Raymarine vs garmin

jmauld said:
I think you also lose autorouting when the subscription ends
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That’s not the case. Autorouting is a core function. The subscription is related to mapping updates, not core feature capabilities. They don’t take away what you have.
 
b_arrington said:
That’s not the case. Autorouting is a core function. The subscription is related to mapping updates, not core feature capabilities. They don’t take away what you have.
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If that's true for Garmin, then that is different with how Navionics works on other devices. And yes, I'm speaking about the chart subscription. When I have let my Navionics chart subscription lapse, the auto-routing feature stops working. This has been verified on an iPad, iPhone and chart plotter - granted, the plotter was a Raymarine Axiom and not a Garmin. But I refer back to my original statement: If auto routing works after the chart subscription expires, that's unique to Garmin.
 
https://www.navionics.com/usa/charts/features/dock-to-dock-autorouting

When you purchase any new product, a one year subscription to daily updates and many advanced features is included.

GPS Plotter Cards
What you get:
- Download of chart layers
- Daily Updates
- Dock-to-dock Route Guidance
- Advanced Map Options
- Plotter Sync
- Satellite Overlay with SonarChart Shading
- Relief Shading
- Sonar Imagery

Check if your GPS plotter model is compatible with advanced features and make sure it is running the latest software.
Activate your subscription online within 2 months of purchase.

Subscription expired? After one year, you can purchase a renewal. If you don’t, you can still use your chart layers and download the rest of your coverage area.

The above mentioned advanced features or the download of chart updates require an active subscription.
 
scooper321 said:
If that's true for Garmin, then that is different with how Navionics works on other devices. And yes, I'm speaking about the chart subscription. When I have let my Navionics chart subscription lapse, the auto-routing feature stops working. This has been verified on an iPad, iPhone and chart plotter - granted, the plotter was a Raymarine Axiom and not a Garmin. But I refer back to my original statement: If auto routing works after the chart subscription expires, that's unique to Garmin.
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I doubt their lawyers would let them autoroute with 5yr old data. But I could be wrong.
 
Like said, the Garmin Autoroute is a core MFD / autopilot feature and is not a function of the charts proper.
The Autoroute obtains data from the charts to determine depth, obstacles, and other but that data remains in the data card and not mysteriously removed when a subscription expires. All data remains on the "card" when expired based upon the Garmin / Navionics Note I posted above. You can no longer obtain updates after the expiration. Conjecture aside, @jmauld and @scooper321 - where is Garmin / Navionics stating the features will no longer be available?

I was just going down to the boat to do the updates until you dropped this steaming triple coiler in my lap....
 
My response was to b_Arrington, specifically in regards to navionics.
 
ttmott said:
What? Can you post where you saw or read that?
Autorouting is an important part of our cruising.

Edit - these "features" you have mentioned are unique to Raymarine. @SKybolt said he is calling Garmin so we will find out but I think the note I quoted in Post 97 reveals all of the features are still functional but no new downloads can be obtained until renewal. Another reason to go with Garmin for sure....
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It kind of makes sense to maintain Garmin loyalty doesn't it?
 
It’s just more of a reason to hate navionics. I have purcahsed navionics software apps at least three times which they stopped supporting before finally going to the subscription model. They have no moral compass as a company.
 
Also, this issue isn’t unique to raymarine. It’s unique to garmin. Everyone else has to maintain a subscription to a garmin product for those features. My guess is that garmin patented it and isn’t allowing others access to use of the patent. They have the right to do that, but it’s also an abuse of the patent system.

kind of supports my guess. https://www.garmin.com/en-US/newsro...18-garmin-and-navico-resolve-patent-disputes/
 
ttmott said:
... @SKyboltsaid he is calling Garmin so we will find out but I think the note I quoted in Post 97 reveals all of the features are still functional but no new downloads can be obtained until renewal. Another reason to go with Garmin for sure....
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Nice find Tom! I hadn't looked into this, so great to know all that. I think I will call them tomorrow and verify that auto-routing remains. I really want the sonar over lay and that would be perfect.
 
jmauld said:
My response was to b_Arrington, specifically in regards to navionics.
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What we are trying to say for Garmin is Autoroute is a core function of the system and not the charts
SKybolt said:
Nice find Tom! I hadn't looked into this, so great to know all that. I think I will call them tomorrow and verify that auto-routing remains. I really want the sonar over lay and that would be perfect.
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I did the S/W updates today on my Garmin equipment; took about two hours in total. Once I started playing with the new format, it's not too bad. In fact, I really like some of the features from an instant access aspect. One thing I don't know is if the GRID 20 will behave any differently; it could use some refinement.
 
Regarding the Garmin/Navionics charts - I think I'll let them steep in other users' hands for a while and continue with my trusted Vision charts.
 
:)This is obviously a Garmin lovefest thread, so I won’t interrupt the singing of Kumbya. But let’s just agree to disagree that this is “one more reason to choose Garmin”. If you don’t keep your charts up to date annually, you’d better spend that money on a Towboat subscription. And if you do keep them up to date you get the auto routing anyway. I’ve tried Garmin on two different plotter purchases. Neither time did I find the user interface intuitive or easy to use. And I’m pretty tech savvy. First time I got a Simrad. Second time an Axiom. Neither time did I have regrets. They are all just fine. Whatever works for the individual.
 
All I know is if raymarine ever works out a deal with garmin to allow autorouting on the lighthouse charts, I’m dumping navionics faster than Hillary can have someone suicided.
 
jmauld said:
All I know is if raymarine ever works out a deal with garmin to allow autorouting on the lighthouse charts, I’m dumping navionics faster than Hillary can have someone suicided.
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Lol. I really like the Navionics charts (another reason I didn’t choose Garmin as they only offered BlueCharts when I was buying). They work well for where I travel. But I’d love to give Lighthouse a try. I’m not investing $100 on a test though. I had C Mao on my old Raymarine plotter and they were fine too. Having another set of charts from a second data set just seemS smart.
 
scooper321 said:
Lol. I really like the Navionics charts (another reason I didn’t choose Garmin as they only offered BlueCharts when I was buying). They work well for where I travel. But I’d love to give Lighthouse a try. I’m not investing $100 on a test though. I had C Mao on my old Raymarine plotter and they were fine too. Having another set of charts from a second data set just seemS smart.
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I got a good deal on an axiom with light house charts. They are pretty good. Since I replaced my Vesselview with the simrad go7 I figured I would use it for my navionics card. I’ll run both this summer but I don’t think I will renew both of them.

Send an email to raymarine and ask them for auto-routing to be added to lighthouse charts. Maybe they’ll try to work a deal with garmin and pay their exorbitant fees.
 
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