Raymarine vs garmin

[Skybolt]

Anyone using a FLIR with Garmin? Trying to figure out how to use the tracking features of the Flir. Seems to be able to track ais and Marla but not clear in tracking random items like objects in the water.

@alnav is using one I believe.

 

[alnav]

Anyone using a FLIR with Garmin? Trying to figure out how to use the tracking features of the Flir. Seems to be able to track ais and Marla but not clear in tracking random items like objects in the water.

@alnav is using one I believe.

Irie, I am. Like you, I figured out how to track AIS and MARPA targets. Also waypoints, that works just like AIS and MARPA. I've got some notes on the boat about the other functions on the menu you are alluding to, but I really haven't figured them out. Have you tried the MTI (not sure I got that right) which will alert on any object showing a contrast with nearby objects? It doesn't track them, however, just throws up a green box at the spot it sees.
The new capabilities seem to have come in via one of the winter software updates with no documentation I have found. I had the email of one of the FLIR developers from a previous issue, asked him about it, but he said Garmin hadn't shared anything with them and that the new tracking functions were Garmin-develped (he did know about MTI which is a FLIR function). I then opened a case at Garmin, pursued it through a couple of levels and was told that the help guys couldn't help but that the features would be written up for some future version of the manual. Crazy.

 

[Skybolt]

... I then opened a case at Garmin, pursued it through a couple of levels and was told that the help guys couldn't help but that the features would be written up for some future version of the manual. Crazy.

Gota love Garmin, pump out the new features no one is familiar with and call it done. I have a case that is two years old regarding them using the wrong (unsupported) pgn for ac line voltage, but that is available on the mfd to display even though no one supports it.

 

[NorCalRobert]

Gota love Garmin, pump out the new features no one is familiar with and call it done. I have a case that is two years old regarding them using the wrong (unsupported) pgn for ac line voltage, but that is available on the mfd to display even though no one supports it.

I liked the garmin and I liked the simrad but in the end went with Raymarine mostly due to the endless YouTube videos and online information

 

[Skybolt]

I liked the garmin and I liked the simrad but in the end went with Raymarine mostly due to the endless YouTube videos and online information

Raymarine is makes excellent products, the main difference between RM and Garmin is that RM goes out of their way to force you in to RM only products. As where Garmin goes to great lengths to make their products compatible with other products. Point in case they stayed with standard N2K cabling where as RM made proprietary ones. There are more differences but that is one that stands out.

 

[jmauld]

Raymarine is makes excellent products, the main difference between RM and Garmin is that RM goes out of their way to force you in to RM only products. As where Garmin goes to great lengths to make their products compatible with other products. Point in case they stayed with standard N2K cabling where as RM made proprietary ones. There are more differences but that is one that stands out.

On the flip side, Garmin patented autoroute making it really difficult for other mfds to use that feature.

 

[scooper321]

Raymarine is makes excellent products, the main difference between RM and Garmin is that RM goes out of their way to force you in to RM only products. As where Garmin goes to great lengths to make their products compatible with other products. Point in case they stayed with standard N2K cabling where as RM made proprietary ones. There are more differences but that is one that stands out.

Thats an easy one to get around, though. Adapter cables do the job. I love my Axiom but my backbone is NMEA2000, not ngST. Everything new I add is NMEA2000, so I got the field installablle Maretron N2K connector and turned my ngST backbone into a N2K backbone. Little need for ST or ngST now. All because I really like my Axiom. I’m weird. I found the user interface on the Axiom to be far easier to use than Garmin. And I like Navionics charts.

 

[ttmott]

Irie, I am. Like you, I figured out how to track AIS and MARPA targets. Also waypoints, that works just like AIS and MARPA. I've got some notes on the boat about the other functions on the menu you are alluding to, but I really haven't figured them out. Have you tried the MTI (not sure I got that right) which will alert on any object showing a contrast with nearby objects? It doesn't track them, however, just throws up a green box at the spot it sees.
The new capabilities seem to have come in via one of the winter software updates with no documentation I have found. I had the email of one of the FLIR developers from a previous issue, asked him about it, but he said Garmin hadn't shared anything with them and that the new tracking functions were Garmin-develped (he did know about MTI which is a FLIR function). I then opened a case at Garmin, pursued it through a couple of levels and was told that the help guys couldn't help but that the features would be written up for some future version of the manual. Crazy.

Don't forget the VRM and EBL utilities. I don't use them that often but at night they can be a great tool in the toolbox.

 

[ttmott]

On the flip side, Garmin patented autoroute making it really difficult for other mfds to use that feature.

I use Garmin's autoroute feature all of the time. It isn't a chart thing but rather a function of the MFD that uses chart data so I don't understand what you are saying regarding other MFD's. There are several "glitches" I struggle with such as the autoroute will set a recommended route then you can view hazards and adjust the route. When adjusting the route sometimes it will not let you move a point and it turns into a spaghetti mess. Another in route acquisition the boat will take a sharp turn into the route rather than phase into it. I understand there are things to change that but it's not the best. I always set the start of the route well in front of the boat if we are moving to eliminate those sharp turns.

 

[jmauld]

I use Garmin's autoroute feature all of the time. It isn't a chart thing but rather a function of the MFD that uses chart data so I don't understand what you are saying regarding other MFD's. There are several "glitches" I struggle with such as the autoroute will set a recommended route then you can view hazards and adjust the route. When adjusting the route sometimes it will not let you move a point and it turns into a spaghetti mess. Another in route acquisition the boat will take a sharp turn into the route rather than phase into it. I understand there are things to change that but it's not the best. I always set the start of the route well in front of the boat if we are moving to eliminate those sharp turns.

You can’t get autoroute on a raymarine unless you use the garmin navionics maps, and your subscription can not be expired.
https://www.garmin.com/en-US/newsro...18-garmin-and-navico-resolve-patent-disputes/

Simrad got it because garmin was using one of their patents.

I know patents protect developers but this feels like garmin is holding back the industry. I really want to cancel my navionics subscription and switch over to raymarine lighthouse maps, but keep it just for the autorouting.

 

[ttmott]

You can’t get autoroute on a raymarine unless you use the garmin navionics maps, and your subscription can not be expired.
https://www.garmin.com/en-US/newsro...18-garmin-and-navico-resolve-patent-disputes/

Simrad got it because garmin was using one of their patents.

I think you are confusing Garmins "Autoroute" with auto guidance technology. Auto guidance technology provided the capability to use chart meta data to help routing and avoid hazards as identified on the chart data. Autoroute (as you stated) is a Garmin unique autopilot feature that hosts many things as well as auto guidance. But, they are different.

 

[jmauld]

Which one generates a route from point a to point b that will stay in the channel and avoid hazards?

 

[ttmott]

Which one generates a route from point a to point b that will stay in the channel and avoid hazards?

From a Garmin perspective Autoroute generates the routing, allows editing, and integrates the autopilot to acquire and follow. Garmin's Autoroute uses auto guidance technology to support those functions/features.
The lawsuit you are referencing is not about Autoroute as alluded but rather the auto guidance technology.

 

[jmauld]

https://www8.garmin.com/manuals/web...UID-B59A673D-C9A5-49BC-81A1-483E3E0492F6.html

This reads like auto guidance is what I was calling auto route, and is what the article is referencing.

so their patent is restricting other manufacturers from generating an automatic route.

 

[ttmott]

From a Garmin perspective Autoroute generates the routing, allows editing, and integrates the autopilot to acquire and follow. Garmin's Autoroute uses auto guidance technology to support those functions/features.
The lawsuit you are referencing is not about Autoroute as alluded but rather the auto guidance technology.

I suspect that Garmin held the rights to the technology; and Ray sued for discovery with a premise of patent infringement. The court probably saw through it.

 

[jmauld]

I suspect that Garmin held the rights to the technology; and Ray sued for discovery with a premise of patent infringement. The court probably saw through it.

I don’t see anywhere that raymarine sued them. It was simrad that did that.

 

[ttmott]

I don’t see anywhere that raymarine sued them. It was simrad that did that.

Ah, OK. So they settled with Simrad having rights to use the technology.
We did some work with a startup software company (a couple of smart guys) on a mechanical arrangement so they could test their product years ago. A large software company got wind of their work and sued based upon infringement. There was no infringement, but the large company tied them up in so much legal mumbo jumbo and cost that they had to walk away from their innovation. It was very sad for those two hard working entrepreneurs. I understand it happens all of the time.

 

[jmauld]

Raymarine just doesn’t offer that option unless you’re using a navionics chart. Even then it’s hidden in the menu system.

 

[Skybolt]

Thats an easy one to get around, though. Adapter cables do the job. I love my Axiom but my backbone is NMEA2000, not ngST. Everything new I add is NMEA2000, so I got the field installablle Maretron N2K connector and turned my ngST backbone into a N2K backbone. Little need for ST or ngST now. All because I really like my Axiom. I’m weird. I found the user interface on the Axiom to be far easier to use than Garmin. And I like Navionics charts.

I did the same as well, I have RM Auto Pilot, but my point was you had to buy the adapters. Another thing that stands out is with digital switching, with Garmin it just works with other then Garmin products. With RM you can't add it unless you are a boat builder, although I read somewhere that may change. There are lot's of other little things like that that RM does.

Garmin has Navionics charts as well.

 

[jmauld]

It is possible to add c-zone to an axiom.