220 DA thread

OK, thanks !
But how can it be filled with water. Where is it comming from?

It is not at part of the boat I have investigated before, and words like shower bilge and shower bilge pump is new to me. Can you explain, please :smt001

I think there is a small hole in the compartment in the side pointing towards the front of the boat.
 
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If the boat was on land, and the bow tilted downward, I believe water can make it's way to that area. If the boat is in the water it can come from a few places: A deck leak, the water that goes down the shower drain, or possibly a leaky sink drain. I had water accumulating at the aft wall of the mid berth. Turned out to be the galley sink drain leaking, and water making it's way to that back wall. Too bad the prior owner didn't realize this, before it discolored the wall covering.

As far as how the shower drain works... it's below the water line, so the only way used shower water can exit is to be pumped out. It just goes down the drain, and settles in the forward bilge, and then hopefully gets pumped out by the bilge pump. If you have a shower and no bilge pump, I would guess the prior owner didn't use the shower, so when he realized the pump was bad he just removed it???? Hope this helps a bit.
 
Danny Troy said:
If the boat was on land, and the bow tilted downward, I believe water can make it's way to that area. If the boat is in the water it can come from a few places: A deck leak, the water that goes down the shower drain, or possibly a leaky sink drain. I had water accumulating at the aft wall of the mid berth. Turned out to be the galley sink drain leaking, and water making it's way to that back wall. Too bad the prior owner didn't realize this, before it discolored the wall covering.

As far as how the shower drain works... it's below the water line, so the only way used shower water can exit is to be pumped out. It just goes down the drain, and settles in the forward bilge, and then hopefully gets pumped out by the bilge pump. If you have a shower and no bilge pump, I would guess the prior owner didn't use the shower, so when he realized the pump was bad he just removed it???? Hope this helps a bit.
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Thanks Danny. It shure helps. English is not my first language as you might have noticed and I have some trouble with specific boating language.
When I hear the word shower, it means bath to me, and there is no bathroom on my boat. Is it in the meaning "Toilet"?.


Well, this is the setup:
  • In the bathroom/toiletroom I have a sink with water supplied from the freshwater pump in the engine compartment. I have at Jabsco toilet. Under the sink there is 2 seacocks (i think it is called). One seacock for water outbound and one for inbound. If water from the toilet, seacocks or sink can find its way to the "shower sump compartment" there must be an error - a leak that has to be fixed.
  • And of course I have a sink at the galley, and there is water from the freshwater pump there aswell.
I don't know how bilge pipes are connected in the boat.
Water in the engine compartment, is pumped out by the bilge pumps through a hole in starboard site above the water line.
Then there is a very small hole in the bow above the water line. Don't know what it is meant for.
Is there a pipe in the bottom of the boat going from the front to the back?

Well, a lot of questions. Apologize for the lack of english.:smt089
 
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Klopf said:
Thanks Danny. It shure helps. English is not my first language as you might have noticed and I have some trouble with specific boating language.
When I hear the word shower, it means bath to me, and there is no bathroom on my boat. Is it in the meaning "Toilet"?.



Well, this is the setup:
  • In the bathroom/toiletroom I have a sink with water supplied from the freshwater pump in the engine compartment. I have at Jabsco toilet. Under the sink there is 2 seacocks (i think it is called). One seacock for water outbound and one for inbound. If water from the toilet, seacocks or sink can find its way to the "shower sump compartment" there must be an error - a leak that has to be fixed.
  • And of course I have a sink at the galley, and there is water from the freshwater pump there aswell.
I don't know how bilge pipes are connected in the boat.
Water in the engine compartment, is pumped out by the bilge pumps through a hole in starboard site above the water line.
Then there is a very small hole in the bow above the water line. Don't know what it is meant for.
Is there a pipe in the bottom of the boat going from the front to the back?

Well, a lot of questions. Apologize for the lack of english.:smt089
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First, I hope this link works, because this is the hatch I just added to the area below the sink: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/e...0260910121&viewitem=&sspagename=STRK:MEWNX:IT With this hatch you can easily access the plumbing below the sink, and see what is going on there...and repair leak, if necessary. I've seen other 220's on the Net with a similar hatch installed. Too bad it wasn't done by the factory. After installing it I wound up with a little extra storage area for potti deodorizer, and toilet paper, show head, etc. You can also access those pipes from the mid berth. I believe there is a plate that you can remove to see the sink area.

It would be very easy to spot a leak in the galley sink, since you just look below it in the storage compartment, while water is draining. It drains directly to the port side.

As far as the small fitting at the front of the boat, that is drainage for the anchor locker. The locker is designed so that any water will drain out that hole.

Hopefully someone else familiar with the 220 can give you more ideas..... and by the way... your English is pretty good to me, but: We call the toilet a "head" on a boat.... bathroom or toilet at home, although they are also called "the can" "the john", and a few other names. And, a shower comes from above, and a bath is what you sit in to wash. :thumbsup:
 
Thanks :thumbsup:

I went through the manual yesterday and it says that not all 220s have a bilge pump in the shower sump compartment. Where does the water go from the pump? There must be an outtake somewhere.
 
I'm not exactly sure, but I'd bet on the starboard side. If I was at the boat I could look under the sink and see where the two fittings were from, although I know for sure one is from the sink. I attached a photo, and you can see the two fittings on the starboard side. If you add the hatch cover to the sink you will be able to get to that side and install another fitting if needed. You can get 12v on that side to power the pump, but you will have to find a 12v wire in the harness that is accessible in the mid berth. I believe the starboard side of the mid berth has a cover that can be easily removed, exposing the wiring. You should be able to get 12v from there. If Quint is reading this he can chime in and be helpful here. He's done a lot of wiring on the 220. I'm sure it's not the easiest job to do, and at time it looks like they put these things in at the factory and built the boat around them.
 
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Danny Troy said:
I'm not exactly sure, but I'd bet on the starboard side. If I was at the boat I could look under the sink and see where the two fittings were from, although I know for sure one is from the sink. I attached a photo, and you can see the two fittings on the starboard side. If you add the hatch cover to the sink you will be able to get to that side and install another fitting if needed. You can get 12v on that side to power the pump, but you will have to find a 12v wire in the harness that is accessible in the mid berth. I believe the starboard side of the mid berth has a cover that can be easily removed, exposing the wiring. You should be able to get 12v from there. If Quint is reading this he can chime in and be helpful here. He's done a lot of wiring on the 220. I'm sure it's not the easiest job to do, and at time it looks like they put these things in at the factory and built the boat around them.
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Yeah - I get it. I only have one fitting where you have two. No problem to get access under the sink. There is a hatch, and there is access from the mid cabin aswell. 12v is no problem either. I think wires are supposed to go via the engine compartment where there is a fuse box for all bilge pumps. But I guess i'll be taking 12v from behind the dashboard. Thanks again - you have been a very typical american - very helpfull :smt038
 
Klopf .... Take a look Under the mid cabin bunk (bed) ... on my boat the outlet pipe runs from the shower bilge pump runs under the bunk and on to an outlet on the starboard hull.
Also you say you have water in the shower bilge compartment even though you havent showered ? ... Have you cleaned / washed the toilet floor then rinsed with water ? ,,,look in the heads (toilet) floor, just in the right hand corner as you enter,,, is there a drain hole there ? ... if so, thats where the shower water drains down into the shower bilge compartment, you should have a small bilge pump in the shower bilge compartment to take the shower water away.
Also .... have you had your canopy off recently ? or does it leak ? ,,,, the reason i ask is... on my boat, on the bottom step as you come down into the cabin,, there is a small drain hole ,,, It may be different on yours, but on mine that drain is piped down into the shower bilge compartment too, as well as the one from the shower,
again,,, this water is then taken away by the small bilge pump in the shower bilge compartment.
That MAY be where the water is coming from if you havent showered.

I hope i havent confused you further.

John.
 
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Hi am new to this club. I saw your question about the rear seat hinge. Did you ever get an answer as i need a pair.
 
UK John said:
Klopf .... Take a look Under the mid cabin bunk (bed) ... on my boat the outlet pipe runs from the shower bilge pump runs under the bunk and on to an outlet on the starboard hull.
Also you say you have water in the shower bilge compartment even though you havent showered ? ... Have you cleaned / washed the toilet floor then rinsed with water ? ,,,look in the heads (toilet) floor, just in the right hand corner as you enter,,, is there a drain hole there ? ... if so, thats where the shower water drains down into the shower bilge compartment, you should have a small bilge pump in the shower bilge compartment to take the shower water away.
Also .... have you had your canopy off recently ? or does it leak ? ,,,, the reason i ask is... on my boat, on the bottom step as you come down into the cabin,, there is a small drain hole ,,, It may be different on yours, but on mine that drain is piped down into the shower bilge compartment too, as well as the one from the shower,
again,,, this water is then taken away by the small bilge pump in the shower bilge compartment.
That MAY be where the water is coming from if you havent showered.

I hope i havent confused you further.

John.
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No, you havent confused me at all. Your answer is pretty straight forward and clear to me. I have been in Berlin for a couple of days and havent been able to investigate further. I will for shure look after the drain holes you mention. From time to time I have had water down the steps to the cabin. If there is a drain hole down there which is piped to the shower bilge compartment, it could be the place to watch. I havent used the shower at all, so I doubt that water is comming from that room.

Thanks for all your help. I will look for drain holes next time I visit the boat.

By the way. What kind of bilge pump are you using? Is it similar to the one with the float in the bilge compartment?
 
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Hi am new to this club. I saw your question about the rear seat hinge. Did you ever get an answer as i need a pair.
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Hi, not sure if you were looking at my post for the hinge. I did not see an answer to the question. There is something similar from West Marine but, rather expensive. I'd like to keep the original hardware if possible.

Anyone? Stern folding seat hinges?
 
Klopf said:
No, you havent confused me at all. Your answer is pretty straight forward and clear to me. I have been in Berlin for a couple of days and havent been able to investigate further. I will for shure look after the drain holes you mention. From time to time I have had water down the steps to the cabin. If there is a drain hole down there which is piped to the shower bilge compartment, it could be the place to watch. I havent used the shower at all, so I doubt that water is comming from that room.

Thanks for all your help. I will look for drain holes next time I visit the boat.

By the way. What kind of bilge pump are you using? Is it similar to the one with the float in the bilge compartment?
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Hi again Klopf ............ My shower bilge pump is the same as in the engine bay bilge , but just a smaller version.
My engine bay bilge pump is a 2400 gallons per hour ,,,,, and the pump in the shower bilge compartment is just a small 400 gallons per hour ,,, but is quite adequate for showering. both are triggered by their own float switches.

hope that helps .........john
 

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Hello all Hello Klopf
Haven’t been on CSR in weeks.:smt089 I have posted a homemade pluming diagram of my 220DA hope this helps :huh:
 

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I will investigate the shower bilge compartment to find out how and where the bilge pump could be mounted. As far as I remember, the flat area of the bottom is not very big. I suppose the bilge pump has to be mounted on a flat area.
 
isola said:
Hello all Hello Klopf
Haven’t been on CSR in weeks.:smt089 I have posted a homemade pluming diagram of my 220DA hope this helps :huh:
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Thanks for the diagram Isola ,,,,, now i`m confused too,,,,,,,,,,hheheheheeh.
Is my boat the only one with two inlets into the shower bilge compartment then ? or does anyone else have two inlets there ? .
on mine,,, The one that enters from starboard side is from shower,,,, and the one that enters from port side i thought, ( until i saw your sketch ) came from the drain hole in the bottom step.
If the step drain goes directly out to the port hull as yours does,,,,then i`m now wondering what the other inlet could be from ? ..
... hmmmm... more investigating required me thinks.

Thanks Isola ....... john
 
and by the way ,,,,,, so whats the small compartment in front of the shower bilge compartment for then ?? the one youve called " small bilge fwd " on your diagram .
on mine theres no inlets or outlets,,just a small, rectangular, dry hole... ?

thx again,,,,,,,,,,,john
 
UK John said:
and by the way ,,,,,, so whats the small compartment in front of the shower bilge compartment for then ?? the one youve called " small bilge fwd " on your diagram .
on mine theres no inlets or outlets,,just a small, rectangular, dry hole... ?

thx again,,,,,,,,,,,john
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On my boat: There is an inlet/outlet between the small bilge fwd and the large bilge. The large bilge is one singe unit. It's not devided into two rooms. As far as I can see, there is absolutely no inlets from anywhere to the large bilge. And I can't find a drain hole in the last step either.
 
Cockpit or mooring cover.

You would have to get one custom made.
 
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