The official 2009 270DA ~ 2010 280DA thread

[Phil&Chris]

I'm still wrestling with the best way to put the boat name on the transom and still let it be seen when the canvas is installed. The only solution that I've come up with so far, is to also embroider the name on the stern section of canvas(since it attaches so low on the transom). I thought about cutting the canvas and attaching it higher(like most Sea Rays)but, the latches might get in the way when the storage panel is opened. My last boat had the name on the sides, but I would prefer the stern--any ideas? Cheers! Phil

 

[denizcan]

hi are there any advice how to change Sony cd player EU FM mode ?
Or how to find manual guide for COX-H905ip model ?

 

[Kaoru]

hi are there any advice how to change Sony cd player EU FM mode ?
Or how to find manual guide for COX-H905ip model ?

I assume you refer to the Sony CDX-H905IP which the following link allows the download of the manual.
Sony's eSupport site

Since Sony's manual are international, if there is a way to do what you want, it will be in the documentation.

Cheers,
Kaoru

 

[denizcan]

i downloads the manual but there wasnt any tip about it, but i call the Sea Ray dealer in Turkey and they advice that the reset button under the radio but before remove from after reset again .

 

[denizcan]

Hi guys
i need gelcoat for blue 2009 270
Can not find the product
the gelcoat number is

Part Number...: 1899162 GEL COAT, SEA RAY BLUE 952 LK 197
Supplier: COOK COMPOSITES AND POLYMERS C
Supplier Part#: 952LK197

Are there anybody can help about this

Thanks...

 

[Kaoru]

The boating season for 2012 has ended here in Ottawa, Canada. My Summer Dreams has been hauled out, winterized, shrink-wrapped, and stored. On the weekend before all that happened, I finally got around to finishing the installation of my past-winter projects. Given that this is the official 270/280 Sundancer thread, I thought that reposting this here would be a good idea. As posted in the Marine Electronics Forum, here's my final answer on "What's connected on a 2009 Sea Ray 270?" with that answer being everything that you would find on boats of a larger than our class. Here's the list:

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• The very first electronic components (first project) installed in 2010 was the Ericsson W35 3G router, Sony SiriusConnect satellite radio, Raymarine RD218 radome, & 33STV satdome. Here's what was installed at that time.
  1. Ericsson W35 Fixed Wireless Terminal with 12/24V Power Lead, a marine antenna 746 (CDMA/GSM/3G) with 5187 HD Shakespeare stainless steel ratchet mount, antenna lead for W30/W35 (RG174NMCX), and a LMR-400 type cable.
  2. Sony SiriusConnect Interface (SNYSC1C), SiriusConnect universal vehicle tuner (SCC1C), and a Shakespeare Galaxy SRA-40 Sirius satellite radio antenna.
  3. RayMarine RD218
  4. RayMarine 33STV satdome with ACU, Xantrex XPower 450 inverter, Bell ExpressVu receiver, IR repeater, and a Hisense HDTV/DVD combo with a compact wall mount (with a secure lock feature).
  
  
  The above shows Summer Dreams main distribution panel/cabinet. You can see the Sony head end, Bell ExpressVu receiver, power panels, the 33STV ACU, Xantrex inverter, iPhone dock, and IR repeater. What you don't see is the W35 router above the cabinet and the Sirius receiver which is behind the panel/Sony head end.
  
  
  
  
  The cockpit TV, a Hisense 12V TV/DVD combo, mounted on the arch/spoiler with a compact secure wall mount.

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• The second project installed in 2011 was the Thrusters on a single sterndrive 270/280 Sundancer? Here's what was installed at that time.
  1. Side Power SE40/125S bow thruster with control & wireless remote and the installation of a GRP tunnel as per Sea Ray specs.
  2. Two AGM batteries (house & thruster), a current limiting ACR, remote battery switch, and switch/thruster panel for helm.
  3. WeatherDeck 12V DC power distribution panel.
  4. Bennett trim tab senders (NMEA2000) with NMEA 2000 network, rewire of SeaTalk network, Merc Monitor with NMEA 2000 gateway.
  
  
  Summer Dreams thruster compartment located at the v-berth. This picture was taken before the hatch was installed with hidden hinges, a gas lift, and stainless steel latch.
  
  
  
  
  The thruster control panel.
  
  
  
  
  The switched and fused 12V distribution panel. This panel allows me to control which systems are on including the VHF (which beforehand was always on). This provides the necessary control given the amount of power that could be used for everything. Without it I would have a hard time keeping my house battery charged.

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• The third project was installed in 2011 was the addition of a Zodiac 240 Air Cadet with a 4 hp Mercury engine. Of course, this is not an electronic component but it is related, here's what was installed at that time.
  1. Zodiac 240 Air Cadet with a 4 hp Mercury engine.
  2. Weaver SNAP-UPS davits, quick disconnects, stainless steel standoffs and hardware, and a Weaver Lever.
  3. Standard Horizon HX851 handheld VHF radio.
  
  
  Here are the installed quick disconnects for the Weaver Snap-Ups.
  
  
  
  
  The above picture was taken just before the install of the Weaver davits.

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• The fourth project installed in 2012 was a long time coming. Due to other considerations, I could not spend the time that I would have liked on Summer Dreams. My original plan was to do a trip known here as the "Golden Triangle", a cruise from Ottawa to Kingston (Lake Ontario), up the seaway to Montreal, and then up the Ottawa river back to Ottawa. Unfortunately, those plans were sidelined. This meant that the fourth and fifth projects were accomplished over several weekends as time permitted. This project represent my foray into AIS. Why AIS on a 28' cruiser? The simple answer is the St. Lawrence Seaway and the ability to have awareness of shipping traffic. Also, having the Seaway (and other ships) being able to see me and contact me just makes sense. Here's what was installed as my fourth project.
  1. Brookhouse iMux multiplexer.
  2. Digital Yacht CLB1000 AIS transponder; which included a AIS tuned VHF/GPS combo antenna, diplexer, and RG8X cables.
  3. Raymarine DSM30.
  4. iPad with iNavX and Navionics charts.
  
  
  The image shows the Digital Yacht CLB1000 Class B AIS transponder. Also, just above it (with the green electrical tape holding connections) is the Brookhouse iMux with the SeaTalk/AIS options. What is not shown is the NMEA 2000 network backbone, the rewired SeaTalk network (via junction blocks), and the DSM30 (which is just above the Ray 240 seen on the left. The red power wires around the fuse panel are the power drops from the 12V distribution panel shown earlier.
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  The above shows my iPad instructing Summer Dreams to "goto" the waypoint which is displayed on the C70. Of course, I'm currently docked so it was just a test. On the iPad, if you notice the boat icon (blue triangle with dot) on top of a purple icon (which is boat shaped), that's my script (that I programmed into the Brookhouse iMux) to simulate an AIS VDM message (I used a VDO message and modified it). The icon is purple because of a "collision alarm" with a dangerous target. I'll have to change the position of it so that doesn't happen. I did this to test the AIS system. There is a lot more I can say about my setup but that will be for another post. Of course, no sooner than I did began my commissioning of the autopilot, the first time out (barely out of the marina) and I immediately saw a ship icon coming towards me (which I didn't believe at first given the lack of AIS traffic, i.e. big boats beyond recreational, in the area). It turned out to be this:
  
  
  
  
  The Kawartha Voyageur, a 120' river cruise ship (~110' when the bow is up as above).

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• The fifth project was installed late in the 2012 boating season. Here's what was installed at that time.
  1. Octopus Type R autopilot drive with Mercruiser I/O connection kit.
  2. Raymarine SPX10 Autopilot with ST70 Control Head.
  3. Raymarine SeaTalk[SUB]ng[/SUB] and SeaTalk junctions/cables.
  
  
  The Raymarine SPX-10 course computer installed behind the cabin's TV which has a void where the cockpit fibreglass hull meets the cabin (the molded stairs leading to the working deck/bow). I mounted a piece of starboard so that the course computer is exactly vertical.
  
  
  
  
  Shown above is the Octupus Type R autopilot drive (lower bottom) and the secondary steering cable to the outdrive. Note that the trim tabs pump had to be relocated because the cable moves with the outdrive when steering.
  
  
  
  
  My updated helm showing the Raymarine C70 on left, the ST70 control head upper right (connected via SeaTalkng), the MercMonitor above (Smartcraft/NMEA2000), thruster control upper right of helm, and the moved gas gauge just above helm (from where the ST70 is).

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I only have some minor modifications to do which is mostly wiring. Part of that is putting in a DPDT switch so that waypoints/routes can be transferred via NMEA0183 to my iPad. Transferring routes/waypoints from my iPad to the C70 works great. The other addition will be a separate switch panel for turning off the compass light (a ridiculously bright blue LED making nighttime viewing impossible; I cover the compass with a hat), silencing the AIS transponder (i.e. setting it to receive only), and a course computer standby switch (course computer powered down but power supplied to SeaTalk[SUB]ng[/SUB] network for the ST70).

Everything has been commissioned and is working except for some configuration of the iMux (the multiplexer is not outputting my GPS sentences to the NMEA differential port (for the MercMon and 33STV ACU connections). This means that the NMEA2000 network (via MercMon) gets its GPS from the C70 (to my surprise) via its very limited "SeaTalk2" port which does a subset of NMEA2000 (but I thought it was receive only). Besides that, I looking forward to using all of these systems when I go on an extended cruise, known here as the "Golden Triangle". It's a cruise from Ottawa to Kingston (on Lake Ontario) via the Rideau Canal. Then onto Montreal via the very busy St. Lawrence Seaway (this is where AIS will come in handy to planning to traverse the locks, or not to); not to mention that I can be seen on MarineTraffic.com/ and by other ships. From Montreal, going up the Ottawa river back to my home port completes the triangle. Total travel time, not including extended time in marinas, is about two weeks. Add a week or so for activities, sightseeing, etc.

Cheers,
Kaoru

 

[dvoyer]

Very great thread, you can add another 280 new owner. I just bought an all white leftover 2012 280 with AC/heat, thruster, windlass, camper canvas...

I'm in Quebec, Canada (French speaking), but I bought it at Hurst Marina in Ontario. Should take delivery in May.

I’ve read a lot about new 280’s. Is it me or the fuel filler is on opposite side of the waste pump out ? Usually I pump out when I have to fill it… will I have to move the boat to do that ?

Also, the boat comes with a Raymarine chart plotter (not the C70 but I don’t know exactly which one). I already have a Garmin 720s with G2 Vision maps from Garmin. Do the Raymarine’s maps are as good as the Garmin’s maps ?

Thanks,
Dominic

 

[Kaoru]

Very great thread, you can add another 280 new owner. I just bought an all white leftover 2012 280 with AC/heat, thruster, windlass, camper canvas...

Congratulations! :smt038 I may be bias but the 270/280 Sundancer (> 2009) is the best boat for your buck. I've gone over every inch of Summer Dreams, inside and out, and I can say with no doubt it is the most verstile hull. For a small/young family, it simply works.

I’ve read a lot about new 280’s. Is it me or the fuel filler is on opposite side of the waste pump out ? Usually I pump out when I have to fill it… will I have to move the boat to do that ?

Yes, the pump out & water fill is starboard-side and the gas fill is port-side. Though most hoses will reach across the beam, it's better to switch sides to avoid mess/spillage.

Also, the boat comes with a Raymarine chart plotter (not the C70 but I don’t know exactly which one). I already have a Garmin 720s with G2 Vision maps from Garmin. Do the Raymarine’s maps are as good as the Garmin’s maps ?

It's most likely Raymarine's A series, since the C70 Classic is out of production. In either case, the charts used (internally and via card) is Navionics. Your chartplotter may have the charts internally, you'll have to check. If not, you'll have to pickup a Navionics card. PM me if you want more info.If you read this thread, I have a lot of information on how to pimp out your cruiser.Cheers,Kaoru

 

[Phil&Chris]

Congrats on your new Sundancer--you're going to love it! While I'm not totally unbiased, I think that the combination of its quality construction, smooth ride, cockpit layout, and great overall look, makes it the premier single engine cruiser on the market today! Also, you will be amazed at how you can maneuver with that bow thruster! Have fun--Cheers! Phil

 

[Off duty]

Negotiating a deal for a 2009 sundancer 270. The boat has been in fresh water only and is loaded. Survey went great with some minor easy fixes. The boat only has 34 hours. They are taking me out on the water to check all the systems Tuesday. They are offering a three year warranty extension for 4,000 dollars. Can anyone tell me if that is a good deal? The boat is on consignment and the sales guy is use to selling ski boats. Anything out there I should be looking at specifically? I have checked NADA and it appears I am getting a great price. Hopefully soon to be a proud owner as you all seem to be. Any help is great. Thanks

 

[Kaoru]

Negotiating a deal for a 2009 sundancer 270. The boat has been in fresh water only and is loaded. Survey went great with some minor easy fixes. The boat only has 34 hours. They are taking me out on the water to check all the systems Tuesday. They are offering a three year warranty extension for 4,000 dollars. Can anyone tell me if that is a good deal? The boat is on consignment and the sales guy is use to selling ski boats. Anything out there I should be looking at specifically? I have checked NADA and it appears I am getting a great price. Hopefully soon to be a proud owner as you all seem to be. Any help is great. Thanks

Without knowing the situation, i.e. factory and/or Mercruiser warranty still exists, it's impossible to comment on your deal. I can say that Sea Ray has a lifetime warranty on the boat's hull/structure that should be transferred over. Of course, that does not include cosmetic things like gelcoat, etc. The engine/drive can be covered by a Mercruiser warranty. Before my original (factory) Mercruiser warranty lapsed, I bought a 7 year extended plan direct from Mercruiser for about $2500. For my self, the only issues I've had that needed attention were:

-> leaking rub rail seal in the stern; indication was constant water in the bilge from rain, waves, etc. Sea Ray replaced the rub rail under factory warranty.
-> power trim sender puck seems to get water in it making it go nuts; I'm on my third puck (but was all covered under my Mercruiser warranty).
-> galvanic corrosion on the lower unit; due to being slipped in a hot (electrically speaking) marina. My answer was to touch up the lower unit, and then replace the aluminum (factory) anodes with magnesium (for fresh water only) and adding a prop anode as well. Also checked the Mercathode's operation using a tester; that's how I know my slip is hot.

All I can say is that Sea Ray builds their boats well, and I especially know how well my 270 Sundancer is built. It's only the major systems (engine, drive, genny, AC, heater, water system) that would of any concern normally. It sounds like you may have found a good boat.

Cheers,
Kaoru

 

[dvoyer]

Off duty, I don't know well that boat yet. I just bought one and will take delivery in May. However, I would never pay 4,000 dollars for a extended warranty. When I bought mine they offer a 5 years warranty extension for $1600 and I refused. I never spent that much money on a less than 10 years old drivetrain. If you break something yourself it won't be covered and those engines are very reliable by themselves. Engines break mostly when improperly winterized and sterndrives break when you hit something. For $4,000 you almost could do a complete rebuild ! IMO you should save that money and pay what needed when needed... come back here in three years and tell me how much you've saved !!!

Dominic

 

[Off duty]

Thanks for your responses. I believe the original 2009 factory warranty is expired. The cost of the engine and drive extended warranty is about $2000 and then they offered a cruiser package which appears to cover everything else like hot water system, fresh water system, waste system, electrical, ac/heat, generator etc. for the other $2000. Any opinions?

 

[dvoyer]

Thanks for your responses. I believe the original 2009 factory warranty is expired. The cost of the engine and drive extended warranty is about $2000 and then they offered a cruiser package which appears to cover everything else like hot water system, fresh water system, waste system, electrical, ac/heat, generator etc. for the other $2000. Any opinions?

It's just my opinion, but for me it's a no brainer, I wouldn't buy a extended warranty in that case. Bad things happen, but you will have $4,000 saved for that. For instance generators are not cheap to repair and sometime hard to diagnostic (for me at least). I'm not too familiar with Kohler genny often fitted in boat but I had many Onan generators in motorhomes and they are expensive to fix. That said, I don't think you will spend enough money to regret your extended warranty. My opinion is that your boat is still pretty recent and you shouldn't have to put a lot of money in it for the next few years. You asked for opinions, here is mine. Others will have another view for sure.

Dominic

 

[denizcan]

Hi everybody
i m looking for the refrigerator shelve for my friend 2009 280
norcold is The brand
can give you any advice

 

[Kaoru]

Hi everybody
i m looking for the refrigerator shelve for my friend 2009 280
norcold is The brand
can give you any advice

The 2009 280 Sundancer is the older 280, where as the 270 Sundancer was renamed in 2010 as the new 280 Sundancer with the old one no longer being produced. The two are definitely not the same. In any case, go to Sea Ray's web site and you (or your friend) can get the fridge manuals here.

Cheers,
Kaoru

 

[dvoyer]

Took delivery last weekend, first impression is good, we stayed on the boat for the weekend and I can say that I love that cockpit layout. I did a test drive on the water with a captain on Saturday morning, chilly and windy. Depth sounder, trim tabs, chart plotter were not working at all. Steering was stiffer than what it should, but I wasn't sure something was wrong at that time.

Sunday was a windy day too (23 knots wind with 27 knots gust) but I was on a narrow canal and we decided to do a short trip on the water in the evening just to test the boat by ourself. It confirmed that there is a problem with the power-steering. The steering was stiff and jerky. Engine was running good but it seems to be a lot of boat for a 350 mag... we'll see. My dealer is very good with me, everybody there is helpful and respectful (even with my "funny" English) . I'm confident that they will fix everything before delivery to my place here in Quebec.

On a side note, I realized that the oem thruster is too small for that kind of wind but it helps in giving you more time to react. I "had" to back the boat stern first, dock is port-side and the wind was blowing me straight away of the dock. We (my wife and I) finally used the good old spring line technique we are used to and got the boat docked.

Where do you store your fenders when on the water ? I don't really like the fender rack on the bow rail option.

Glad to be part of the new 280 club !
Dominic

 

[Kaoru]

Took delivery last weekend, first impression is good, we stayed on the boat for the weekend and I can say that I love that cockpit layout. I did a test drive on the water with a captain on Saturday morning, chilly and windy. Depth sounder, trim tabs, chart plotter were not working at all. Steering was stiffer than what it should, but I wasn't sure something was wrong at that time.

Congratulations on your purchase! Don't let some hiccups get in the way... There is always some outstanding items when you first purchase a new boat. I'm sure that the dealer & Sea Ray will ensure everything is in order. Do note that there is some quirks with the systems; there is no indicator for the trim tabs to show position or even if they are moving. The only indication is the sound coming from the pump. I installed Bennett trim tab senders to work with my installed Merc Monitor for that reason. The depth sounder is Smart Craft; the transducer may have not been put into the hull but the blank plug installed instead. It was the same for me, I just swapped the plug with the transducer.

This was just a quick reply... I'll post again with some more info later.

Cheers,
Kaoru

 

[dvoyer]

Thanks Kaoru, I had the boat delivered yesterday. no more trim tabs and power-steering issues. Chart plotter wasn't working but I fixed it myself today. I did a firmware update, a factory reset and a touchscreen calibration. It seems to work now. I have other issues I will have to deal with but at least the boat is floating here at my place.

I'm thinking about installing a mercmonitor too. I would like to be able to display smartcraft info on the Raymarine e7 multifunction display (depth, gph, and maybe trim tabs position with a bennett kit). My understanding is that even if I don't need the mercmonitor display, I don't have any better option than mercmonitor to link smartcraft network to the e7 display. Is that right ? Where have you bought those Raymarine parts in Canada ?

Dominic

 

[Kaoru]

Thanks Kaoru, I had the boat delivered yesterday. no more trim tabs and power-steering issues. Chart plotter wasn't working but I fixed it myself today. I did a firmware update, a factory reset and a touchscreen calibration. It seems to work now. I have other issues I will have to deal with but at least the boat is floating here at my place.

I'm thinking about installing a mercmonitor too. I would like to be able to display smartcraft info on the Raymarine e7 multifunction display (depth, gph, and maybe trim tabs position with a bennett kit). My understanding is that even if I don't need the mercmonitor display, I don't have any better option than mercmonitor to link smartcraft network to the e7 display. Is that right ? Where have you bought those Raymarine parts in Canada ?

Dominic

Hi, glad to hear that some of your problems have been resolved. If you want Smart Craft data to be on your e7, you'll have to install a Merc Monitor with Data Gateway level 2 (the same on I have). It converts the Smart Craft to NMEA 2000 (which the e7 supports). The bennett trim tab sender is NMEA2000 as well and the Merc Monitor can receive data and display it from NMEA2000. I buy all my stuff from Gord at Georgian Marine Electronics (on the web). His prices are good (best I found) and he is quite knowledgable. He also does installs I believe but I've always done it DIY. Installation of a Merc Monitor is very simple, it's a straight replacement for your master system link gauge.

Cheers,
Kaoru