This Smoking Ban Craze Has Gone Too Far!

Yet another unneccesary comment, "Having to pay to keep those idiots alive is yet another reason it's a stupid habit best eliminated entirely." Are you serious? You are now an advocate of a complete removal of ones civil liberty because it cost tax money to take care of "those idiots?" I can think of plenty of things our government wastes tax money on, but I am not sure this is at the top of my list. Last I checked, until Obama gets his way, most healthcare is private. If someone is being kept alive in the manner you describe, chances are they have been a burden on society, and payed by the government to sit on their porch, and live out their entire lives anyway. I pay over $1000/month for my healthcare, but if you would like the right to say you pay for it, I will glady give you an address so you may forward a check.
 
wkearney99 said:
+1 on the 'luck' joke.

The next question is which is more expensive for the rest of us? Chemo is pricey, but so's a decade's worth of O2 bottles and home care. Having to pay to keep those idiots alive is yet another reason it's a stupid habit best eliminated entirely.
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I never under stood the reason you ended up in a bathroom fixture, now I do.
 
chris41483 said:
..... but if you would like the right to say you pay for it, I will gladly give you an address so you may forward a check.
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+1:thumbsup:

Do you think he would pay for mine too.:thumbsup:

-1 on the lung cancer joke. IMHO - Just plain bad taste.
 
The problem here is that people are biased due to their own interests. A person who does not like to boat would be all for a boating ban. A person who does not drink alcohol would probably support legislation to ban that. A person who does not like to hunt would support the banning of that.

My point; try to look at the big picture. Are you imposing your personal preference on someone elses lifestyle? Think of something you enjoy. Is there anything you can think of that someone else may derive as negative from that activity?

This is just a gateway to larger government, and fewer civil liberties. It will surface its head again, and more rights will be taken from those who advocate this very thing.
 
And some people just like to argue. Take our friend jg.....he managed to get himself banned from the shopsmith forum for the same crap.....although they seem to run a much tighter ship over there. I took a quick look at his posts, and while they were often condescending and argumentative.....it was way milder than the stuff that goes on around here.

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See for yourself:
http://www.shopsmith.net/forums/search.htm?searchid=81929
 
My parents didn’t smoke or drink(their choice) but some of their friends and family did.(their choice) At home ashtrays were available if needed and my mother usually kept some whiskey and brandy around incase some of the old timers wanted a nip.(that was her choice) Often my Aunt Mabel wouldn’t come if she thought Uncle Lew would be there(he smoked them stinky cigars, so of course, she made a choice) In the early sixties mom decided no more smoking in the house.(that was her choice) Some visitors didn’t like that and didn’t come as often.(that was their choice)

I’m a lifelong smoker. Smoking is a nasty habit, no argument from me on that but I think an equally important part of the smoking debate is the right to make a choice.

Recently a CSR poster in one of the southern states told of a change on some of his area lakes. If your boat is moving, all aboard must wear a life preserver, not just children, everyone. If you swim in other than the designated areas you must wear a life preserver, not just children, everybody. I don’t even call that swimming but I guess it doesn’t matter what I call it because on those lakes I don’t have a choice. Government limiting our choices? Remember the phrase ‘it’s a slippery slope’.
 
1stSeaRay said:
And some people just like to argue. Take our friend jg.....he managed to get himself banned from the shopsmith forum for the same crap.....http://www.shopsmith.net/forums/search.htm?searchid=81929
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That must have been touchy stuff...

"Use a DOVETAIL joint you A$$hole! Not finger joints! Only an f'ing MORON would use a finger joint!" "Sc*&w you! Mitering finger joints is the only way REAL men build Queen Anne dressers you f'in' FREAK of nature!"...

Good times there, my friends.
 
JediJD said:
That must have been touchy stuff...

"Use a DOVETAIL joint you A$$hole! Not finger joints! Only an f'ing MORON would use a finger joint!" "Sc*&w you! Mitering finger joints is the only way REAL men build Queen Anne dressers you f'in' FREAK of nature!"...

Good times there, my friends.
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:smt043:smt043
 
JediJD said:
Do I get to choose not to care for fat people? How about liver problems for problem drinkers...I don't particularly want to support that. AID's maybe? Again, the issue is not whether smoking is bad for you...it is. The issue is the limit you will accept with respect to your behavior in exchange for the limits you wish to impose on others.
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Ah, the last refuge of a losing argument, try to equate it with something entirely unrelated. Good luck with that.
 
OK, which IS more expensive? Obesity? AID's? Liver disease? Smoking? In many cases behavioral in nature. Your argument for imposing restrictions on behavior you disapprove is financially based. I suggest that behaviors you may indulge or approve are likewise subject to public censure. Is it OK for the Chuck1's of the world to remove your choices...especially after you hope he gets lucky enough to get cancer?
 
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I have never understood the government trying to ban smoking and use of all tobacco, yet they provide a subsidy to tobacco farmers to grow it.
On second thought, I do understand, it's called money, votes and lobbyists.
 
JediJD said:
+1 on "That's pretty adult" to you as well

Do I get to choose not to care for fat people? How about liver problems for problem drinkers...I don't particularly want to support that. AID's maybe? Again, the issue is not whether smoking is bad for you...it is. The issue is the limit you will accept with respect to your behavior in exchange for the limits you wish to impose on others.
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wkearney99 said:
Ah, the last refuge of a losing argument, try to equate it with something entirely unrelated. Good luck with that.
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It's the same, just substitute French fries and cheese burgers or un safe sex or pick your favorite alcoholic beverage with cigarettes.
 
wkearney99 said:
Ah, the last refuge of a losing argument, try to equate it with something entirely unrelated. Good luck with that.
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Now where is that urinal picture?

JediJD
....Again, the issue is not whether smoking is bad for you...it is. The issue is the limit you will accept with respect to your behavior in exchange for the limits you wish to impose on others.
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Yep that is the whole point of this thread:thumbsup:
 
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Jack F said:
It's the same, just substitute French fries and cheese burgers or un safe sex or pick your favorite alcoholic beverage with cigarettes.
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No, it's nowhere near the same. But what'd be the point of arguing it when you can't even see that?

Fortunately legislators see the value passing such legislation and are succeeding in getting it implemented in more and more jurisdictions. Good for them, and good for the health of our fellow citizens. Be they too stupid to realize it or not.
 
wkearney99 said:
No, it's nowhere near the same. But what'd be the point of arguing it when you can't even see that?

Fortunately legislators see the value passing such legislation and are succeeding in getting it implemented in more and more jurisdictions. Good for them, and good for the health of our fellow citizens. Be they too stupid to realize it or not.
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My name is William, Bill for short...

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wkearney99 said:
No, it's nowhere near the same. But what'd be the point of arguing it when you can't even see that?

Fortunately legislators see the value passing such legislation and are succeeding in getting it implemented in more and more jurisdictions. Good for them, and good for the health of our fellow citizens. Be they too stupid to realize it or not.
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Ahhh, thank goodness for all of "them" looking out for us right? They are certainly more wise than all the "stupid" masses!

So, how is the weather up there?? :thumbsup:

Oh, and Jedi makes an excellent point. All the items he listed are choices one personally makes. What is that beer slogan? "Know when to say when"

And everything effects others either directly or indirectly if you have a good enough lawyer!:grin: "
 
wkearney99 said:
... Fortunately legislators see the value passing such legislation and are succeeding in getting it implemented in more and more jurisdictions. Good for them, and good for the health of our fellow citizens. Be they too stupid to realize it or not.
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Glad to see where you stand. People are not smart enough to make decisions so the government needs to do it for them.... ye that sounds like what the USA/Constitution/Bill of Rights stands for, not:smt021

What gives you the right to say what people should or should not do.
 
chuck1 said:
Glad to see where you stand. People are not smart enough to make decisions so the government needs to do it for them.... ye that sounds like what the SA/Constitution/Bill of Rights stands for, not
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Oh well, meanwhile all you'll do is whinge about it online. The rest will benefit from not having to put up with the stink from the smokers. Sounds like a win.
 
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Oh well, meanwhile all you'll do is whinge about it online. The rest will benefit from not having to put up with the stink from the smokers. Sounds like a win.[/quote]


I would be willing to bet you have a solid forum of voters on here. Just probably more who believe in personal responsibility than you may prefer. Perhaps that is omitted from the dictionary up there on your lofty perch!?:smt017
 
wkearney99 said:
Oh well, meanwhile all you'll do is whinge about it online. The rest will benefit from not having to put up with the stink from the smokers. Sounds like a win.
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I think they should throw guys in jail for posting pictures on the internet of their wives breast feeding.
 
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