The future of EVs? Maybe not so bad?

I remember my grandfather complaining about fuel injection the way some of you guys complain about EVs.
 
jmauld said:
I remember my grandfather complaining about fuel injection the way some of you guys complain about EVs.
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Yep, and I was the same way. In the late Seventy's, my dad was curious about swapping the Quadrajet and distributor on his Riviera with a Holley TBI and CDI, but we couldn't justify the cost. Also, I remember commenting that while the new gear might get him better fuel mileage, I could keep the carb and points system running with baling wire and a rock. Nowadays, I wouldn't give up my '18 Mustang with its injectors, turbo, variable-valve timing, and 300 horsepower from a teensy four-banger.
 
Havana Shamrock said:
We’ve had our Tesla for 1-1/2 yrs so far not 1 glitch, unlike EVERY gas handmade cars we’ve had in the past, something brings us back to the “dealer mechanics” hahahahaha sorry, clear my throat um um our car updates itself over WiFI while we sleep, it’s never seen a “Mechanic” hahaha there I go again. If everyone was scared of technology and the future we wouldn’t be where we are today.
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Who's complaining? 120k miles and counting on my problem free ICE....we all can't have Tesla's right now or the grid will collapse...
 
Seems to me, we should have a choice, not be forced into electric. Havana drove from Sarasota to New Orleans, I think 6 stops, I can do that trip in my Suburban with 1 stop and have gas left to drive around when I get there. Electric is great for some, but do not think you are helping the environment. Seems like 30-40% like electric. Keep in mind the same # still think Sleepy Joe is doing a great job. Just sayin' :):)
 
We’re not tree huggers we just like the car it’s fast and comfy. It’s not for everyone or every purpose I just laugh at the haters, I love HEMI cars too almost bought a new challenger that car has a specific purpose also.
 
Nater Potater said:
Yep, and I was the same way. In the late Seventy's, my dad was curious about swapping the Quadrajet and distributor on his Riviera with a Holley TBI and CDI, but we couldn't justify the cost. Also, I remember commenting that while the new gear might get him better fuel mileage, I could keep the carb and points system running with baling wire and a rock. Nowadays, I wouldn't give up my '18 Mustang with its injectors, turbo, variable-valve timing, and 300 horsepower from a teensy four-banger.
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Just to prove my point about moving to the future I’m getting more than 300 HP from my stock V6 turbo see how things progress? Back in the day you’d almost have to have a pourpose built motor to get 300 HP from a V8
 
Havana Shamrock said:
Just to prove my point about moving to the future I’m getting more than 300 HP from my stock V6 turbo see how things progress? Back in the day you’d almost have to have a pourpose built motor to get 300 HP from a V8
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In the late 80’s when living in S. CA, I wanted a 5.0 Mustang (kinda still do) Here’s the spec on an 87.

“Ford Mustang GT 5.0 is a car that has a 3 door coupé type body with a front positioned engine powering the rear wheels. The 8 cylinder, overhead valve naturally aspirated engine has 2 valves per cylinder and a displacement of 4.9 litres. It musters power and torque figures of 225 bhp (228 PS/168 kW) at 4200 rpm and 407 Nm (300 lbft/41.5 kgm) at 3200 rpm respectively. The engine powers the wheels via a 5 speed manual gearbox. The Ford Mustang GT 5.0 weighs a claimed 1397 kg at the kerb.”


I have the Gen 1 ecoboost in my 2011 F150 and that gets 360hp and 425ft/lbs IIRC.
 
The model s plaid claims to have over 1000hp.

My Model 3 is somewhere around 500hp, but is only .2 seconds slower 0-60.
 
What is pretty amazing is that the Hellcat Redeye gets about 15mpg combined with its 800hp v8. Compare that to the cars of the 60's and 70s. When I was a kid we had a late 70s Ford LTD with a 400 (402) that was about 170hp and got about 11mpg combined. We towed a tent trailer in those days and it got about 7mpg fully loaded with the whole family aboard.
 
Havana Shamrock said:
We’re not tree huggers we just like the car it’s fast and comfy. It’s not for everyone or every purpose I just laugh at the haters, I love HEMI cars too almost bought a new challenger that car has a specific purpose also.
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The "haters" hate because the government is forcing the use on us. I agree that an EV is a good option for many people as an around town car. And actually in my old age I am looking at golf carts as an easy mode of transport -- who wants to open doors, lol. But don't tell me you can "easily" transit cross country in one -- that's complete BS. And when major manufacturers announce that they'll be all EV by such and such date, it strains credibility to think we'll be grid ready and able to move as freely as we have been.
 
Golfman25 said:
The "haters" hate because the government is forcing the use on us. I agree that an EV is a good option for many people as an around town car. And actually in my old age I am looking at golf carts as an easy mode of transport -- who wants to open doors, lol. But don't tell me you can "easily" transit cross country in one -- that's complete BS. And when major manufacturers announce that they'll be all EV by such and such date, it strains credibility to think we'll be grid ready and able to move as freely as we have been.
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The government isn’t forcing you to buy an EV. These mandates are forcing investment in our electric infrastructure, which frankly should’ve been happening all along. I bet 15 yrs from now you will still be able to buy a F150 in gas, diesel or electric versions. Options are better for us.

And golf carts are fantastic. If you live in an area with a winter I would highly suggest you look at the Polaris gem. It has easily removable doors and a heater
 
Didn't read through this whole thing but a few weeks ago I saw a youtube comparison between a new F150 hybrid and a new Rivian EV truck. They were towing a 7000lb trailer during the test. The Rivian was able to go 90 miles on a full charge. The local charging station was used to charge it back up to simulate a longer trip. In the end the cost was almost the same. In fact, they said if they had used 89 octane in the F150 it would have been about dead even in terms of costs and they had to wait while charging the Rivian. Imagine taking a trip from PA to FL towing your boat. You would have to stop about 10x on the way there to recharge. What is it, 1 hour for a charge? So add 10 hours to your trip each way.
For in town driving they might be ok but if you plan on extended trips forget it. I don't want to spend 4 days of my week long vacation driving.
Oh, and this test was done using the regular chargers. I guess there is a rapid charge system that is more costly so using that it would now cost you more per mile for the electric vehicle. And they admitted that charging at home is much cheaper but you can't do that on extended trips.
 
MonacoMike said:
https://pjmedia.com/vodkapundit/202...g-gm-exec-gets-owned-on-clean-energy-n1604083

“And there you have it, folks: The Car of Tomorrow, powered by the dirty fuel of 19th Century locomotives.”
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That has to be an older clip. The event was to "showing off a brand-new Chevy Volt and charging station", but the Volt was discontinued 3 years ago.

But, they do still get the bulk of the local power from two coal-powered stations (one is theirs and one via contract). They've added two gas plants recently (one co-generation) so the gist of the story is true now and will be true for several more years.
 
jmauld said:
We’ve been through this before

An ICE car can run off of:
Gasoline
Diesel
Old grease maybe
Corn maybe

An EV can run off of:
Gas
Diesel
Natural Gas
Water
Wind
Solar
Coal
Nuclear
Baby seal blood


which one gives you a higher level of energy freedom?
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Do you have a generator at home to charge your EV when your power goes out?
 
firecadet613 said:
Do you have a generator at home to charge your EV when your power goes out?
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I have a generator at home. I have had it before the purchase of an EV because I live in an area that gets frequent hurricanes.
I have NO reservations about using it to charge my EV.
 
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