The "virus" What are your thoughts

Here's the thing. GM is working very hard to get ventilators to market. Not sure why anyone is knocking them. They pulled all sorts of resources off of their day to day engineering jobs to make this happen.

Please elaborate why you think GM acted foolishly and needs to be slapped.
Because of what Trump tweeted???
 
Chit is real. Admiral just got a message that a baseball friend’s husband is on a ventilator fighting. He’s five years removed from leukemia. She can’t see him. I suppose the good” thing is he’s in early and got a vent. Can’t imagine how he caught it.
 
I hope he recovers quickly, safely and soundly Golfman.
 
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All,
I have just returned from two different hospital ED departments and ICU’s.
Based on these two hospitals my observation is that they are empty in the ED. They have beds lined up and down the hall in anticipation of a huge influx ( think earthquake or natural disaster).
To enter the hospital every person is examined and screened. One hospital is ridiculously lax in that they posted the sign saying to check in w the nurses station in the lobby was taped to the UNLOCKED door in the parking basement so when you open the door nobody else can see the sign! A doctor held the door open for my wife and she took the elevator to ICU floor. No badge. No screening. She had already been screened at the first hospital as well as for work but obviously some hospitals are foreign to security lockdown.

The ICU’s are occupied only by tjlhose who’ve already been there or other emergencies. Otherwise I saw over 50% rooms empty.

The first hospital all the staff wore plastic face shields plus masks and gloves but they wore their scrubs. They had to hit the hand sanitizer on every entry and exit of each room.

The second hospital, a major catholic health system primary site, it was ridiculous. Upon my arrival I noticed a team of two doctors and two nurses attending to the patient in the ICU room, nobody had masks on. All had gloves. The ambulance team that transported the patient did not wear masks all the time but had gloves. All were in the ICU room at the same time. It was organized chaos.
Upon further discovery silence descended on the room and they all scurried to done masks. They failed their own protocols. The one doctor left the room to clarify their protocol and determined patient w temperature but no fever and no respiratory distress meant no precautions.

Patient was tested on day 2 for covid via nasal swab. DAY 2!!!
From time of test all clinical staff wore masks and gloves. 1day later results were negative.

Nobody in ICU was on a respirator.

All equipment brought into room ie portable X-ray etc was covered in plastic and techs wore gloves and masks.

It was incredibly inconsistent.

They were lucky.

The first hospital is a small community hospital. They were locked down, police SUV’s in the ED entry w officers in the lobby and inside the patient area. All the staff followed their tight protocols.

The second hospital had one police officer in the lobby, a rather large lobby. It was cordoned off funneling visitors to a long set of tables to be examined. You can easily bypass this by entering through basement elevators and going straight to the units.

My recommendation if you have a medical procedure you’ve been putting off ie heart cath or major life system get it now. Hospitals in many places are empty.
 
@Creekwood - I'm going to ask a common sense question - Why didn't she just stay put for another month? That would have been my guidance....I believe the outcomes will be far different a few months from now.

@Great lakes pirate - You don't know what's going on back channels and I think he comments were reference to the profiteering / pricing GM was trying to charge for them.

@El Capitan - Not surprised at all...I've always said it's the hospital administrators that will direct the front lines and it appears you are looking at two different systems...I believe you are outside Chicago? If so, I think you will start seeing those beds fill up..
 
All,
I have just returned from two different hospital ED departments and ICU’s.
Based on these two hospitals my observation is that they are empty in the ED. They have beds lined up and down the hall in anticipation of a huge influx ( think earthquake or natural disaster).
To enter the hospital every person is examined and screened. One hospital is ridiculously lax in that they posted the sign saying to check in w the nurses station in the lobby was taped to the UNLOCKED door in the parking basement so when you open the door nobody else can see the sign! A doctor held the door open for my wife and she took the elevator to ICU floor. No badge. No screening. She had already been screened at the first hospital as well as for work but obviously some hospitals are foreign to security lockdown.

The ICU’s are occupied only by tjlhose who’ve already been there or other emergencies. Otherwise I saw over 50% rooms empty.

The first hospital all the staff wore plastic face shields plus masks and gloves but they wore their scrubs. They had to hit the hand sanitizer on every entry and exit of each room.

The second hospital, a major catholic health system primary site, it was ridiculous. Upon my arrival I noticed a team of two doctors and two nurses attending to the patient in the ICU room, nobody had masks on. All had gloves. The ambulance team that transported the patient did not wear masks all the time but had gloves. All were in the ICU room at the same time. It was organized chaos.
Upon further discovery silence descended on the room and they all scurried to done masks. They failed their own protocols. The one doctor left the room to clarify their protocol and determined patient w temperature but no fever and no respiratory distress meant no precautions.

Patient was tested on day 2 for covid via nasal swab. DAY 2!!!
From time of test all clinical staff wore masks and gloves. 1day later results were negative.

Nobody in ICU was on a respirator.

All equipment brought into room ie portable X-ray etc was covered in plastic and techs wore gloves and masks.

It was incredibly inconsistent.

They were lucky.

The first hospital is a small community hospital. They were locked down, police SUV’s in the ED entry w officers in the lobby and inside the patient area. All the staff followed their tight protocols.

The second hospital had one police officer in the lobby, a rather large lobby. It was cordoned off funneling visitors to a long set of tables to be examined. You can easily bypass this by entering through basement elevators and going straight to the units.

My recommendation if you have a medical procedure you’ve been putting off ie heart cath or major life system get it now. Hospitals in many places are empty.

Was that up here in the Chicago Burbs?
 
If those beds aren’t full by end of next week I struggle to understand how they would a week later given the timelines.
 
@Creekwood - I'm going to ask a common sense question - Why didn't she just stay put for another month? That would have been my guidance....I believe the outcomes will be far different a few months from now..
Simple - If, God forbid, she gets it, she won't be home and wont be able to travel home. And she won't be near her kids (her home is 20 minutes from me and 5 minutes from my sister's place). She is feeling very understandably vulnerable in a rented condo 3000 miles from us (especially having lost her husband of 55 years last February)
 
All,
I have just returned from two different hospital ED departments and ICU’s.
Based on these two hospitals my observation is that they are empty in the ED. They have beds lined up and down the hall in anticipation of a huge influx ( think earthquake or natural disaster).
To enter the hospital every person is examined and screened. One hospital is ridiculously lax in that they posted the sign saying to check in w the nurses station in the lobby was taped to the UNLOCKED door in the parking basement so when you open the door nobody else can see the sign! A doctor held the door open for my wife and she took the elevator to ICU floor. No badge. No screening. She had already been screened at the first hospital as well as for work but obviously some hospitals are foreign to security lockdown.

The ICU’s are occupied only by tjlhose who’ve already been there or other emergencies. Otherwise I saw over 50% rooms empty.

The first hospital all the staff wore plastic face shields plus masks and gloves but they wore their scrubs. They had to hit the hand sanitizer on every entry and exit of each room.

The second hospital, a major catholic health system primary site, it was ridiculous. Upon my arrival I noticed a team of two doctors and two nurses attending to the patient in the ICU room, nobody had masks on. All had gloves. The ambulance team that transported the patient did not wear masks all the time but had gloves. All were in the ICU room at the same time. It was organized chaos.
Upon further discovery silence descended on the room and they all scurried to done masks. They failed their own protocols. The one doctor left the room to clarify their protocol and determined patient w temperature but no fever and no respiratory distress meant no precautions.

Patient was tested on day 2 for covid via nasal swab. DAY 2!!!
From time of test all clinical staff wore masks and gloves. 1day later results were negative.

Nobody in ICU was on a respirator.

All equipment brought into room ie portable X-ray etc was covered in plastic and techs wore gloves and masks.

It was incredibly inconsistent.

They were lucky.

The first hospital is a small community hospital. They were locked down, police SUV’s in the ED entry w officers in the lobby and inside the patient area. All the staff followed their tight protocols.

The second hospital had one police officer in the lobby, a rather large lobby. It was cordoned off funneling visitors to a long set of tables to be examined. You can easily bypass this by entering through basement elevators and going straight to the units.

My recommendation if you have a medical procedure you’ve been putting off ie heart cath or major life system get it now. Hospitals in many places are empty.

I find that hard to believe.
https://nationalpost.com/news/world...100000-as-doctors-cope-with-medical-shortages
 
Funny how they worked it that the retired GM workers lost their pensions and benefits. The workers called it a bail out for GM and a knife in the back of the retirees
That is my understanding from a friend of mine who’s GM pension was slashed in the deal. But GM did pay back loans with interest. It seems it was complex, but my friend definitely got screwed in the deal.
 

"Dr. Alexander Salerno of Salerno Medical Associates in northern New Jersey described going through a “broker” to pay $17,000 for masks and other protective equipment that should have cost about $2,500, and picking them up at an abandoned warehouse.

“You don’t get any names. You get just phone numbers to text,” Salerno said. “And so you agree to a term. You wire the money to a bank account. They give you a time and an address to come to.”

Nurses at Mount Sinai Hospital in New York said they were locking away or hiding N-95 respirator masks, surgical masks and other supplies that are prone to pilfering if left unattended."

This is why there are no masks...F'ing 'merica...NY & NJ's finest...Profiteering - The Feds should have a bullet for these guys...Likely organized crime and stolen from hospitals to begin with.
 
"Dr. Alexander Salerno of Salerno Medical Associates in northern New Jersey described going through a “broker” to pay $17,000 for masks and other protective equipment that should have cost about $2,500, and picking them up at an abandoned warehouse.

“You don’t get any names. You get just phone numbers to text,” Salerno said. “And so you agree to a term. You wire the money to a bank account. They give you a time and an address to come to.”

Nurses at Mount Sinai Hospital in New York said they were locking away or hiding N-95 respirator masks, surgical masks and other supplies that are prone to pilfering if left unattended."

This is why there are no masks...F'ing 'merica...NY & NJ's finest...Profiteering - The Feds should have a bullet for these guys...Likely organized crime and stolen from hospitals to begin with.
Why didn’t he call the authority’s?
 
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That is my understanding from a friend of mine who’s GM pension was slashed in the deal. But GM did pay back loans with interest. It seems it was complex, but my friend definitely got screwed in the deal.
Pensions are usually taken over by the pension guarantee corp. But at a significantly reduced rate.
 
"Dr. Alexander Salerno of Salerno Medical Associates in northern New Jersey described going through a “broker” to pay $17,000 for masks and other protective equipment that should have cost about $2,500, and picking them up at an abandoned warehouse.

“You don’t get any names. You get just phone numbers to text,” Salerno said. “And so you agree to a term. You wire the money to a bank account. They give you a time and an address to come to.”

Nurses at Mount Sinai Hospital in New York said they were locking away or hiding N-95 respirator masks, surgical masks and other supplies that are prone to pilfering if left unattended."

This is why there are no masks...F'ing 'merica...NY & NJ's finest...Profiteering - The Feds should have a bullet for these guys...Likely organized crime and stolen from hospitals to begin with.
Only buy from the legit distributors. Cardinal Health, McKesson, etc. Most of the other stuff is counterfeit and whatnot.
 
Only buy from the legit distributors. Cardinal Health, McKesson, etc. Most of the other stuff is counterfeit and whatnot.
Same question, why wouldn’t a man in that position call the authorities. I don’t
Get it!
 
None. But I also don't think that all the media reports are "fake news". That article was written by a Reuters reporter. And the National Post is a right wing Canadian newspaper, not a liberal or socialist paper. I get your point that the hospitals you visited seem inconsistent and disorganized if that is true. But I find it hard to believe that the Emergency departments would be empty as you are saying. And sorry, I don't believe you that you toured around hospital ERs to make these observations. What is your profession that these two hospitals will allow you to tour through to make observations? And what hospitals specifically did you visit? Make a believer out of me.

You’re an ignorant to assume my reason and my wife’s reason for being on two hospitals in one day had anything to do with my profession.

You sir can go $*uk yourself for that insensitivity and stupidity.

My 17 year old diabetic son had acute diabetic keto acidosis. A life threatening condition.

But I could give two shits what you believe asshat.
 

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