460 DA Owners Thread

[NotHerDecision]

The water lines are 15mm pex with sea tech fittings so really no need to replace. Feel free to take the sofa out but I promise you can get the washer out far enough and tilt it forward to access the back of it, just remove the doors to the cabinet. I looked back for a picture but of course I don’t have one.


the electronics upgrade is definitely nice. Don’t overlook the NMEA 2000 backbone, a heading sensor so your radar properly overlays on the charts as well as AIS.

Post some pics.

 

[All's Well]

As others have said, I would have thought that the easiest access to the washer and wrinkler is from the rear by pulling the refrigerator out. This way the washer can remain stationary and be much easier to get to hoses and drier vent to reattach.

 

[45Gunner]

The water lines are 15mm pex with sea tech fittings so really no need to replace. Feel free to take the sofa out but I promise you can get the washer out far enough and tilt it forward to access the back of it, just remove the doors to the cabinet. I looked back for a picture but of course I don’t have one.


the electronics upgrade is definitely nice. Don’t overlook the NMEA 2000 backbone, a heading sensor so your radar properly overlays on the charts as well as AIS.

Post some pics.

Not sure the water line leak is from the washer. If it from some other water hose back there, would they be accessible by using your method? (I sure hope so.)

 

[NotHerDecision]

45Gunner

Either way you need to remove the doors to the washer. That being said, you may as well try my method first. If it doesn't work then oh well. All's well also had a 460 before he joined the superyacht club (j/k) so he may also be correct about getting to it from behind the refrigerator. Don't know how small you are but I can fit behind my refrigerator by going above it through the cabinet and dropping down... BUT have another person with you because I cannot get out by myself.

Josh

 

[45Gunner]

45Gunner

Either way you need to remove the doors to the washer. so yo may as well try my method first. If i doesn't work then oh well. All's well also had a 460 before he joined the superyacht club (j/k) so he may also be correct about getting to it from behind the refrigerator. Don't know how small you are but I can fit behind my refrigerator by going above it through the cabinet and dropping down... BUT have another person with you because I cannot get out by myself.

Josh

I'm a big guy at 6'2" and 250lbs. My mechanic, however, is about 5'10' and maybe 150 lbs. I have a pretty severe spinal cord injury, but I'm mobile with help from injections from my pain management doc, so my mechanic does the work where I have trouble contorting. I'll discuss this with him. He's a very methodical guy.

I really appreciate the feedback. Sold my last boat over 25 years ago after many, many boats and years and years of boating. I knew every boat and was able to do most work by myself. Pardon the pun, but that ship has sailed and I have to pay someone to do what I can no longer do. This last sentence is the most difficult one to express and it takes a lot to realize especially when I thought I was a superman and could most anything.

 

["Lawn Jockey"]

Have any of you ever replaced the back lighting strips on the panel that is to the right side of the helm seat. On mine, I assumed it was bulb(s) that were out. I pulled it out yesterday and, of course, it wasn't the easy/simple fix I was imagining. Across each the top of each row, my boat has these thin strips. I am not sure if they are original or not. I can tell they have been there for some time though. I carefully took pics and put it all back in before I ran out of patience.

 

[NotHerDecision]

I have actually. It is EL wire. So you need el wire and the transformer that goes with it. Not expensive but you have to be patient.
Here’s the process.


remove the old el wire and tape and order the following.

The correct length of EL wire (-a little longer is okay)
Hot glue gun
Aluminum duct tape ( the ac kind)

Then you replace the el wire with new and dab hot glue along the way to keep it in the channel. Then tape over it all with the aluminum duct tape.

 

[ZZ13]

I have actually. It is EL wire. So you need el wire and the transformer that goes with it. Not expensive but you have to be patient.
Here’s the process.


remove the old el wire and tape and order the following.

The correct length of EL wire (-a little longer is okay)
Hot glue gun
Aluminum duct tape ( the ac kind)

Then you replace the el wire with new and dab hot glue along the way to keep it in the channel. Then tape over it all with the aluminum duct tape.

When mine went I tried the EL wire and the stuff I bought lasted less than a year. I tried it three times. Guess I bought cheap stuff. So I finally just mounted a 12v light inside the helm that shines onto the back of the panel.

 

[TheWolfTC]

When mine went I tried the EL wire and the stuff I bought lasted less than a year. I tried it three times. Guess I bought cheap stuff. So I finally just mounted a 12v light inside the helm that shines onto the back of the panel.

I did mine last winter when I replaced the entire wood grain panel. Rather than the el wire, I used blue led strips..attached to the same module so that they would dim, and voila, it was really easy. I did use the metal tape as described earlier on the backside.

 

[TheWolfTC]

After an abundance of research on my part and independent research on the part of my mechanic, we have concluded the aft stateroom sofa must come out and the washer/dryer pulled out in order to get at all the hoses back there. Since the boat is 20 years old and a fair guess that all the hoses are original, we will change as many as possible.

I have accessed the washer/wrinkler several times from behind the fridge. Not an issue to get to the connections from there.
I have also removed the sofa/bed twice. Take the 4 screws off and the back sofa panel off first, this will make it 100X easier. slide the bunk all the way forward and remove floor screws then return it to the full back position before disconnecting the wires. Now it will fit out the door and into the salon.

In my opinion, you will STILL need to go behind the fridge to disconnect the exhaust vent hose from the dryer, you can't pull it out far enough into the mid-berth to get it off, nor will the freshwater lines stretch that far. Either way, you are going behind the fridge to disconnect it as well as unplug it. I would go that route before removing the sofa.

Side note:
If you are behind the fridge and you see the accumulator tank and it is original, now is a good time to replace that as well. My 99 has it behind the fridge, but it may be different on the 2000 or newer.

Hope that helps.

 

[TheWolfTC]

I love your updates! 30 hours in a month is pretty impressive actually. Most of these ole’ boats barely get 100 per year!

I finally got all the fuel and oil lines rerouted on my generator as well as the electrical all coming out the left side so I can order my sound shield with proper cutouts. Also got the motor mounts replaced. Just want to clean a bit more and paint before I do anything else with it. Also replaced the exhaust hose clamps on the overboard discharge line. Those clamps were NOT in good shape so I can recommend everyone checking theirs.
The most fun job I did last week was replacing the tank savers in the holding tank. It was smelly but I ended up using a camco wand off amazon and the tanks are almost spotless now!View attachment 79867View attachment 79868

I have what may be a silly question. My generator does not have that hose coming off the black intake housing...where does the hose lead on yours????

 

["Lawn Jockey"]

I did mine last winter when I replaced the entire wood grain panel. Rather than the el wire, I used blue led strips..attached to the same module so that they would dim, and voila, it was really easy. I did use the metal tape as described earlier on the backside.
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Thanks Bill!
When you did the panel, did you buy from FP MArine, Techographic, or elsewhere? I was pricing new panels the other day for electroncis upgrade too. I wasn't going to replace this side one, but now might as well.

 

[NotHerDecision]

That hose was my idea. I will shorten it when I get the generator sound shield, I was just fitting it to see if it would work. I figure it's better for the generator to get fresh air then trying to suck it from under the cover. It's just a piece of 1.25" radiator hose.

In my opinion, Tecnografic has much higher quality panels then anyone else. They made the original panels for Searay and they match perfectly. The FP Panels are decent but just don't have the pattern exactly or the correct beveled edges.

 

[TheWolfTC]

Thanks Bill!
When you did the panel, did you buy from FP MArine, Techographic, or elsewhere? I was pricing new panels the other day for electroncis upgrade too. I wasn't going to replace this side one, but now might as well.

I ordered from FP Marine. Ken is a great guy and I have been able to work well with him on this type of stuff.

 

[fr8dog]

I have accessed the washer/wrinkler several times from behind the fridge. Not an issue to get to the connections from there.
I have also removed the sofa/bed twice. Take the 4 screws off and the back sofa panel off first, this will make it 100X easier. slide the bunk all the way forward and remove floor screws then return it to the full back position before disconnecting the wires. Now it will fit out the door and into the salon.

In my opinion, you will STILL need to go behind the fridge to disconnect the exhaust vent hose from the dryer, you can't pull it out far enough into the mid-berth to get it off, nor will the freshwater lines stretch that far. Either way, you are going behind the fridge to disconnect it as well as unplug it. I would go that route before removing the sofa.

Side note:
If you are behind the fridge and you see the accumulator tank and it is original, now is a good time to replace that as well. My 99 has it behind the fridge, but it may be different on the 2000 or newer.

Hope that helps.

Since you are in salt water I would also recommend that while you are behind the fridge, you replace the 90 degree hose fitting at the end of the common drain with a straight fitting. The fitting is for the forward air conditioner raw water. It's a common choke point when little shells grow in the system.

 

[Jaws]

I ordered from FP Marine. Ken is a great guy and I have been able to work well with him on this type of stuff.

Looks like a few of us are in the process of electronics, again. (But when you love the boat and don't want to sell or trade, you must do the updates to keep her modern.)
I tried an F.P. panel last fall for the "Accessory" area to port because I was switching from Classic E screens to Axiom/Axiom Pro MFDs. (The dash might be different in the 2002-5 versions vs '01 and earlier.) Anyways, I made the mistake of trying to do the instrument cutouts myself because I wasn't exactly clear on the spacing of the two screens. Well, I got a slight delamination of the panel in the process and that wasn't acceptable. So I spoke with Technografic at FLIBS in November and I have been working with Sam Sladon. Their panels are thicker and of course more expensive but I had them do all the laser cutting. Doing a trial fit in a couple of days to see how they look.

 

[45Gunner]

Thought I would like to mention that of all the forums to which I subscribe for all my vices, this SeaRay Owners Site is "thee" most informative as fellow owners are anxious to share their knowledge and information. Thanks guys. I am grateful...and appreciative.

When I ran a 40 year straight streak of boating, I was up to speed on most issues that would have affected my boat(s). After a 20+ year sabbatical, advances in building techniques, technology, etc., I find, with your input, I am slowly coming up to speed. What has not slowed down is my ability to spend money.

 

[45Gunner]

So my mechanic arrived at my boat this morning armed with information I supplied him from information I obtained here at Club SeaRay. He pulled out the refrigerator (definitely less time and money than pulling out the sofa) and immediately found the source of the water leak...it was the accumulator that lives back there. Most likely original and made of mere plastic. I had to leave to do other things but he was on his way to pickup a new accumulator and it should be installed later this afternoon, the refrigerator replaced, and every thing back to the way it should be. Thanks again guys for all the good information you provided for me.

 

[45Gunner]

The overboard discharge system was removed from my boat by the previous owner. Apparently the State the boat was in had a law that allowed the powers that be to fine the owner everyday a system to discharge waste overboard was operable. I have the pump that was removed. I had a discussion with my mechanic about reinstalling the pump and getting the overboard discharge system operable again. Does anyone have any tips? solutions? shortcuts? ideas? suggestions?

Next on the list is doing an "annual" oil and filter change, etc. I purchased the boat in December and have put 30 hours on it. The previous owner did a lot of his own work and the best I can determine the oil had about 50 hours when I took ownership. Its getting close. Although our season here in South Florida is all year round, I want to go into the summer with fresh everything. I have a trip planned for the summer that will put about 300 hours on the engines so that means at least two oil and filter changes while traveling and one more at the home dock upon returning.

 

[45Gunner]

Don't mean to hog space here in the forum but I have a million questions and I know there are answers out there among you. Since I am planning a long distance, multi-month trip with the 460 this summer, I will spend a portion of the time either at anchor or at a mooring. I remember from my previous boating life that sometimes having a dingy can be a real pain. I was reading that SeaDoo has a PWC that weights in at just over 400 lbs and it looks like it would fit very nicely on my hydraulic swim platform. Wondering how many of you drag a PWC with you? Do you have any pro's, con's, feedback? Suggestions? I bounced this off my wife and it seems her and I have regressed back to our youth at about the same time as she is game to ride a PWC back and forth. We also thought it would be fun for the grandkids to play with when they come to visit.