This Smoking Ban Craze Has Gone Too Far!

[jg300da]

Ok, some direct hits and not undeserved. I'll take whatever insults come my way without further complaint or retaliation.
For the sake of reasonable discussion and because this is an important concern, does anyone else think that the issue of second hand smoke is a legitimate one? And if so, do you believe it infringes on the rights of non-smokers, children etc.?

 

[Four Suns]

Ok, some direct hits and not undeserved. I'll take whatever insults come my way without further complaint or retaliation.

You're a dick.

 

[1stSeaRay]

What’s an asshat?

Ass-hat
One whose head is so far up their rear end it could pass for a hat; used to describe a person who is stubborn, cruel, or otherwise unpleasant to be around.

 

[STIHLBOLTS]

Circumstances would dictate if it infringes on anyone else. As a example this Saturday while standing outside waiting in line at the movie theater I could smell the smoke of a couple of people sanding 30-40 feet from me. The wind was blowing in my direction and it did not smell good. If anyone else was affected by the smoke I could not tell. But being a prior smoker my extra sensitivity to smoke kicks in pretty good. We were in a public pavilion and they were with in their rights to smoke next to the butt kit placed there for smokers. Now had we been inside and I could not move around and get away from the smoke, I would say yes they were infringing on my right to choose to be smoke free. :grin:

 

[skibum]

It is only a legitimate argument as long a tobacco has not been outlawed, and up until the poing where you start telling the owners of a building that they unconditionally have no right to choose wether or not to allow a legal activity to occur within the confines of their building. Bottom line is that even if the best restaurant in town allows smoking, non smokers should not be able to just say "We heard the food in there is great, but we won't go in there because they allow smoke. Make them not allow smoking so we can go eat there." and get their way.

The whole point of this thread wasn't about smoking. It was about taking away freedom from people just because you can.

Outdoor bans are just lawmakers getting overzealous. I can see providing non smoking areas in certain sections of baseball parks, amusement parks, etc., but the decision of how many, and where should be left solely up to the owner or operator of the establishment. Blanket outdoor bans are just BS.

Michael

 

[billandamy]

Ok, some direct hits and not undeserved. I'll take whatever insults come my way without further complaint or retaliation.
For the sake of reasonable discussion and because this is an important concern, does anyone else think that the issue of second hand smoke is a legitimate one? And if so, do you believe it infringes on the rights of non-smokers, children etc.?

Yes, the legitimacy of second hand smoke is real, and I will agree with any bans for enclosed public spaces, and although dont agree with private places being forced by the government (such as restaurants etc...) to be non-smoking, I can see why some people would not want to eat and breath in smoke. I get it.

When they start initiating laws in outdoor areas just to make themselves justified by making a useless "feel good" law, then I start calling bull**** on the whole thing.

IMO, it is political crap to make the general population think they are actually working instead of getting head.

 

[jg300da]

The whole point of this thread wasn't about smoking. It was about taking away freedom from people just because you can.

Michael

True, it wasn't. But there's a connection, and it may (I say may) not be just overzealous law makers acting arbitrarily.
For a second view this as it's own issue. If in fact second hand smoke is proven to cause health issues (lung disease etc.) aren't non-smokers giving up their rights whenever they're in a public space where smoking is not banned?

 

[STIHLBOLTS]

aren't non-smokers giving up their rights whenever they're in a public space where smoking is not banned? ]

If that were the case we need to put a stop to every train, diesel truck, farm tractor, duramax, Cummings, power stroke, Volkswagen, Mercedes and any other diesel motor for the smoke and soot the put out. And don't forget about all the coal fired power plants, paper mills and everything else out there. At some point we just need to quit doing anything and just take up basket weaving. We can all live to be 120 sitting around staring at each other and finally die of boredom.

 

[JediJD]

:smt038

Thanks! I needed a chuckle.

 

[ImpulseIII]

If that were the case we need to put a stop to every train, diesel truck, farm tractor, duramax, Cummings, power stroke, Volkswagen, Mercedes and any other diesel motor for the smoke and soot the put out. And don't forget about all the coal fired power plants, paper mills and everything else out there. At some point we just need to quit doing anything and just take up basket weaving. We can all live to be 120 sitting around staring at each other and finally die of boredom.

you forgot Caterpillar.....

 

[STIHLBOLTS]

Now you know Cat's don't smoke, the purrr....:smt043

 

[Hampton]

Without knowing about this thread, my wife told me about people she has recently seen smoking in their cars with 1/2 of their bodies hanging out of the window to avoid getting smoke in their cars. The result? Smoke flows freely into my wife's car if she's stuck behind them. It affects her negatively. We've discussed how to avoid it - recirculate on A/C, roll up windows, isolate oneself from otherwise beautiful day, change lanes to slower lane - unfortunate, but part of life. No other comments on this one.

I can understand the occassional cigarette thing. I used to go off and have a cigarette with a boating buddy of mine at the island. It was a chance to get away and do a little male bonding. He quit. I never really smoked. I like a quality cigar, though. The smell, the appreciation of the crop, the artistry in rolling it, the little buzz, and the breath (ok, not the last part).

 

[skibum]

If you add to the end of that statement, that we depend on the government while staring at each other, you have just given THE ABSOLUTE BEST description of Obama's vision of the future that I have ever heard!!!!

Scott just nailed it. This is just one more step in a coordinated effort to outlaw and ban our way back into the stone age. Smoking is just part of the plan. Once they get the smokers, then it will be off to "save" the obese people, then to "save" the next bunch, and so on until all industry is destroyed, progress halted, and we all live in communes weaving baskets and waiting for "Comrade Sam" to send us the next check. Some of you may not have noticed, but they started this crap with guns. just in case you get pissed when they start cutting the rights that matter to you.

We (America) got too good. We have a high standard of living, good medical care, and (had) industries that led the world in quality, quantity, and innovation. One of our political parties can't handle success. They feel guilty. Thus the need to regulate, oppress, and destroy ourselves to put us on a level playing field with the "world economy". I've heard retired steel workers brag about the "wonderful union" that secured their "very nice" pensions, and in the same breath lament the fact that there isn't any more US steel production. Same with auto workers who laugh about leaving bolts in doors to annoy new owners, getting paid for 40 hours waiting around drinking coffee, stealing, finding ways to make jobs take longer, finding ways to let the experienced workers do as little as possible while the "newbies" do the work, and then wonder if the plant will be closing before their 20 something year old sons get to retire from there. In the end, some union leader will get a fax telling him to get in front of the drones and tell them that George Bush is the reason for the problem. It will work. Always does. Stupid is as stupid does.

I have a dream... That one day, every average American will be smart enough to understand that in order for a government to be "progressive" in nature, it must enact policies on the citizens that are "regressive" in nature. Every time someone mentions a "progressive" tax code, I get facinated that no one seems to understand that it will be "regressive" for them as a citizen, meaning that the harder they work, the more will be taken away from them. Talk about no incentive to be better... But the lemmings eat it up... "Hmmm... Progressive. It sounds like "progress". That must be a good thing. Count me in.".

Oh... I just realized that I made a mistake. The first two things the lefties did was to populate the educational institutions with enough left leaning "scholars" to sufficiently dumb down the population so that they would buy all of this liberal junk to begin with. The second thing was to preload the media with "friendlies" willing to mislead the masses for political favor. Tampering with the 2nd ammendment was actually the 3rd thing they went after.

 

[Hampton]

My wife read of a story where a professor passed out the results to an exam regarding socialism. To demonstrate the point, he averaged everyone's score and gave everyone the same grade. He said that he would be doing it all semester. It was up to the class to work together to get good grades. Everyone needed to do their best for the greater good of the entire group.

Once the better students learned that their efforts would not be rewarded, they quit trying as hard. The lesser students were happy with the system, and maintained their "just getting by" attitude, but put forth a little less effort as they knew that their grades would be supplemented by the hard-working individuals, so they would be able to get by with even less effort than normal.

End result - the class failed. But no problem, it'll be different in our society, right?

 

[fc3]

18 pages! Wow! So, uh, what was the point?

BTW, speaking of diesels, I just drove the new Audi Q7 TDI. Adequate power, but astonishing fuel economy for a two and a half ton luxury SUV.

 

[Jack F]

Oh... I just realized that I made a mistake. The first two things the lefties did was to populate the educational institutions with enough left leaning "scholars" to sufficiently dumb down the population so that they would buy all of this liberal junk to begin with. The second thing was to preload the media with "friendlies" willing to mislead the masses for political favor. Tampering with the 2nd ammendment was actually the 3rd thing they went after.

I drive my 14 yr old daughter to school every morning which is nice, it gives us a little time together.We usually go thru the drive up window of a DD (no Crispy creams around), One morning last year there was a car in front of us with every leftwing bumper sticker on the back, so naturally I made some wise ass comment. My daughter looked at me and laughingly said your such a liberal, the look on my face must of shocked he because she then said ooh no I mean the other thing. I asked her if she new the difference and she said yes, she learned in civics that conservatives want to go backwards and liberal want to go forwards.

A year later I think she is smart enough to know the real difference.

 

[avguy]

18 pages! Wow! So, uh, what was the point?

Sitting here smoking wondering the same thing :smt043

 

[chuck1]

Sitting here smoking wondering the same thing :smt043

Inside or Outside:thumbsup::grin:

 

[jitts3]

Anybody come up with a good reason why they should smoke? Didn't think so.

Cause I want to! End of discussion!

This is why I think it should have been frozen, you could see it coming. Someone else wishing someone else a disease. There is just no call for this.
Whether you like it or not, your action of smoking affects the people around you and those that are inconsiderate of their actions are what ruins it for the many that are considerate.
I wish this could have been a civil discussion, but it gets out of hand. From the one thing I have learned on forums, not everyone plays nicely.

So? Who died and made you minister of propaganda? Guess you would like to try to take my cigar?!:smt009

Ok, some direct hits and not undeserved. I'll take whatever insults come my way without further complaint or retaliation.
For the sake of reasonable discussion and because this is an important concern, does anyone else think that the issue of second hand smoke is a legitimate one? And if so, do you believe it infringes on the rights of non-smokers, children etc.?

To answer this one of many rants I do have curtosy to others, but outdoors and ocasional whif won't hurt so there they can just deal. Ever stand next to sombody with bad B.O.? Should we outlaw fat slobs?

Circumstances would dictate if it infringes on anyone else. As a example this Saturday while standing outside waiting in line at the movie theater I could smell the smoke of a couple of people sanding 30-40 feet from me. The wind was blowing in my direction and it did not smell good. If anyone else was affected by the smoke I could not tell. But being a prior smoker my extra sensitivity to smoke kicks in pretty good. We were in a public pavilion and they were with in their rights to smoke next to the butt kit placed there for smokers. Now had we been inside and I could not move around and get away from the smoke, I would say yes they were infringing on my right to choose to be smoke free. :grin:

Get over it. Life will contunie tomorrow. I also feel you should consider yourself lucky...THAT is worth bitchin about. How great your life must be if THAT is your beef...Get a real proplem.

Now here is the pic of the sign I saw and posted on the Orig post

My point is the outside part meanwhile there is plenty of exhaust as this picture can illistrate

Which is worse, the above truck, perfectly legal or some smoke from a cigar? Don't answer, if you cant figure it out, your lost.
Now I can't remember who mentioned about sombody taking his "Electric Cigerette" out of his mouth, well here I am. Sombody takes my cigar out of my mouth....Trunk of the Cadillac has plenty of room.

FYI I watched and lived with the man on the right. Grandpa died in 1995 about 120 lbs. Empthesema and some other things got him.

Point is my LIFE, My Cigar, MY CHOICE!

Oh need I mention I'm smokin and drinkin now!!

 

[Jack F]

I just received an invitation to a Cigar & Scotch Night at a local restaurant from my bank, they are supplying the cigars and scotch, I wonder if we’ll have to go out side with the cigars.