. I would recommend it to anyone who wants to understand the relation of law to the pandemic response in a little more depth.
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https://www.influencewatch.org/non-profit/changelab-solutions/

Changelab Solutions (Changelab) is a non-profit think tank and activist organization that supports aggressive left-progressive policies in the name of public health. It brings together public health and medical and legal experts to research, write, and advocate to supplant individual decisions with government regulation.

 
Golfman25 said:
I said truly elective surgeries. If it's something I could live with for a while, I wouldn't be going anywhere near an infected hospital.
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In other discussions I have found that folks discuss elective as if it were cosmetic type, even though “elective” involves all surgeries that are not emergencies...
 
CaptRonn said:
https://www.influencewatch.org/non-profit/changelab-solutions/

Changelab Solutions (Changelab) is a non-profit think tank and activist organization that supports aggressive left-progressive policies in the name of public health. It brings together public health and medical and legal experts to research, write, and advocate to supplant individual decisions with government regulation.
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Back at you:
"Overall, we rate Influence Watch Right Biased based on the left-leaning sources they more frequently profile, as well as the use of loaded words such as “extremist” to describe liberal policy."
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/influence-watch/

I hope you watched the training anyway. All the information appears to be fact-based and verifiable, mostly from the US Constitution and SCOTUS decisions.
 
Henry Boyd said:
You are correct. My rights were abused by those doctors who wouldn't give me a hernia operation because it would have postponed a life saving organ transplant by six months. Glad they did though because otherwise I would have missed the operation that saved my life.
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Actually the government usurped none of your rights. It appears a choice was made that the transplant was decided to be more important than the hernia by you and your doctors. Just where is the heavy hand of government in this?
 
alnav said:
Back at you:
"Overall, we rate Influence Watch Right Biased based on the left-leaning sources they more frequently profile, as well as the use of loaded words such as “extremist” to describe liberal policy."
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/influence-watch/

I hope you watched the training anyway. All the information appears to be fact-based and verifiable, mostly from the US Constitution and SCOTUS decisions.
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Yea, I watched a bit, and what I saw was questionable. If someone is using that site as their reference for rights and public health they are being mislead.
 
MonacoMike said:
In other discussions I have found that folks discuss elective as if it were cosmetic type, even though “elective” involves all surgeries that are not emergencies...
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MonacoMike said:
Actually the government usurped none of your rights. It appears a choice was made that the transplant was decided to be more important than the hernia by you and your doctors. Just where is the heavy hand of government in this?
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I knew you knew the answer to your own question. Why did you ask it if you knew it?
 
MonacoMike said:
Always follow the money...
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EXACTLY. But follow the money-chasing on all sides, including the current administration that have an election coming. If you are concerned at all about getting rid of COVID as a priority, look outside of the US to see what other countries politicians and medical systems are doing and the advice they are giving. There is universal health care in most other developed countries. Their (including our) medical systems do not have the profit motive that the US system does. Look to other medical opinions, stats, strategies, that are not biased by US politics. Understand all sides and perspectives.
 
Creekwood said:
EXACTLY. But follow the money-chasing on all sides, including the current administration that have an election coming. If you are concerned at all about getting rid of COVID as a priority, look outside of the US to see what other countries politicians and medical systems are doing and the advice they are giving. There is universal health care in most other developed countries. Their (including our) medical systems do not have the profit motive that the US system does. Look to other medical opinions, stats, strategies, that are not biased by US politics. Understand all sides and perspectives.
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Follow the money goes all ways...

...including all of the scientists and researchers whose grants and incomes come from the government. Clearly not independent.
 
Henry Boyd said:
You rely on politicians for your medical advice?
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Maybe you can be happy with a dictator and unelected bureaucrats issuing edicts. I am not! We have elected representatives, let them do their jobs review the research presented by the scientists and make the decisions we elected them to do. There is an established process and that process is not being followed.
 
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