Madison Wisconson

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In 1993 Wisconsin passed something called QEO. This held the total compensation package.

This maximum total compensation increase (3.8%) has resulted most or the entire annual compensation package to go to benefits, specifically health insurance.

Pay raises are minimal and some years pay drops.

 

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Those that can....Do

Those that cannot ...Teach

If your wife has those credentials and is unhappy with what she makes, maybe it is time for her to change jobs and find something that has compensation more suitable to her skills. No one is forced to becoming or stay a teacher..

Oh yeah, by the way, my wife is also a teacher and understands now as she did when she frst started teaching 30 years ago that she will never be rich but will be rewarded as she sees her students succeed. isn't that wat teaching is about.....teaching.

 

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3 months off? Next person that says that I come punch them in the nose.

First, its not 3 months, its 10 weeks. In addition to my 11 holidays I get 6 weeks a year and I am in the industrial manufacturing business. If you get more them me, good for you. If you get less than me then I guess those on this board that are envious of anyone that gets more the them will be envious of me also.

So is this time off? No. She takes classes to keep up her certification, takes additional classes she feels are best for her to be a good teacher then she also uses the summer to……wait for it…teach summer school classes, kids and adults.

Many friends are teachers. I am familiar with none that sit at home all summer. Most typical is teaching, some do drivers ed, some retail, some home day care, it varies but none that I know simply sit at home.

 

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Her high pay? $54,000/year. She made less than half of what I did last year. Oh, you made less than her so you are mad at her? Shot, I guess you must really hate me then, right?

If you saw my benefit package you’d really hate me. My employer even pays for my car, cell phone, internet, and more. My goodness, you must really hate me.

 

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Oh, I did lose my pension, just like many in the non-government world. She pays 10% of health care, not 0%, but she had to put nothing into her pension plan. The employer puts in 11.6% of her pay.

But wait…..what is this in my total benefit package pamphlet I get each year? ….4…..0……1…k? My employer puts money into my 401k. Actually they put more dollars in my 401k, not my money, their portion or their contribution, the total dollars are higher than her employers total dollars. IRS Rules limit how much I can put in my 401. They are not limited.

 

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You seem tense.

 

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Those that can....Do

Those that cannot ...Teach

If your wife has those credentials and is unhappy with what she makes, maybe it is time for her to change jobs and find something that has compensation more suitable to her skills. No one is forced to becoming or stay a teacher..

Oh yeah, by the way, my wife is also a teacher and understands now as she did when she frst started teaching 30 years ago that she will never be rich but will be rewarded as she sees her students succeed. isn't that wat teaching is about.....teaching.

My point is this attack on teachers is wrong.

One person even said teachers are lazy.

I do not understand the hatred on the board against teachers.

Not one fellow forum member has said one good thing about teachers.

Next lets jump on real estate sales people, doctors, all black people, all Asian people, all people of a different religion, all retired, all children, all those with successful business….oh, and anyone that makes more then me.

Look, the state has a financial problem. Things need to change. I take no issue with that.

The way people at this very board are claiming that it is OK to really change this specifically to teachers is because teachers are somehow bad is just wrong.

Saying we need to make cuts to teachers total compensation package due to financial issues is one thing. Saying we need to make cuts to teaches compensation package because teachers are bad, rich, lazy or some of the other crap I read here is just not right.

 

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according to reports, some of the affected union teachers took their students (who had no clue why they were there) to the protests in Madison to increase the #'s there...

cute. Your tax dollars at work!

Give me the verified details, not something you read by some anonymous poster in the comment section of a newspaper. I question this information.

 

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Ever take away a baby bottle from a baby? Or candy from a 2 year old? This is just silly. I have cut the fat from my budget. I am self employed with no pension and no health bennies. You don't here me whine...

I just did.

 

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What is going on is that 14 Democratic State Senators are on the run trying to postpone a vote on this new piece of legislation. Last I heard most of them were holed up in a Best Western hotel in Illinois somewhere. That is pretty darn sad if you ask me.

Where you OK with it when the republican senators did a similar delay tactic two years ago utilizing a technique called a filibuster or was that acceptable because they were republicans and republicans can do no wrong?

Once the floor is given, by rule, they cannot stop them until they are done talking. As long as they can keep talking they must be allowed to keep talking.

Only the person who has the floor can choose to yield to another of their choosing or they can stop talking, resulting in the floor being open and allowing the business at hand to progress.


Here is how they did it.

One republican senator asked a question and was given the floor.


When one senator could no longer talk another senator would ask a question. The current republican senator would simply yield to the next republican senator.

They did this over and over.

The new senator would read a book outloud, recite a recipe, tell a joke, just kept saying anything that was completely unrelated to the business at hand.

It went on and on for weeks.

It’s much easier to have an issue with the democratic stall tactic if you don’t know your history, isn’t it.

 

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Boy oh boy.

First, its not an attack on teachers at all, at least that's not how I view it. But the truth of the matter is in every budget, government or private business, people are the most expensive line item.

For years, government employees have had very rich benefit packages and due to our politicians and their spending, those benefits packages are no longer affordable, that is a fact. government is broke. As people are the most expensive line item in any budget, that's where the cuts need to come from. I really see nothing wrong with government workers paying more for their benefits

As far as collective barginning goes, I don't think any government worker should have the right to collective barginning. Why? For the simple fact that its such a conflict of interest. The unions control the democrats and as such, the democrats put in policies that benefits the unions - case in point; benefit packages

Is it the teacher in the classroom's fault - nope. Its the bozo union leaders and the politicians.

In a way, I feel bad for the rank and file government union workers. Why? because their idiot leaders (union leaders and politicians) have promised them benefits that the states simmply cannot afford any more. Look at Illinois, the unfunded pension liability is about $140 billion. There is no way the state will ever be able to make up that short fall. The union leaders know it, the politicians know it, yet, nothing is being done about it and who will eventually get screwed, the rank and file

 

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....Can you believe this new legislation requires teachers and most other state workers to actually contribute some of their own pay to towards their pension and health care coverage just like private sector employees.

What a travesty. :wow:

WELCOME TO THE REAL WORLD

Please Google Wisconsin QEO.

This 1993 republican enacted legislation set the stage for the current situation. QEO held salary down year after year as benefits took up a larger and larger portion of the total compensation.

QEO moved the pie chart way off over 18 year. Less and less % of total compensation went to pay and a larger and larger % went to benefits.

WELCOME TO THE REAL FACTS

 

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What is going on is that 14 Democratic State Senators are on the run trying to postpone a vote on this new piece of legislation. Last I heard most of them were holed up in a Best Western hotel in Illinois somewhere. That is pretty darn sad if you ask me.

Can you believe this new legislation requires teachers and most other state workers to actually contribute some of their own pay to towards their pension and health care coverage just like private sector employees.

What a travesty. :wow:

WELCOME TO THE REAL WORLD

They should be rejected from their positions and elections taken to replace them. Their work is to represent the people. I don't think the people can just up and leave the state and ignore the issues at hand.

 

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....First, its not an attack on teachers at all, at least that's not how I view it......

Thank you.

I didn’t hear a clear complement to teaches in your post but at least you did not cut them, call them lazy, on and on.

I agree changes need to be made. The current finger pointing is completely at teachers being bad, being the problem. This is on the radio talk shows, on the TV news comments from state republican governor, senators and except you, on this board.

 

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Give me the verified details, not something you read by some anonymous poster in the comment section of a newspaper. I question this information.

Actually, I was watching live news video feeds yesterday or the day before outside of the Madison building (state house?) they were protesting at. They walked up to these younger kids (HS students) and asked them why they were there... They were clueless.

Not sure what the channel/news org was that was feeding the video.

-VtSeaRay

 

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They should be rejected from their positions and elections taken to replace them. Their work is to represent the people. I don't think the people can just up and leave the state and ignore the issues at hand.

Is it alright when the republicans do legal stall tactics as I detailed above? Or is it only bad when democrats do it?

I cannot agree with you condemning this tactic if you do not also condemn the other.

 

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Now about the money……this is about a $137 Million. Our new governor has given out of state business a new $110 Million tax break……..for bringing manufacturing into Wisconsin? Nope, serviced jobs. (Walmart / McDonald type jobs)

 

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And to be honest, I don't think anyone is singling out Teachers as the issue, they're one of the groups affected that are in unions that probably touches more people than other groups on a daily basis. This is an issue with the way the packages for compensation were designed. And how monies for unions are distributed to the leadership. Our state is having similar issues (as probably the rest of the country is). School boards are having to decide how to pay teachers and which programs to kill to do it.

As far as teachers go, Unions don't care how well kids are taught(you'll never see this as an item of concern in a union discussion with a school system). Their only concern is teacher compensation and job security. Period. Students are the losers here (and taxpayers). Teachers too in a sense as the current system doesn't reward good teachers or thin out bad ones, it rewards them all equally. Union leaders are the only winners in all of this.

-VtSeaRay

 

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..... asked them why they were there... They were clueless.

If what you posted were true it would be all over the talk radio.

Many schools had student lead walk outs, protests, sit- ins and more.

I have seen no school teacher or school administration initiated school day student events.

Many reporters are desperately searching for such an event to report.

 

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And to be honest, I don't think anyone is singling out Teachers as the issue...

I offer this post as an example.

A bunch of spoiled rotten, lazy, self serving morons. That sums up the democrats in Wisconsin, now we can move on to the teachers....oh, wait, that pretty much applies to both, doesn't it?