Prosecuting our soldiers?

[Four Suns]

Ya but they used dirty underwear..

And?

This whole war thing with our country is too clean... "Don't hurt any civilians..."

Whatever happened to the good ole' days. I assumed after 9/11 we would have carpet bombed everything in the country over there (alive and dead), annexed it... and had a 51st state... But Nooooooo..... If these guys were in charge during the civil war, we would have had two countries... North and South...

 

[Four Suns]

Wait! I got it... Let's tax the "rich" so we can put the whole world on social security and throw all the soldiers in jail!!!

A "new world order"

 

[At Ease]

I haven’t found them guilty of anything, I’m just discussing the allegations against them like everyone here. FWIW, it doesn’t bother me that a terrorist got an extra smack in the kisser but doing it in front of witnesses was pretty stupid, I think this is what comsnark was hinting at in his post. After the Abu Ghraib abuse scandal emphasis was put on how to treat prisoners. Agree with it or don’t agree with it but the fact is these guys didn’t follow orders so to speak and in the military when you don’t follow orders you’ll be called on it.

Woody, were you ever in the military?

 

[ImpulseIII]

You may be on to something. We can then unionize the entire country !! Oh Goody !!!!

 

[JV II]

When you are dealing with animals, you must act like animals. Animals do not understand humanity. They do not live by societal rules or conscience. You would not bring a crazed elephant to a civil court for stampeding a crowd at the circus would you? Would you extend American Constitutional rights to the tiger that kills an American hiker? What happens to the Great White Shark that kills a swimmer. They get hunted down and killed. Terrorists who kill men, women, and children are no different. Except, of course that the elephant, tiger, and shark do not have followers. In that way, animals are better than terrorists and deserve more humane treatment. Terrorists are programed to hate and kill. We need to make an example of the terrorists because it it the only consequence that is respected and understood by them.

 

[270SLX]

This trial AND the trial of 911 terrorists in New York will end up being recruiting tools for jehadists. That, to me, is the biggest tragedy. The commander in chief should know better.

Dennis

 

[Jack F]

Ya but they used dirty underwear..

And?
This whole war thing with our country is too clean... "Don't hurt any civilians..."

That was my point, I think the libs were more offended that the underwear was dirty.

If the enemy is hiding out in a Mosque, turn it into a parking lot, This type of thinking is killing our troops.


The “Karzai 12”

The Times compiled an informal list of the new rules from interviews with U.S. forces. Among them:
• No night or surprise searches.
• Villagers have to be warned prior to searches.
• ANA or ANP must accompany U.S. units on searches.
• U.S. soldiers may not fire at the enemy unless the enemy is preparing to fire first.
• U.S. forces cannot engage the enemy if civilians are present.
• Only women can search women.
• Troops can fire at an insurgent if they catch him placing an IED but not if insurgents are walking away from an area where explosives have been laid.

Just like the bombing of the Marine barracks in Beirut, the Marines were orders not to appear "warlike" As interpreted by the Marine commanders, the mission precluded fortifications at their compound at Beirut International Airport that might suggest the Marines weren't peacekeepers — such as a perimeter fence that would stop anything bigger than a car.
Similarly, sentries directly facing the airport were ordered to carry their ammunition on their belts — not in their rifles — to avoid an accidental shooting.

I think the politician hang the military out to dry to often....

 

[comsnark]

Maybe Cornstalk and promodork are missing the fact that if we are at war, the enemy does not belong in our civil court system.

War is an interesting concept. What the heck does *war* even mean in the context of Afganistan? I never understood what the *war* on terror really meant beyond the simple "Liberuls are evil" politics.

Once you topple the government that is enabling the terrorists (i.e. the Taliban led Afgan government); how are the armed bandits running around the hills in Afganistan different than armed thugs running around Baltimore? The primary difference is the thugs in Afganistan are a bit better armed. Both sets of low lifes will kill you if they have the chance. Either way; you send in people to clean them out and show them who is boss. It might not be "policing" like you do against street thugs; it might be a bit closer to "Nation Building" that many are so vehemently opposed to; but that sure as heck isn't war.

My support for the war on terror started waning when it became clear that we were respecting the Pakistani / Afghanistan border, and not carrying the fight into the lawless hills of Pakistan. I lost more respect when people started emphasizing non-existent terror links to Iraq and began ignoring the far more credible links to Saudi Arabia.


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As to the original post: It sounds like a few service men got carried away. Is this a one off thing, or systemic? There is so much bias on FOX/MSNBC; it is impossible to objectively understand what the facts are.

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OK; I am going to crawl back under my rock now and let you guys flame away. It's a bit chilly where I am; I could use the warmth.


Gobble Gobble

 

[comsnark]

When you are dealing with animals, you must act like animals.

OK. . one more;

Bah humbug! If I am dealing with animals; I think like a hunter. A hunter understands how an animal thinks; but when it comes down to to business I would prefer to use a sniper rifle rather than a knife. I will also opt for the rifle vs using teeth.

 

[Four Suns]

OK. . one more;

Bah humbug! If I am dealing with animals; I think like a hunter. A hunter understands how an animal thinks; but when it comes down to to business I would prefer to use a sniper rifle rather than a knife. I will also opt for the rifle vs using teeth.

Yeah... you would press charges against the deer and put him in court before you executed it.

You probably are a PETA person.

 

[skibum]

However, once you have a prisoner, or are arresting someone in a building in Baltimore; that is different. That is not a battlefield. We are not Sadam. We are the United States. A country ruled by laws.

We don't care if they don't respect our Laws. Their respect is irrelevant. What is important is that WE respect our laws. And HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE FOR THEIR ACTIONS.
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Have a nice Thanksgiving!

Come on... This guy was captured and punched in freakin' Iraq, not Baltimore. :smt021

American citizens and legal visitors get Constitutional protection, anyone else does not. It really is as simple as that. If we caught this guy in Baltimore in the process of planning or executing a terrorist attack, then he would be a military problem and should be dealt with in a military court (if he wasn't already shot or beat to death). If we caught this guy in Baltimore robbing a liquor store, then he should be taken to civil court, charged and convicted, then immediately deported as soon as he had served his sentence.

Who are we to tell the world that our Constitution applies everywhere? That's pretty damn arrogant. The Constitution stops at the 12 mile limit. It does not follow a person, or apply to everyone in the immediate vicinity of wherever they may be. Get arrested in Mexico and ask that they obey your Constitutional rights. They will just laugh their asses off.

Our enemy only understands one thing. Violence. They are counting on the fact that we won't sink to their level. They understand that we need to sink to their level in order to defeat them. This guy made this complaint immediately. Why? Because our emeny is not stupid. They understand the political philosophy of our current administration and media. They understand that even when they lose a battle that they can still turn it into a success by getting in a political victory in the press. It turns a losing situation (the capture of one of their leaders) into a minor victory (getting 3 SEALS taken off of the battlefield). It also gives them something to use to gain more support from their followers.

Alternate reality. A SEAL punches the prisoner in the face. The news:

Reporter 1: "Terrorist gets punched in the face. Accuses SEALS of torture."

Reporter 2: "You know Bob, this really isn't worth talking about. After spending all that money training those SEALS all those years, I'd hope that they would manage to get more than one shot in. How 'bout them Yankees?"

Reporter 1: "Great point, Larry. Yep, they did it again, didn't they?"

Happy Thanksgiving to you as well...

Michael

 

[Pseudomind]

This trial AND the trial of 911 terrorists in New York will end up being recruiting tools for jehadists. That, to me, is the biggest tragedy. The "Clown" in chief should know better.

Dennis

There I fixed it for you :smt043:smt043

I do not want to even comment on this thread. I would like to horse whip a good many in our country, execute a good many of those in prison, export a good many out of the country and put a good many fat a33 lazies out working or die starving.

Like I stated I do no even wish to comment. Puke

 

[tobnpr]

They should have sent Khalid and his fellow murderers to Texas for trial.
'Nuff said.

 

[JV II]

A recent Fox pole showed 99% of people are outraged by this story. Where is that website that generates letters to to our political leaders? There has to be a way to express the volume of this outrage so it becomes newsworthy.

 

[Riptide III]

OK guys I just read thru 6 pages and I am tired. I am going to fire a sniper round here. I am calling it that because it will be on round then I am out. No one has mentioned the media. They are too deeply imbedded in what we do over here. Terrorists derive their power from the media. They live for it. The more media coverage they get the more funding they get for their cells (FACT). The media empowers them. Many things would be swept under the rug (a bloody lip) where they belong had the media not received knowledge of them. And yes, even after the commander runs it up the chain it still could have been shut off. I don't think that the press or America as a whole NEEDS or should know everything that goes on in a war zone. The amount of stress some of these soldiers and sailors are under is unimaginable to the average person. Often the soldier doesn’t even understand until later on, sometimes too late. This can cause them to do things they wouldn’t normally do. I am not condoning it just trying to reinforce what I think you can all imagine. Leave the military to police its own in its own way and try terrorists in the way we did in previous wars.
Sorry, touchy subject for me. I see for some of you also.
God Bless America. The greatest country in the world. No offense Europe you guys are a very close second. IMO!!!:thumbsup:

 

[JV II]

Sorry, touchy subject for me. I see for some of you also.
God Bless America. The greatest country in the world. No offense Europe you guys are a very close second. IMO!!!:thumbsup:

THANK YOU!!!:thumbsup::thumbsup:

 

[Redhook98]

To be honest, I did not read any responses to this instance. My impression? Put a $0.19 bullet in there head and save us multi-billions of dollars of BS. Should of done the same with a lot of past "prisoners". Why capture them and cost us millions and billions when a $0.19 bullet would suffice? Pure logic and good sense. And yes, I was in the military for 11 years and yes, I have been there.

 

[Redhook98]

Come on... This guy was captured and punched in freakin' Iraq, not Baltimore. :smt021

American citizens and legal visitors get Constitutional protection, anyone else does not. It really is as simple as that. If we caught this guy in Baltimore in the process of planning or executing a terrorist attack, then he would be a military problem and should be dealt with in a military court (if he wasn't already shot or beat to death). If we caught this guy in Baltimore robbing a liquor store, then he should be taken to civil court, charged and convicted, then immediately deported as soon as he had served his sentence.

Who are we to tell the world that our Constitution applies everywhere? That's pretty damn arrogant. The Constitution stops at the 12 mile limit. It does not follow a person, or apply to everyone in the immediate vicinity of wherever they may be. Get arrested in Mexico and ask that they obey your Constitutional rights. They will just laugh their asses off.

Our enemy only understands one thing. Violence. They are counting on the fact that we won't sink to their level. They understand that we need to sink to their level in order to defeat them. This guy made this complaint immediately. Why? Because our emeny is not stupid. They understand the political philosophy of our current administration and media. They understand that even when they lose a battle that they can still turn it into a success by getting in a political victory in the press. It turns a losing situation (the capture of one of their leaders) into a minor victory (getting 3 SEALS taken off of the battlefield). It also gives them something to use to gain more support from their followers.

Alternate reality. A SEAL punches the prisoner in the face. The news:

Reporter 1: "Terrorist gets punched in the face. Accuses SEALS of torture."

Reporter 2: "You know Bob, this really isn't worth talking about. After spending all that money training those SEALS all those years, I'd hope that they would manage to get more than one shot in. How 'bout them Yankees?"

Reporter 1: "Great point, Larry. Yep, they did it again, didn't they?"

Happy Thanksgiving to you as well...

Michael

It is funny isn't it? I have worked with a lot of SEALs and for the most part (when it counts) they are the most professional and thought out people in the world. They can deploy anywhere, keep a level head when being shot at or threatened, and still make the right decision 95% of the time. How many of you can walk to Starbucks and make the same correct decision everyday? And if you fu__ up, what does it matter.

I applaud any action that they deem necessary to control or subdue that ass-hole.

 

[Redhook98]

How many of you would support a military coup? I would. Just imagine jailing Biden, Frank, Pelosi, and Geithner as traiters of the constitution and appointing qualified experienced people to fill these positions. Who else should be on that list?

http://mediamatters.org/blog/200909290042

Good point... But always be careful what you put in print... No matter how much sense it makes... ;-)

 

[joe and ali]

Oh gosh. I am also so sickened by the way our leaders are treating these guys with kid gloves. barf! Let's bring them home and let them build their own countries. Put our guys on all the borders - American borders!