This summers gas prices....

I’ve been in Florida 7 weeks, the only things important that has arrived in the mail back home during this time is my property tax bill, my social security income statement for 2021 and 2 Power and Motoryacht magazines. Those are all available online. Everything else is useless junk mail. USPS will continue to loose money. They can’t compete in package delivery and they are running out of real mail to deliver.
 
Maybe The post office needs to rethink their business model. The last 5 miles is the most expensive part of the delivery process. Ups sure post is becoming more and more popular. Ups and the post office enter an agreement that ups hands off the parcel to the post office because the postman has to go to each residence anyway so carry a package too. Cheaper for the customer, cheaper for Ups, income for post office. Problem is, at least in my neck of the woods is the postman delivers mail and 2 hours later a different guy shows up in a mail truck and drops off the package. Double delivery run. Not too smart.
 
Pirate Lady said:
Blue you are wrong about the USPS and I have no dog in the fight. As bad as they maybe they are the gold standard in the world. No where else in this planet can you get a letter delivered 3000 miles for < 50 cents.
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Can't do it in the US either. Now it's like $0.53. :)
 
Blueone said:
You have to be joking???
Okay I am done with this thread
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No, I'm not joking. I buy lots of stuff online and the USPS is significantly cheaper for most packages. I'm not talking about letters.

Don't believe me? Remember, google is your friend. Google "comparative prices to ship a package" and then enter any specs you want.

I don't have any ulterior motives, so its no sense for me to joke.

After reading some of your previous comments......byeeeeee.
 
A fuel price thread arguing about the cost of mailing a letter...
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Jus Cruisin said:
I've noticed that seems to be pretty normal around here. Threads going off the rails....
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Its snowing and the boats are on the hard. Threads sway because there's nothing else to talk about.
 
I think the wintertime blues have set in. Always the most challenging part of the year for us dealing with these non boating months. We've come so far but still have a few weeks to go. Sure we may be in the water by late March or early April but that doesn't mean the weather is nice or it's boating season. Just means we prefer to be on our boats than not be on our boats. Which is my point, the fuel prices suck but I would happily be sitting in my slip right now in 85* sunny weather over sitting in my kitchen thinking about boating.
 
Pirate Lady said:
High,
Don’t worry about it. It’s a big country, as you say, where you live you must trailer cause slips expensive, up here on the Chesapeake they are relatively cheap. I would never trailer, you must, gas prices matter to you, don’t apologize, they don’t matter to my style boating. Different worlds, all good.
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Actually, I don't trailer. That is why I have to pay the going rate on the lake, can't shop on the road. My whole point was if gas gets to $10/gal that might get my attention. Anything less and it isn't really a thought at all. $5/gallon has typically been the point where there is a noticeable drop off in boating traffic on our lake. So I like to take advantage of the reduced traffic.
 
There are those of us that inflation doesn’t bother much, those of us that hate the high fuel prices but somehow will manage to carry on and those of us that may be on a tight budget with limited expendable income or fixed retirement income and those with retirement dreams of cruising that might have to be put aside. Regardless it always hurts those the most that Washington says they are trying to help.
This time around it is obvious to all but the very few that it doesn’t need to be this way.


I filled up my truck January 1st with diesel at $3.43/gal. Filled it up today at $3.99/ gal. 16% increase in 7 weeks.
Where I boat the diesel at the dock is usually 80 cents more than the street. It most likely will be $5 by launch time. I’ve only ever paid that in the Bahamas, and Lake Erie isn’t paradise.
 
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I do not care for this math at 5+ dollars per gallon

I've got 60 gallons worth of portable tanks and I can run 89 e10 with a little treatment for about $3.60 a gallon at the moment.
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Sure beats winter
 
scoflaw said:
Why 89? I do the same with 87 and skip the snake oil, all good :cool:
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Little bit lower combustion chamber temps , more importantly the ECM doesn't pull timing as much with 89 when it's sucking on 140° engine room air.

Using the 360 Marine at 1 oz per 20 gallons for regular use in 1 oz per 5 gallons for storage seem to do a lot of good for my outboards and pwc's over the years.

Notable difference in the rubber components in the carburetors after a 200 hour period
 
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Stray Current said:
Little bit lower combustion chamber temps , more importantly the ECM doesn't pull timing as much with 89 when it's sucking on 140° engine room air.

Using the 360 Marine at 1 oz per 20 gallons for regular use in 1 oz per 5 gallons for storage seem to do a lot of good for my outboards and pwc's over the years.

Notable difference in the rubber components in the carburetors after a 200 hour period
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Been in the game for a very long time and never noticed any of that
 
Interesting info. I'm no expert by any means, but I always thought (read) that higher octane burned hotter.
 
Interesting thread.


I figure if I run out of gas or things get tight, I’ll use my Boat US membership with the upgraded Sea Tow service to give us a boat ride. It all works out in the end.
 
GypsmJim said:
Interesting info. I'm no expert by any means, but I always thought (read) that higher octane burned hotter.
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me neither, but as a guy who is a dyno tuner explained it to me the higher octane is more resistant to knocking and keeps temps a little cooler under severe load due to the flame front moving more slowly through the mixture upon ignition.

also, the higher the intake air temperature the more likely you are to have detonation (knocking). Even if an ecm is tuned for 87 it will pull timing if the knock sensor sees detonation. That hot bilge air isn’t the greatest for maximum performance

how much difference does it make? Probably not much but I’ve always stuck with the next octane over minimum for marine stuff since it’s pulling sustained heavy load. Maybe a waste, maybe not
 
Stray Current said:
me neither, but as a guy who is a dyno tuner explained it to me the higher octane is more resistant to knocking and keeps temps a little cooler under severe load due to the flame front moving more slowly through the mixture upon ignition.

also, the higher the intake air temperature the more likely you are to have detonation (knocking). Even if an ecm is tuned for 87 it will pull timing if the knock sensor sees detonation. That hot bilge air isn’t the greatest for maximum performance

how much difference does it make? Probably not much but I’ve always stuck with the next octane over minimum for marine stuff since it’s pulling sustained heavy load. Maybe a waste, maybe not
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Surely, octane and knock are related. Proven by experience in cars AND boats.

But today, with ECMs the puter fixes a lot of things. (I'm an old fart and points and condensers were in my era.)

Regardless, my last boat had a Mercruiser I/O that called for 89 octane. I used that for 25 years religiously. It was a trailer boat, always fueled on the highway.

Then, about 10 years before we upgraded, I said the heck with that and started using 87 octane E10. Never saw any difference and the boat continued to run perfect.
 
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