The "virus" What are your thoughts

[Creekwood]

Stop with the political BS. Everyone is an expert in hindsight. And this is not about politics.

Sobering thought ---> There is a mad scramble to produce as many ventilators as they can. Virtually 100% of those that have died in North America to date had full access to ventilators. I expect most died on a ventilator. Ventilators are not a cure, they reduce the % that will die. The mad scramble to build up a lot of ventilators is to reduce, not eliminate, the number of deaths to come. I would love to know the percentage of those that are hospitalized then on ventilators and then recover vs those that die.

 

[SkiPharmer]

Stop with the political BS. Everyone is an expert in hindsight. And this is not about politics.

Sobering thought ---> There is a mad scramble to produce as many ventilators as they can. Virtually 100% of those that have died in North America to date had full access to ventilators. I expect most died on a ventilator. Ventilators are not a cure, they reduce the % that will die. The mad scramble to build up a lot of ventilators is to reduce, not eliminate, the number of deaths to come. I would love to know the percentage of those that are hospitalized then on ventilators and then recover vs those that die.

I believe I read somewhere that the death rate when you get on a vent with COVID-19 is 50%

 

[Craig]

I agree, positive thinking, optimism.
Had he not spoke that way I cannot imagine what the situation would be now.
It would make no toilet paper look like a cake walk.

Imagine a general telling his troops "we can't win this battle but go in there and fight anyway" mindset is key to leadership and problem solving. Resolve to prevail is essential to success. The msm is disgusting. Nobody is saying mislead or deceive. Stoking fear and panic for political advance is not leadership. Every question asked is aimed at discrediting the effort. Who in the hell would operate a million ventilators? We have a broken system that was woefully inadequate for a crisis of this size. From what I see the federal response is moving much quicker than in the past. "If you think you can't you won't". Be safe and healthy all.

 

[Blueone]

I believe I read somewhere that the death rate when you get on a vent with COVID-19 is 50%

Just speaking from my daughters experience as a nurse, She looks after 24 virus patients on ventilators. Everyone of those 24 is different based on their under lying conditions... be it healthy, obesity, diabetes, ashma...etc. Some come off ventilators in as little as 3 and 4 days ...some go a lot longer... very few die

 

[Woody]

This is from a CDC report I saw a couple days ago on data collect to 3/16.

Overall, 31% of cases, 45% of hospitalizations, 53% of ICU admissions, and 80% of deaths associated with COVID-19 were among adults aged ≥65 years with the highest percentage of severe outcomes among persons aged ≥85 years.

 

[Golfman25]

Just speaking from my daughters experience as a nurse, She looks after 24 virus patients on ventilators. Everyone of those 24 is different based on their under lying conditions... be it healthy, obesity, diabetes, ashma...etc. Some come off ventilators in as little as 3 and 4 days ...some go a lot longer... very few die

Are they using any hydrocloriquine/plaquinil treatments?

 

[Golfman25]

Italy apparently has had elevated deaths due to the ordinary flu the past few years. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1201971219303285

 

[Blueone]

Are they using any hydrocloriquine/plaquinil treatments?

Yes ...but not all the time... I didnt understand that

 

[El Capitan]

Respirators get oxygen into your lungs. If your lungs (alveoli) are unable to transfer the gasses the intubation is useless.

Most in that condition benefit from the delivery of high O2 saturated air pumped into lung.

Many deaths are due to underlying ailments exacerbated by respiratory distress.

Think of your mercruiser engine. If the engine is good but the carb is clogged then simply bypass the clog until the clog can be cleared (infection) later. Engine runs fine again.
BUT, if the engine has problems, low compression, burns oil, valve worn, etc, bypassing the clogged carb wont improve how the engine runs and in fact while it was fuel starved it could have further damage the engine so that it seizes.

This the critical nature of oxygen and ventilators.

 

[Great lakes pirate]

Had he done it a few weeks ago, the haters would have accused him of tyranny - not unlike the reaction to shutting down flights from China.
He gave GM a chance to step up on their own and they failed.

Talked to one my GM friends this morning. He and his team have been working on these ventilators for a few weeks now. Nothing that the President did yesterday changed what they are doing. The team is going as fast a possible to get these out to the public. I am a big fan of our President but this time his Twitter BS was way out of line.

 

[Great lakes pirate]

I thought that plant in Ohio where trump said GM should have been building ventilators GM didn't even own anymore.....

True statement. The Lordstown assembly plant was sold last year.

 

[Great lakes pirate]

Funny how they worked it that the retired GM workers lost their pensions and benefits. The workers called it a bail out for GM and a knife in the back of the retirees

EVERYONE at GM took a haircut. The retieries didn't lose their pensions or benefits. They were reduced but still amazing.

 

[Great lakes pirate]

He finally had a good reason to do it.
GM acted foolishly and needed to be slapped.
Giving the federal government that kind of power and encouraging them to use it is treading in dangerous waters.
Really scary that some of the politicians in DC are making noises about trading taxpayer money for shares of US companies.
We don’t need government owned companies or industries.
Fortunately he’s ignoring the idiot socialist NYC Mayor’s call to deploy the military in NYC.
God help us all if DeBlasio ever gets control of active armed military.
That’s how socialism turned a dangerous corner in the last century.
When we have the US Military rolling around the streets of NYC it’s time to head for the hills.
Not a huge fan of Cuomo, but thank God he’s keeping DeBlasio in check.

Here's the thing. GM is working very hard to get ventilators to market. Not sure why anyone is knocking them. They pulled all sorts of resources off of their day to day engineering jobs to make this happen.

Please elaborate why you think GM acted foolishly and needs to be slapped.

 

[SkiPharmer]

Yes ...but not all the time... I didnt understand that

At my hospital (I am a pharmacist) we are using it on people who are very ill. There is short supply of it.

 

[Great lakes pirate]

Oddly enough, I think Ford was the only one who refused to take the money back then.
The US taxpayers actually made money from the funds provided to the banks, The banks paid back all the money with interest, but you will never hear that from the progressives.

During the last meltdown, Ford pulled a line of credit to get them over the hump. It worked and they had enough cash to get them through it. Last week GM pulled a 16 billion dollar line of credit foreseeing some upcoming hard times. Good planning in my opinion.

 

[Great lakes pirate]

They did? It was my understanding we the taxpayers lost about $10 billion through Government selling GM stocks at a significant loss during that time?

The government chose when to sell the stock. Could have held it longer and sold if for a better return.

 

[OllieC]

The government chose when to sell the stock. Could have held it longer and sold if for a better return.

but they didn’t.....hence no payback plus interest.

We got a lot of cool GM Super Bowl ads that year tho.

 

[Craig]

Talked to one my GM friends this morning. He and his team have been working on these ventilators for a few weeks now. Nothing that the President did yesterday changed what they are doing. The team is going as fast a possible to get these out to the public. I am a big fan of our President but this time his Twitter BS was way out of line.

Here's the thing. GM is working very hard to get ventilators to market. Not sure why anyone is knocking them. They pulled all sorts of resources off of their day to day engineering jobs to make this happen.

Please elaborate why you think GM acted foolishly and needs to be slapped.

I think they jacked the price up.

 

[Iprof]

EVERYONE at GM took a haircut. The retieries didn't lose their pensions or benefits. They were reduced but still amazing.

Well I have a very good friend in Mi that lost his pension and benefits I checked with him before posting. He had 2 pensions with GM as an hourly worker and as a manager salary position. His management pension was not touched but his hourly pension was reduced to zero. He's 81 and very bitter about it.

 

[Golfman25]

Here's the thing. GM is working very hard to get ventilators to market. Not sure why anyone is knocking them. They pulled all sorts of resources off of their day to day engineering jobs to make this happen.

Please elaborate why you think GM acted foolishly and needs to be slapped.

It was GM leadership. Not the rank and file.