The Official 450 Express Bridge Owners Club

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  1. Shoyrtt

    Shoyrtt Alamitos to Avalon SILVER Sponsor

    Jul 16, 2020
    Redlands, CA
    1999 450 Express Bridge, 9’ Achilles dinghy w/15hp Suzuki EFI
    Caterpillar 3126TA
    After swapping a few messages back and forth with Keithmo, we noticed that there is not an official 450 EB thread. From my research Sea Ray produced the 450 EB from 1998 to 2004 in both a two stateroom and three stateroom model. It replaced the 440 EB from 1997/8 and was 9" wider and 1'6" longer than its predecessor. Sea Ray used the hull from the 450 DA along with some elements and features from the DB line to build the 450 EB. Here is an article originally published in Yachting Magazine reviewing the new model back in 1998:
    https://dicksimonyachts.com/blog/bo...-ray-450-express-bridge-review-positive-force
    A PDF of the 2003 model is attached below.
    Here is a nice video shot in the Delta where I found my boat:
    Here is a "virtual tour" of the 3 stateroom model:
    https://my.matterport.com/show/?m=qzoUVUo3BGc
    Here is the oldest boat known to exist, #2 built in January of 1998:
    SeaRay4501998502a.jpeg
    A nice sketch by the Custom Captain:
    SeaRay450CaptainPhoto3.jpg
    A factory sketch of the boat with specs:
    SeaRay450sideshot.jpg
    The 450EB was also used at Disney World for guests. VIP cruises were available on "... the Grand 1, a 45-foot Sea Ray 450 Express Bridge Yacht, offering private dining, butler service, and a captain. Cruises start at $399 per hour, plus tax (seats 18 guests — or 17 if traveling with a butler)."
    SeaRay450EBDisney.jpg
    SeaRay450ebDisney3.jpg

    Finally, here is a registry of known 450EB boats, based on the HIN# and Sea Ray internal #. I will update the list for every boat that we come across.

    1998
    SERP3927L798 450EB-501 https://www.boats-boats-boats.com/188779/express-cruiser/sea-ray-450-eb-501.html
    https://www.yachtingjournal.com/directory/boat/1998-wayfarer
    SERP3955A898 450EB-502
    SERP4036B898 450EB-503
    SERP4043C898 450EB-504
    SERP4050C898
    SERP4083D898

    1999
    SERP4119F899
    SERP4126F899
    SERP4146F899
    SERP4154G899 450EB-506
    SERP4176H899
    SERP4183H899
    SERP419OH899
    SERP4196H899
    SERP4218I899
    SERP4239J899
    SERP4254J899
    SERP4278K899
    SERP4290K899
    SERP4302L899 450EB-530
    SERP4306L899
    SERP4310L899
    SERP4334A999
    SERP4360B999
    SERP4369B999
    SERP4372B999
    SERP4390C999 450EB-545
    SERP4396C999 450EB-546
    SERP4441D999
    SERP4450D999 450EB-553
    SERP4477E999
    SERP4495E999

    2000
    SERP4504E900
    SERP4531F900
    SERP4548G900 450EB-508
    SERP4558G900
    SERP4567G900
    SERP4585H900
    SERP4588H900
    SERP4594H900 450EB-516
    SERP4606H900
    SERP4621I900
    SERP4624I900
    SERP4675J900
    SERP4684K900
    SERP4711K900
    SERP4729L900
    SERP4732L900
    SERP4756A000
    SERP4783A000
    SERP4792A000
    SERP4873D000
    SERP4927E000

    2001
    SERP4828B001
    SERP4900D001
    SERP4918E001 (Scuba Chuck here on CSR)
    SERP4972F001 450EB-510
    SERP5017G001
    SERP5053H001
    SERP5107J001
    SERF5165K001
    SERP5179L001
    SERP5269C101
    SERP5314D101

    2002
    SERP5338E102
    SERP5346E102
    SERP5353E102
    SERP5417H102
    SERP5433I102
    SERP5439I102 450EB-510
    SERP5484J102 450EB-511
    SERP5477K102 450EB-512
    SERP5551C202
    SERP5576D202
    SERP5589D202

    2003
    SERP5607E203
    SERP5632F203
    SERP5684H203
    SERP5690H203 ("Southern Lady" Destroyed in a fire, 2021)
    SERP5696I203
    SERP5705I203 450EB-519
    SERP5710I203
    SERP5733J203
    SERP5740J203
    SERP5775K203
    SERP5796L203
    SERP5809A303 450EB-536
    SERP5868C303
    SERP5927E303

    2004
    SERP5875C304 450EB-502
    SERP5931E304
    SERP6063K304
    SERP6111A404
    SERP6108A404
    SERP6124A404
    SERP6169C404
    SERP6213E404

    This is the place to ask questions and share ideas with other 450 EB owners!
     

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    Last edited: Jul 30, 2022
  2. LMBoat

    LMBoat Active Member

    626
    Oct 4, 2006
    Ft Lauderdale
    1999 450 EB
    Cummins 6CTA's
    Looking forward to this thread. We've has ours for 10 years w Cummins 6CTA's and could not be happier. We've put 1,500 hours on it and have gone from Jacksonville, FL to Key Largo, to Bimini and all points in between. just an awesome boat for our family. Does anyone know how many 44's & 45's were made?
     
  3. Shoyrtt

    Shoyrtt Alamitos to Avalon SILVER Sponsor

    Jul 16, 2020
    Redlands, CA
    1999 450 Express Bridge, 9’ Achilles dinghy w/15hp Suzuki EFI
    Caterpillar 3126TA
    I noticed on my boat a number just below the VIN on the starboard side rear transom that might be the production number? I have read and it seems to be the case that a lot of 3 stateroom models were made in the early production and more 2 stateroom models late in production. It seems like every 2003 and 2004 is a 2.

    I have seen a total of six other 450s here in California over the past five months. One of the owners from Huntington Beach has owned his 2000, 3 stateroom model since 2002. He claims it is the only factory hardtop model that Sea Ray ever produced. He said that after it was built, it was sent to Europe on the boat show circuit for two years. He had over 5000 hours on the boat and was very excited to meet another 450 EB owner. I only have one, very poor, picture of his boat to share. Next time I see him, I'll get a better shot.
    SeaRayHardTop.jpg
     
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  4. Shoyrtt

    Shoyrtt Alamitos to Avalon SILVER Sponsor

    Jul 16, 2020
    Redlands, CA
    1999 450 Express Bridge, 9’ Achilles dinghy w/15hp Suzuki EFI
    Caterpillar 3126TA
    I'm looking to replace the carpet in the cockpit, flybridge stairs and flybridge on my boat. It seems like none of the aftermarket suppliers have the deck/stair patterns for the 450 EB with the exception of SeaDek. I communicated with Kelly Key on Facebook (Oasis below) and found out that they used SeaDek on her 450, but did not include the flybridge. I reached out to SeaDek and purchased the patterns for Kelly's boat, but I can't seem to find a pattern for the flybridge anywhere. I contacted several boat flooring installers here in SoCal and most of them are out of business or don't want to let me pay them to give me a laser measurement of just the flybridge. Does anyone here by chance have their flybridge flooring patterns or know where I can locate them?
    SeaRayOasis.jpg
     
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  5. Shoyrtt

    Shoyrtt Alamitos to Avalon SILVER Sponsor

    Jul 16, 2020
    Redlands, CA
    1999 450 Express Bridge, 9’ Achilles dinghy w/15hp Suzuki EFI
    Caterpillar 3126TA
    Larry,
    I haven't made it to my boat, but I found this picture on YachtWorld of the possible production number on a 2000 450 EB. It looks like it reads "450EB-50B" or "508". Does your boat have this, and if so what number?
    SeaRayEB#.jpg
     
  6. keithmo

    keithmo Member

    25
    Aug 3, 2020
    St. Louis, MO
    2002 450 Express Bridge
    "Brew-Ski Business"
    Twin Cat 3126's
    Larry -- I am currently away from my boat but will check next week and let you know what number is showing on our 2002 450 EB. We have a 2 stateroom model.

    Jim -- I do not have plans for the flybridge. I will reach out to the former owner of this boat to see if he has any ideas. Probably not, since the carpet doesn't look very new.

    Keith
     
  7. LMBoat

    LMBoat Active Member

    626
    Oct 4, 2006
    Ft Lauderdale
    1999 450 EB
    Cummins 6CTA's
    My HIN is SERP4450D999 450EB-553

    From what I know about this, P is for Palm coast where the boat was built.

    It was finished in Sept 99, and I believe the 53rd built. Can anyone decifer any more? But this does not tell me how much total were built. That's what I'm curious about.
     
  8. LakerLife

    LakerLife New Member

    9
    Aug 19, 2019
    Spring Lake, MI
    2008 Monterey 250CR
    Volvo 5.7L stern drive
    I'm considering taking a look at this particular boat you referenced. We really are trying to find a 40ish sedan bridge, but those are tough to find and good ones seem to sell immediately. I do know my tween kids would like the 3rd stateroom in this boat so they could each have their own "room".

    Anything particular to look for on an initial viewing? Are these boats V-drives or straight/direct drives?
     
  9. TNT8808

    TNT8808 Well-Known Member PLATINUM Sponsor

    838
    May 25, 2016
    West Michigan
    2008 48 Sundancer
    Cummins QSC 8.3's
    Avon Seasport 340
    40 HP Yamaha
    Have you looked at the 450EB in GH? This boat has been within spitting distance of us at Grand Isle Marina for about 4 years. https://www.jbys.com/boat/2000/sea-ray/450-express-bridge/17045/

    -Tom
     
    Last edited: Jan 12, 2021
  10. LakerLife

    LakerLife New Member

    9
    Aug 19, 2019
    Spring Lake, MI
    2008 Monterey 250CR
    Volvo 5.7L stern drive
    Yes, that's the one. I think the hull numbers posted above are from that boat. Has it been for sale for 4 years or just berthed there for 4 years??
     
  11. TNT8808

    TNT8808 Well-Known Member PLATINUM Sponsor

    838
    May 25, 2016
    West Michigan
    2008 48 Sundancer
    Cummins QSC 8.3's
    Avon Seasport 340
    40 HP Yamaha
    Just berthed. I think they just put it up for sale at the end of the season as the kids have grown up, and they just don't use it like they once did. I think I only saw them a couple times all summer.
     
  12. Shoyrtt

    Shoyrtt Alamitos to Avalon SILVER Sponsor

    Jul 16, 2020
    Redlands, CA
    1999 450 Express Bridge, 9’ Achilles dinghy w/15hp Suzuki EFI
    Caterpillar 3126TA
    Larry, unless someone with intimate knowledge on the Sea Ray production numbers chimes in, I figure we might be able to get a close estimate on the total built from the that 450EB hull stamp number. Maybe we can get some 2004 owners to post their number for the end of the production run.
     
  13. Shoyrtt

    Shoyrtt Alamitos to Avalon SILVER Sponsor

    Jul 16, 2020
    Redlands, CA
    1999 450 Express Bridge, 9’ Achilles dinghy w/15hp Suzuki EFI
    Caterpillar 3126TA
    Laker Life,
    The 450 EB has V-drives. With that boat having the Cummins package instead of Cats, you should be good to go. One note, access to the port side engine can be tight, so look carefully for any oil leaks there. My port side turbo had a leak that I didn't see but the engine surveyor caught. He was 5'5" and 130lbs and could wedge in there better than me to inspect it. There were reports of some of the early 98 boats having issues with water getting into the hull, but I think that was resolved by 00. I would suggest you carefully inspect the access hatch directly in front of the sink in the galley. Climb down into the small space and shine your flashlight through the holes that allow you to see the sump on the starboard side. The sump can be accessed for cleaning and maintenance by the hatch just outside the midship stateroom, but you can't see as much as you can from the center hatch.
     
    Last edited: Jun 9, 2022
  14. LakerLife

    LakerLife New Member

    9
    Aug 19, 2019
    Spring Lake, MI
    2008 Monterey 250CR
    Volvo 5.7L stern drive
    Thank you!!
     
  15. Shoyrtt

    Shoyrtt Alamitos to Avalon SILVER Sponsor

    Jul 16, 2020
    Redlands, CA
    1999 450 Express Bridge, 9’ Achilles dinghy w/15hp Suzuki EFI
    Caterpillar 3126TA
    Here is my hull ID. #506 so maybe it’s the 6th built.

    37ABDAA8-7392-4B24-9E72-9B0DB47D22B3.png
     
    Last edited: Jan 20, 2021
  16. Shoyrtt

    Shoyrtt Alamitos to Avalon SILVER Sponsor

    Jul 16, 2020
    Redlands, CA
    1999 450 Express Bridge, 9’ Achilles dinghy w/15hp Suzuki EFI
    Caterpillar 3126TA
    After our first trip on the hook this past Summer, I was not impressed with the amount of generator use needed to keep the house batteries charged. The previous owner had installed an AGM and lead acid battery in the house bank. The lead battery was on it's last legs, so I did some research on the possibility of installing lithium batteries along with a a new inverter/charger to update the 21 year old systems. My research along with some recommendations lead me to Battle Born from Nevada. https://battlebornbatteries.com/marine-systems/
    I ended up with one of their marine kits that came with 6 batteries, the charger/inverter, a battery monitor, a alternator protection box and a solar module (solar panels not included). I made the phone call and found out that beautiful California would charge some sort of an import tax on lithium batteries coming into the state if I had them shipped here, so we opted to send them to Arizona first. :confused: Here are the boxes:
    Lith8.jpg
    And the contents:
    Lith6.jpg
    Lith4.jpg
    Out with the old:
    Lith7.jpg
    Lith5.jpg
    And in with the new:
    Lith1.jpg
    Lith2.jpg
    Lith3.jpg
    The battery monitor is also bluetooth compatible so I can monitor it from my phone. With the old stuff I had 400 amps that I could draw maybe 50% of. The new set up is 600 amps and the people at Battle Born say I can draw 90 to 95%. I still have to make a cover for the batteries and a small divider wall between the two banks of batteries, covers for all of the terminals and tie up some minor items, but I'm happy with how it came out. I'm not sure if I will add the solar module and panels at this point. I set up the inside breaker panel with another breaker next to the generator and shore power breakers so that with the inverter, I can run the port systems and galley systems on the 110 side from the batteries. I'm hopeful this will drastically reduce the use of the generator out on the water.
     
    Last edited: Jan 18, 2021
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  17. LakerLife

    LakerLife New Member

    9
    Aug 19, 2019
    Spring Lake, MI
    2008 Monterey 250CR
    Volvo 5.7L stern drive
    I talked to the broker on that boat. He said the seller is the one showing it (?) and since he lives an hour away and is very busy, he only wants to show it to very serious buyers. Said I basically would need to make an offer (contingent on viewing, etc) to see the boat. I'm not ready to do that.
     
  18. Shoyrtt

    Shoyrtt Alamitos to Avalon SILVER Sponsor

    Jul 16, 2020
    Redlands, CA
    1999 450 Express Bridge, 9’ Achilles dinghy w/15hp Suzuki EFI
    Caterpillar 3126TA
    I called Kevin the broker on that boat to see if he could get me in contact with the seller so I could maybe get the patterns for the cockpit and flybridge. He said he was a friend of the seller's and he would get back to me. That was a couple of months ago.
    I would pass on making an offer under those terms. Another one will come up when you are ready.
     
  19. Shoyrtt

    Shoyrtt Alamitos to Avalon SILVER Sponsor

    Jul 16, 2020
    Redlands, CA
    1999 450 Express Bridge, 9’ Achilles dinghy w/15hp Suzuki EFI
    Caterpillar 3126TA
    If you did not see this in the General section, Frank Webster gave his insight on the hull numbers Sea Ray used to identify each boat. I was under the belief that we could look at the hull number from an early boat like mine and compare it to a 2004 450 EB to get an estimate on the total number of boats produced. Here once again is my hin and hull number followed by Frank's explanation:
    SeaRayHull#.jpg

    "The top number is the USCG required HIN # it is decoded as follows:
    US. Boat was built for the US market
    SER Vessel is a Sea Ray
    P boat built in Palm Coast FL plant
    4154 this is the serial number of the boat The next number in sequence could be a bow rider or a 680sss
    G boat was built in July
    8 boat was built in 1998
    99 manufactured as a 1999 model boat

    The lower number is an internal number for Sea Ray and their dealers and generally has no significance outside of Sea Ray and their dealers.

    450EB is the boat model
    506 is the hull number and is the number SR and the dealers refer to when they need to discuss a specific boat. This number is sequential within the factory but may change at a model year change."

    Frank's key words are the hull number "may change at a model year change." LMBoat's hin and hull number are SERP4450D999 450EB-553. It probably is the 53rd boat built in April of 1999 in the 1999 model year. For the 2000 model year, Sea Ray reset the hull number and produced "450EB-508" from the ad picture I found on Yachtworld:
    SeaRayEB#.jpg
    This boat's hin is SERP4548G900, so it was also built in July, but a year and 394 boats after my boat.
    It appears the only way to even estimate the total number of 450 EBs produced would be to have a list of hull numbers for each model year and add them all up. I was hoping it would be easier. :(
     
    Last edited: Jan 28, 2021
  20. Shoyrtt

    Shoyrtt Alamitos to Avalon SILVER Sponsor

    Jul 16, 2020
    Redlands, CA
    1999 450 Express Bridge, 9’ Achilles dinghy w/15hp Suzuki EFI
    Caterpillar 3126TA
    Here is a small update on my quest to get new exterior flooring in the boat as one of my winter projects. As I indicated in my earlier post, I have the patterns from Sea Dek for the cockpit, stairs and swim platform. I need the flybridge. I found out that Plas Deck has the pattern for part of the flybridge listed as a "450 Sedan Bridge" so I was excited that I might be able to purchase their samples. I passed when they said it would be $700 for the patterns and I would still need to make the template for the area behind the helm. I probably would have bit the bullet on the cost that would be applied to the purchase of their complete kit if the overall cost wasn't too bad. The quote was for 10 to 12k. :eek:
    PlasDeck.jpg

    That motivation got me tracing my old carpet on to the template maker that Corinthian marine flooring produces. I removed the carpet and placed the plastic template maker material on the ground in my marina parking lot. I made the two pieces fat by 2" all around and then placed them back in the flybridge where I trimmed them to fit.
    Carpet4.jpg
    Once I have everything complete, I should have a set of templates that I can share if anyone else needs them.
     
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