Polishing Before and After

[Nehalennia]

Thanks. Good for you. I hope that means you were relaxing.

Amongst other things.....soccer, bike rides, and some garage cleaning.

We'll see what this weekend shapes up like, but they're calling for rain.

 

[sprink56]

Well...now it's my turn. My 390 hasn't been touched in over a year so I have some work cut out for me. I have gotten two quotes....one for $1500 out of the water and one for $1600 in the water.:wow:

I need to pull her to do zincs and am thinking that I can compound and polish then. I have a Milwaukee variable speed rotary and today I picked up a quart of 3M "Deep Cut" and 2 Meguire's wool cutting pads along with a spur to try a few small areas up top on the deck.Understand that my boat's finish has been neglected and is heavily oxidized.

I started with the section under the windshield and worked my way back to the radar arch on both sides. The Deep Cut brought the shine back fast! I got some Woody Wax for the Non-Skid and it works well also.

I can't really do much with this untill I get it out of the water. I was doing a tap dance working the topsides with the Milwaukee above the rub rail. I have a large swim platform and can do the transom from there. The hull has to be done on a ladder with the boat on blocks on "Terra Firma".

I think I also need to pick up a small Porter Cable for the tight areas.

I do my S500 Mercedes and my F-150 SuperCrew regularly and use Wolfgang and Pinnacle products. I know the marine world is a totaly different enviroment and want to use something of equal or better quality on my boat...realizing that there is a BIG spread in quality of products out there.

This is a totaly different world than I was accustomed to with my Formulas on trailers!


I have a few options:

1. Pay $300 to have her pulled, do the zincs myself and spend 3~4 days total time polishing her out myself. I save $1500 less material which I figure to be about $350.

2. Same as above but pay a 19 year old boat fanatic in my neigborhood $750 +/- to do the labor.

3. Pay the $1500 + $300 to my yard and be done with it.

I am leaning towards No. 2 because he is a responsible college kid and has done good work on other boats I have seen...mechanical work as well as detail work.

I need a recomendation on the most durable wax or polymer/sealer I can protect with once I compound the 390...this thing has an acre of gelcoat and I don't want to be doing this often.

I would get a lot of satisfaction out of doing this myself but this is a big project for one person.

 

[Nehalennia]

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I need a recomendation on the most durable wax or polymer/sealer I can protect with once I compound the 390...this thing has an acre of gelcoat and I don't want to be doing this often......

I got most, not all the compounding done. On Jeremy's and John's advice, I bought the Meguiar's 67 and will try that, then the #45 polish, then I haven't decided ona Wax yet, but I've also had good success with StarBrite's Poly

 

[MarineClean/Leverage]

I've posted allot of our results and step-by-step instructions.

You need my Oxidation Remover, Polish, Rotray Buffer & Wool Pads. Please let me know if you need anything.

All of my products are listed at BOE.


Donnie

 

[Nehalennia]

...........You need my Oxidation Remover, Polish, Rotray Buffer & Wool Pads. .........

Need? No, don't think so. NEED is a strong word. There are many here that have showcased there success with the products previously mentioned and proven over time.

Not too many here are interested in the marketing of products from members that have the products name in the screen/user name. It makes us wary.

Now, if you want to send the willing, your product to 'test out' and report our results for you as Marketing research, that may fly, but we're not here to be your minions.

 

[sprink56]

I've posted allot of our results and step-by-step instructions.

You need my Oxidation Remover, Polish, Rotray Buffer & Wool Pads. Please let me know if you need anything.

All of my products are listed at BOE.


Donnie

Only problem is that I can't drive around the corner in the morning, buy the stuff and go to work.:huh:

 

[trit21]

Need? No, don't think so. NEED is a strong word. There are many here that have showcased there success with the products previously mentioned and proven over time.

Not too many here are interested in the marketing of products from members that have the products name in the screen/user name. It makes us wary.

Now, if you want to send the willing, your product to 'test out' and report our results for you as Marketing research, that may fly, but we're not here to be your minions.

Amen.....

 

[MarineClean/Leverage]

Need? No, don't think so. NEED is a strong word. There are many here that have showcased there success with the products previously mentioned and proven over time.

Not too many here are interested in the marketing of products from members that have the products name in the screen/user name. It makes us wary.

Now, if you want to send the willing, your product to 'test out' and report our results for you as Marketing research, that may fly, but we're not here to be your minions.

Then don't purchase my products. I imagine you didn't take the time to Google Leverage before you replied. I also imagine that you didn't take the time to read any of my step-by-step threads.

Besides manufacturing I also own Marine Clean. Between both branches we averaged over 240 boats in 08'. I go the extra mile to help everyone instead of just giving them a bottle and telling them there on their own. I don't know too many businesses that the customer gets one on one with the Owner/Manufacturer. Did the owner of SeaRay sell you and educate you on your purchase directly?

Besides numerous online Retailers we also had a meeting with Walmart right before we left for Miami & Louisville. A few more meetings, some contracts and everything is finished.

I've been in the businees for over 10 years and my Leverage products are in thousands of hands with 99.9 Positive and .01 user error that's been corrected.

Listen, I can only tell you what the results are from myself and thousands. You're the one that has to prove it to yourself. Free! I think not. A person cannot stay in business long giving everything away. Most people that want results either do it themselves or search, read and educate.

And Yes. 'Need' is the word for someone that's willing to put their business and reputation online with Keyboard Cowboys just to help others out and show them there is an easier way.

Hope you have a great day!

 

[CSR_Admin]

Whooaaa everybody. Donnie was invited here by me, it was just after a conversation we were having about the whole forum thing and he was telling me about how he does tutorials and such on the go-fast forums, I checked out some of his info and it looked helpful and productive so I encouraged him to spread some of his info here. Let's please not run him off. Perhaps if he gets a warm reception I can encourage industry professionals in other areas to be active on here too.

 

[Hampton]

Whooaaa everybody. Donnie was invited here by me, it was just after a conversation we were having about the whole forum thing and he was telling me about how he does tutorials and such on the go-fast forums, I checked out some of his info and it looked helpful and productive so I encouraged him to spread some of his info here. Let's please not run him off. Perhaps if he gets a warm reception I can encourage industry professionals in other areas to be active on here too.

Next time tell us in advance, Jim, then we'll attack the new guy for fun instead of mean-ness.

 

[CSR_Admin]

I thought I did :grin: And his only guidelines were no links and use your company name as your username so its obvious who you are. I may let links to our BOE site slide though!

 

[douglee25]

You did let us know Jim. I got the message months ago.

Doug

 

[Nehalennia]

Whooaaa everybody. Donnie was invited here by me, it was just after a conversation we were having about the whole forum thing and he was telling me about how he does tutorials and such on the go-fast forums, I checked out some of his info and it looked helpful and productive so I encouraged him to spread some of his info here. Let's please not run him off. Perhaps if he gets a warm reception I can encourage industry professionals in other areas to be active on here too.

Hey Jim,
I'm not offended by him being here, I just don't like being told by a member/business that I need something. As I said, many of the other members here have had great success with the mainstream products. This is not to say we won't eventually try MarineClean/Leverage, but I bristle when I hear "NEED" from a member that is also a vendor.

As another note, I'd like to know if vendors can buy ads for moving their products. Also many of us pay for the "Silver" or "Gold" badge. I think for vendors it should be required and a "Vendor" badge can be attached.

I love this forum because we can communicate with good and bad experiences, share advice, as more of a community. The ads and sales speeches should be in it's own area(side banner or something) so we don't have to argue with them in a thread that others are trying to learn.

I think MarineClean/Leverage can also contribute to the "hey here's a step by step way I got "these" results(post some pictures). That would be fine, but I bristle when I hear "NEED"

 

[RollerCoastr]

Donnie -

Online forum participants are suspicious of thinly-disguised and unwelcome advertisements, so some degree of backlash is normal until we get the whole story. Your post raised red flags for me until Jim chimed in. Once he did, my curiosity was piqued and I was ready to learn something.

But then you became defensive and invited forum members to NOT be your customer. If you step back and look at that again, you probably didn't mean to do that, did you?

Wouldn't you rather have added some context to your comments in a way that didn't turn off potential business? How about, "By need, what I meant was, 'If you want the best and most long-lasting results, you need my product...'"

Nehalennia had a good suggestion, imo. You have a captive audience and a product you want us to try. Why are you so resistant to offering samples? I agree that you don't want to give away your product entirely, but why not whet our appetitites?

 

[RollerCoastr]

Another angle. Jim, how about tying the benefit of samples to BOE membership?
I've never been asked, or guilted into buying a membership, which is EXACTLY why I'm willing to do it.

I think this could be a win-win-win.

 

[Hampton]

Another angle. Jim, how about tying the benefit of samples to BOE membership?
I've never been asked, or guilted into buying a membership, which is EXACTLY why I'm willing to do it.

I think this could be a win-win-win.

Have you expired?

 

[Hampton]

Just got off the phone with Donnie. He's a real down-to-earth guy, just like most of us. Perhaps his forum approach didn't fit the prescribed (unwritten) guidelines for some, but that doesn't surprise me. Forums are such strange places.

Donnie is producing products which may end up being the only competition for 3M, as they appear to buying everyone else out. I recommend giving his products a try, then judge them for what they are - or not - your choice. I am. Reference my comments way earlier in this thread about "Hamguir's," Hampton's thoughts on how to produce, number, and market surface care products such as Meguir's. It seems Donnie has been doing just that. I'll give 'em a try.

The main problem I see is that 3M is going to put their spin on the (former) Meguir's products in order to increase profits. It may happen, it may not. We may not figure it out until half a season later when our boats have begun to oxidize when they normally wouldn't have. I don't know. I believe in capitalism, and competition is at the heart of the whole system. Buying from a company without competition scares me. Meguir's has been great. Now it's another 3M product, many of which are also great. My biggest problem with Meguir's is that their compound with polish is heavier than their compound without polish. What's up with that?

I'll take the step forward and give Donnie's products a try. I'll let you know what I think.

 

[RollerCoastr]

I've never bought a sponsorship. Not because I'm unwilling, but because I don't think about it much and in spite of being an avid powerboater, I don't seek out ways to spend money.

I AM unwilling to contribute to another site. Without going into to details, I don't appreciate being tricked or guilted.

I've never felt that way about BOE or SRO.

 

[sprink56]

Only problem is that I can't drive around the corner in the morning, buy the stuff and go to work.:huh:

Donnie,

I am in the process of doing this now. Do you have a distributor in South Florida...more specifically Palm Beach County? If so, i'll give it a try.

Everyone I spoke with about this advised that I use 3M and Woody Wax...some of those I spoke with were professional detail/service companies that will do in the neighborhood of 250~300 boats a month ranging in size from 18~80 feet. Some guys like Meguire's and various others...the name of your product was not mentioned.

As you are aware, Miami-Dade, Broward and Palm Beach Counties represent one of the more active year round boating/marine markets on the planet. When you add in the Tampa/St. Pertersburg, Jacksonville, Coco Beach, Pensacola/Panama City markets you have got to know that if you are going to be in the marine industry, this is the place to HEAVILY promote you product.

I think it is safe to suggest that your business would benefit from a presence in this market.:smt001

 

[Bottom Line]

I think MarineClean/Leverage can also contribute to the "hey here's a step by step way I got "these" results(post some pictures). That would be fine, but I bristle when I hear "NEED"

Granted....Need was perhaps not the best choice of words.

I recall Jim posting that he had invited him to the site. I am glad he is here. I have not used any of his products yet, but plan to do so. I am glad he is here and can provide valuable information on the use of his products.

Todd....just cut him a little slack.....

Donnie thanks for being here.