The Official 450 Express Bridge Owners Club

Next is a 2004, 450EB the "Friendship" also in Florida. HIN#SERP5968G304. This boat appears to be in much better condition and is priced accordingly at $240,000.
https://www.yachtworld.com/yacht/2004-sea-ray-450-express-bridge-8708731/
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Lots of craftsmanship in the cockpit cover.
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Obviously I like the latter two from a price perspective and they appear well taken care of, mine being a 3sr, 2002. Didn't catch the hours on these listings.
 
Shoyrtt said:
The parts guy said it was something to do about the nationwide dealership agreements that are in place.:rolleyes:
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Yep, CAT dealers are really hemmed in by geographic location. Of course, on a sale as big as two aftercoolers they wouldn't want to have to fork over the sale to another dealer.
 
Forrestkk said:
Yep, CAT dealers are really hemmed in by geographic location. Of course, on a sale as big as two aftercoolers they wouldn't want to have to fork over the sale to another dealer.
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I held out another week hoping that they would show up here. No luck. I called the MA dealer today. Because the sale was over $500, I had to create an account. I used my friend's address as my physical location for purposes of the sale and my CA address for billing. My fraud protection on my Mastercard didn't like it at first, but it went through and my friend will pick them up this Saturday. Next is the shipping costs and I am leaning on getting insurance in case of damage in transit. :eek: We haven't missed any boating yet with all of the bad weather here. Hopefully there are no issues and we might be back in order by May.
 
New Stratoglass bridge surround looks finished, dockmaster snapped pics for me. Arriving Friday to see it and take part in weekend Club activities, new leadership and Fleet Review on Sunday. Big to-do with USCG fire boat shooting it's water canon. I'll have signal flags strung up.
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Jack O'Brien said:
New Stratoglass bridge surround looks finished, dockmaster snapped pics for me. Arriving Friday to see it and take part in weekend Club activities, new leadership and Fleet Review on Sunday. Big to-do with USCG fire boat shooting it's water canon. I'll have signal flags strung up.View attachment 141759 View attachment 141760
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Looks great! Glad to hear post hurricane you are doing well!
 
Been away for a while. Prepping boat for our Fort Lauderdale to Gulf Shores trip... We are in Key West now and planning on stopping in Clearwater/Tampa for a few weeks and returning to complete the trip to Gulf Shores last part of April.
Couple of items... Does anyone have a list of "consumers" of 12v after the solenoids are off? I had the boat in the yard for cutlass bearings and bottom job and less than 24 hours out the batteries were low. I had EVERYTHING that I could turn off, turned off. I know the bilges stay hot, but is there anything else? Starting to think I have a parasitic draw somewhere.. No way brand new D8's should deplete that quickly...
On a positive note, my "new to me" 450 has performed flawlessly since departure. She gets second looks at every marina we pull into!
 
Perhaps only way is to disconnect the positive battery terminals? On the hard two yrs ago for 8 days, no shore power, everything switched off, didn't experience a problem.
 
You say "batteries" as in both were low? That would be odd. You would have to have both batteries tied together, or unsuspected loads pulling on both batts. Also odd. Batt charger fault? Also, define "low"

Look at the breaker panel in the compartment under the main electrical panel in the salon (at least that's where it is on a 1999). It will show the ones that are on all the time (bilge pumps for example). You can use a toothpick to turn these off and see if that affects anything. This group of circuits are connected to the batt switch on the hot side, so turn the batt switch off does not affect them.

But of course, a PO may have added something that may make this search more difficult.

Just my thoughts. Good luck and let us know what you find.

Larry
 
LMBoat said:
You say "batteries" as in both were low? That would be odd. You would have to have both batteries tied together, or unsuspected loads pulling on both batts. Also odd. Batt charger fault? Also, define "low"

Look at the breaker panel in the compartment under the main electrical panel in the salon (at least that's where it is on a 1999). It will show the ones that are on all the time (bilge pumps for example). You can use a toothpick to turn these off and see if that affects anything. This group of circuits are connected to the batt switch on the hot side, so turn the batt switch off does not affect them.

But of course, a PO may have added something that may make this search more difficult.

Just my thoughts. Good luck and let us know what you find.

Larry
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So after further review, my post should have been more clear. I think I'm chasing two different problems.

In the yard, the portside battery was low, as in wouldn't turn the port engine to start and volt meter showed less than 10v. Emergency wouldn't transfer enough juice either, so I started the genny, let it run for a while with the converter switches on and got port side started.

Yesterday, after running all day, stopped for fuel, turned both engines off and after fueling, starboard wouldn't start. When I checked the starboard voltage at the panel, needle went completely to zero, port was fully charged. Flipped the starboard solenoid off, counted to 10, then back on, checked voltage and had 12+ volts and engine fired right up.

I'm pretty handy with tools, but electricity and I don't get along well.. Thanks for the suggestions on the breakers! I'll try that next time we are not on the move. Crossing from Key West to Marcos Island on Thursday early morn based on forecast this morn.
 
Factory Bay is a good anchorage in Marco if interested. Perhaps familiar. Couple marinas right there too. Great weather for your crossing. We're on Captiva now.
 
Jack O'Brien said:
Factory Bay is a good anchorage in Marco if interested. Perhaps familiar. Couple marinas right there too. Great weather for your crossing. We're on Captiva now.
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Thanks for the info! We're probably gonna stay on the hook, so we'll check it out. Someone also suggested Smokehouse Bay and Rose's for fuel. Might catch up to you as we make our way up the west coast of Fla!
 
Yes, Roses for fuel. Factory Bay anchorage right in front.
 
MarginCall said:
So after further review, my post should have been more clear. I think I'm chasing two different problems.

In the yard, the portside battery was low, as in wouldn't turn the port engine to start and volt meter showed less than 10v. Emergency wouldn't transfer enough juice either, so I started the genny, let it run for a while with the converter switches on and got port side started.

Yesterday, after running all day, stopped for fuel, turned both engines off and after fueling, starboard wouldn't start. When I checked the starboard voltage at the panel, needle went completely to zero, port was fully charged. Flipped the starboard solenoid off, counted to 10, then back on, checked voltage and had 12+ volts and engine fired right up.

I'm pretty handy with tools, but electricity and I don't get along well.. Thanks for the suggestions on the breakers! I'll try that next time we are not on the move. Crossing from Key West to Marcos Island on Thursday early morn based on forecast this morn.
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Have you checked all grounds (engines, battery terminals, ground bus on ER bulkheads)? Often, crazy stuff like this comes from dirty grounds.

Also, make sure to check the water (if they aren't AGMs). Even new batteries can cook off a lot of water under heavy charge/discharge. A battery with low water will take a top charge and immediately die when a load is applied.

The next step would be to turn off the battery switches under the steps and see if you have amps flowing even with the battery disconnects off. If there is not a draw, then open all the DC circuit breakers and then turn the batteries back on at the disconnects under the steps. Check for amps flowing. If there are amps flowing, its probably in the start system as there are cables going directly to the starter and then it hops to the grid heaters. If there is no drain, then it is likely on one if those CBs that are in the cabinet under the power distribution panel that should all be open. Turn them on one at a time until you see the draw, and that should be your culprit (if it is only one circuit causing the deain).

Also, there are busses under the helm for port and starboard. Not sure if they have separate CBs below, or they are just busses and the helm equipment is fused. There are also CBs on the helm in the tilt out panel by your left foot if you are sitting at the helm.
 
Forrestkk said:
Have you checked all grounds (engines, battery terminals, ground bus on ER bulkheads)? Often, crazy stuff like this comes from dirty grounds.

Also, make sure to check the water (if they aren't AGMs). Even new batteries can cook off a lot of water under heavy charge/discharge. A battery with low water will take a top charge and immediately die when a load is applied.

The next step would be to turn off the battery switches under the steps and see if you have amps flowing even with the battery disconnects off. If there is not a draw, then open all the DC circuit breakers and then turn the batteries back on at the disconnects under the steps. Check for amps flowing. If there are amps flowing, its probably in the start system as there are cables going directly to the starter and then it hops to the grid heaters. If there is no drain, then it is likely on one if those CBs that are in the cabinet under the power distribution panel that should all be open. Turn them on one at a time until you see the draw, and that should be your culprit (if it is only one circuit causing the deain).

Also, there are busses under the helm for port and starboard. Not sure if they have separate CBs below, or they are just busses and the helm equipment is fused. There are also CBs on the helm in the tilt out panel by your left foot if you are sitting at the helm.
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Just crossed from key west to Marco island with no issues. Once I get to Clearwater I will do the troubleshooting listed I gave all the busses a once over and seemed fine to this layman. I will check water tonight to verify levels but batteries are less than 6 months old. REALLY appreciate all the input. Will stop over in Captiva mon-tues. hoping to see Jack when I pass thru if he’s still there!

Is there a way to private message on this forum? I want to send Jack my phone but don’t want spammers calling.
 
Jack here. We're back in home port, St. Charles Yacht Club. Departing by car tomorrow. Captiva has Tween Waters Resort, we frequent often. Really nice old FL type place with a great restaurant. Tween should have space from weekend departures on a Sunday. Slow in from the ICW, gets shallow but pole-marked pretty well. If enter at Redfish Pass, north end of Captiva, also well pole marked once inside the inlet. Several spots, don't deviate from between markers. Anchorage just off Tween, also Pelican Bay (very popular), at Cayo Costa State Park, just past Cabbage Key. Entering Pelican Bay requires close to the entrance sign, then hug to Stbd along shoreline, heading for State Park dock. Feel free to call me.
PP0-335-0321. 1st two are letters representing a #, then numbers.
 
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