The Dreaded "D" Word

[Four Suns]

The whole "bigger is better" attitude is for people who have a lack of self-esteem, or are defined by the dollar figure attached to their possessions.

I just wanted to bring this thread back since Mr. I'm-a-socialist-jerk-who-deserves-free-health-care-because-you-have-a-bigger-boat-than-me Paul is back on another thread claiming he's a good guy and other people are "ass holes" and he runs a big forum somewhere else and blah blah blah...

Go read this thread from the beginning... It's from last year... I'm not even involved in it...

and he's back whining to Wes to do a better job again today: http://clubsearay.com/forum/showpost.php?p=159044&postcount=61

Paul? I know someone on the east coast that would be your friend and buy you a beer....

PS: I haul around 4 kids, 2 stupid dogs and an angry wife and if I wanted to really impress you, I would have bought a 52 foot Viking instead of a 480 Sedan Bridge. Unless large families can't go boating...? Maybe we should redistribute some wealth up there for you?

 

[190SigSeaRay]

The whole "bigger is better" attitude is for people who have a lack of self-esteem, or are defined by the dollar figure attached to their possessions.

I still maintain that point of view. If you need to have something bigger than everyone else, it's an ego thing, which can almost always be attributed to a lack of self esteem. Once again, Gary, because I understand you're not the smartest feller, I'll attempt to paraphrase my position like I did before:

Having a big boat(or house, or truck, or WHATEVER) does not mean you have a lack of self esteem. It usually means you're rich, which last time I checked was a GOOD thing. HOWEVER, and this is a BIG however, if you feel the need to have big things to impress others, well, that's not a good thing. And we ALL know people who fit that description. And those people have a tendancy to equate success and status with BIG things.

BTW:

Socialist? Nope. You'd be surprised, dOOd. Take a look at your passport- I have something identical.

Free health care? Nope. I pay dearly for it. High taxes suck.

Good guy? You bet, but you'll never know.

Big forum? Bigger than you could imagine.

East Coast? Shoot, I have friends on every coast, and plenty in between.

Redistribute your wealth? I don't need your money, I have plenty of my own. But thanks anyways.

BTW, your grudge is laughable, and pathetic to boot. You're a drama queen, plain and simple- even your user title shows you enjoy being known as a trouble maker- that's kinda sad. Am I the only one who's amazed that a guy 1000 miles away can make you so upset you feel the need to drag up a post from last year that was over and done with, which by your own admission you had nothing to do with?? Get a life, man.....

One last piece of advice, Gary. I suggest you make an appointment with your doctor first thing tomorrow and get him to up your dosage.........

Happy boating.

Paul

 

[Nehalennia]

Really Gary?
I've met Paul personally. He is an absolutley great guy, with a beautiful family. I'm Not sure what compels you dig up an old thread.
His comments earlier in my thread, after he was absent for some time, was that he hasn't been around because of the bullying, and too much talk about Political stuff and I agree. I think Wes does a great job for the guidelines that it seems we've all agreed to.

Personally I'd like Political crap to be banned from the site. I understand if you have an issue with someone, healthy banter or debate on a boating topic is perfect, lots of info is volleyed out and maybe it contributes to educating he masses. There is no doubt you know your stuff, but the resurection of an ancient thread to call a person:
"Mr. I'm-a-socialist-jerk-who-deserves-free-health-care-because-you-have-a-bigger-boat-than-me Paul"
just because he lives in Canada is out of line.

I'm tired of the political stuff. I will ask Wes to ban it. It has no place here, holding tank or otherwise. If you want to talk politics find a political forum.

Hey I'm guilty of stuff that I've volleyed out that doesn't belong, in fact a PM I sent to you that I thought was funny. If I go that route it's in a vein of humor.

This is truly getting old.

 

[Four Suns]

Come on Todd... This guy shows up out of left field yesterday and starts calling people "ass holes" and then I noticed this morning he went and deleted his inflammatory posts. The reason I bring up this old post is to show how this guy also shows up on the scene, has a low post count, and starts bashing the board and people with bigger boats unprovoked. It's all here in this thread... no political stuff... And I wasn't even involved in this thread so you can't blame me for it... I wasn't even involved in your thread where he shows up and starts busting on people so you can't blame me for that either... but he deleted it so no one can see it...

I just went and looked at where this guy is coming from after I read his posts from yesterday... and I find this right after he joined:

I see......

Y'know, I've been getting the impression that this board is geared more towards the bigger boats, and the above comments have pretty much confirmed that feeling.

At this point I feel I should bow out and find a place where I can learn about boats without being made to feel like I don't belong because all I own is a "little" bowrider.

And to those of you who found offense in my comment, is it maybe, just maybe possible that it stings a wee bit because it's true???? Hmmmmmmmmm..........

Over and out.

Paul

That comment from his was provoked by two people saying "oh?"... Must be some new definition to the word "oh" I don't know about to get him so upset.

Maybe it's ok for him to start the name calling yesterday... I think Jim just locked a bashing thread yesterday and so I'm not sure why this clown shows up in a forum that everyone reads and starts bashing people again... I sorta thought this stuff was beat to death...

My description of Paul is from scanning over his past comments... Some bashing me, some bashing moderators, some bashing other forum members... For example, he knows what "Rich" is:

Having a big boat(or house, or truck, or WHATEVER) does not mean you have a lack of self esteem. It usually means you're rich...

So all you guys with a "big boat" (I assume 280 Sundancer and up based on his attack on Bridog) are probably "rich". Stop your complaining about the economy...

If Paul is such a great guy and forum moderator for somewhere else, maybe he could tell us how he would have handled his own posts from yesterday? Just a quick scan of the place he moderates shows posts like this:

http://coloradok5.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2083815&postcount=17

Good gosh... And he's over here telling Wes how to moderate? Give me a break. I would say the political talk is very mild compared to that kind of crap.

As for my "Head Pot Stirrer" title, the moderator or owner put that there... not me.. and it's all in good fun. At least my forum name isn't "iwaxmyjimmy".

Sorry I drug up the facts... I guess that's not PC these days.

And as far as the original question on this thread? Nothing wrong with downsizing or having a smaller boat. When my gaggle of kids are gone, there's going to be some serious downsizing... and I'll enjoy every minute of it.

 

[Kurt]

I would not worry at all about what others think you should do. Downsizing is a choice you have to make to live within your financial means. My friends poke fun at me calling my boat a "dinghy" and crap like that but the bottom line is .......mine is paid for theirs are not. A smart person told me long ago that the lake will always be there are and there will be plenty of boats for sale!

 

[jg300da]

Is it just me or can anyone else see how Gary's posts are taking a decidedly defensive and somewhat paranoid slant? He spent time yesterday researching the content of posts from an obscure member who hasn't posted in quite a while and immediately commenced with name calling. And of course he defends it all with a sarcastic remark about not being P.C., as if that rationalizes anything. Even Todd, one of his most ardent supporters, had to call him out this time. Sad.

 

[Presentation]

........So all you guys with a "big boat" (I assume 280 Sundancer and up based on his attack on Bridog) are probably "rich". Stop your complaining about the economy....

When did he own a 280?

For the record, ALL those with boats smaller then a 280 Sundancer are ‘little boats’ owned by people at the low end of the economic scale and are envious of others and their success.

All those with boats bigger then a 280 Sundancer are greedy business owners that repress their employees or have gathered wealth via ill gotten means and show off with their big boats.

Only people with 280 Sundancers are good / honest / hard working folk that have their life in balance.

As long as we are on the subject, if you drive slower then me you are a idiot. If you drive faster then me you are a maniac.

:thumbsup:

 

[Four Suns]

Is it just me or can anyone else see how Gary's posts are taking a decidedly defensive and somewhat paranoid slant? He spent time yesterday researching the content of posts from an obscure member who hasn't posted in quite a while and immediately commenced with name calling. And of course he defends it all with a sarcastic remark about not being P.C., as if that rationalizes anything. Even Todd, one of his most ardent supporters, had to call him out this time. Sad.

It's paranoid to click on the "see all previous posts by..." link when clicking on someone's name at the top of a post? Especially when they come in calling people names unprovoked? Yeah... that'll make people get defensive... sorry.

Is it not PC to say "PC" now?

 

[CSR_Admin]

Is it just me or can anyone else see how Gary's posts are taking a decidedly defensive and somewhat paranoid slant? He spent time yesterday researching the content of posts from an obscure member who hasn't posted in quite a while and immediately commenced with name calling. And of course he defends it all with a sarcastic remark about not being P.C., as if that rationalizes anything. Even Todd, one of his most ardent supporters, had to call him out this time. Sad.

I think Gary read some of the obnoxious responses Paul wrote before he deleted them.

I have always thought size was more relevant to what you needed. Brand, if anything, would determine your self esteem or whatever this guy is talking about. Since an equivelent 19' Sea Ray would cost more than say, a Rinker, he is actually bashing himself which is funny.

Gary, there is only about a 20% difference in the boating population between people that think you're a jerk with no self esteem and people that think he is a jerk with no self esteem (http://nmma.org/facts/local/documents/2005RegistrationsSummary.pdf) so I would not worry over this guy too much. In either case the majority of the boating population thinks anybody with a boat 19' or bigger is a jerk with no self esteem according to this guys theory. Oh well.. You can't please them all. He already left his internet forum suicide letter in one of the posts he deleted so I'm not sure if that means he's coming back or not.

 

[Four Suns]

His suicide letters are all over so I doubt he could find them all... Talk about paranoid? Look at this discussion on the meaning of "oh?"

Huh??? :smt017

I was bashing? Throwing jabs? Since when is telling it like it is a bad thing? And now you're gonna deep six the thread?

C'mon. All I said was that downsizing is not necessarily a bad thing, and that you can still have fun in a small boat, especially when you take a look at the economics of running something smaller. I also discussed that fact that a lot of people have a need "bigger" things, be it trucks, houses or boats. Is that not true? ALL of us know people like that, and the "oh" comments really struck a nerve with me. If people can't read into what "oh" really meant, please take a close look.

We live in a day and age where average people like me are able to enjoy things that our parents were NEVER able to afford, like boating. We also live in a day and age where there is a lot of pressure to "go big or go home", and I for one hate that train of thought. Do what's right for you, and enjoy it for what it is.

Anyhow, I've obviously pissed a bunch of you off. That was never my intention, but the resulting tension and certain comments my observations have brought forth makes me realize that I should say goodbye, and carry on somewhere else.

Take care, and happy boating. :smt001

Paul

The word "oh?" made the guy snap...

 

[wish2fish]

I see......

Y'know, I've been getting the impression that this board is geared more towards the bigger boats, and the above comments have pretty much confirmed that feeling.

At this point I feel I should bow out and find a place where I can learn about boats without being made to feel like I don't belong because all I own is a "little" bowrider.

And to those of you who found offense in my comment, is it maybe, just maybe possible that it stings a wee bit because it's true???? Hmmmmmmmmm..........

Over and out.

Paul

Its not because of your boat....Its because you're a Canadian!:grin: (j/k)

I don't get the same vibe as you regarding the big boat board.

 

[mrsrobinson]

http://www.clubsearay.com/forum/member.php?u=496I tell you what, as a reader, this is a miserable and pathetic post to follow and yet another embarassment for the CSR forums. It's the same ole stuff, just in a different post. Paul, don't know ya, haven't really read your comments with too much thought, but you can have a beer with me anytime. If I don't like ya, I will tell you then and move on.

This electronic back and forth has worn me out and I am enjoying reading and not replying. Low self esteem shows itself everyday on this forum in the form of personal pokes and jabs...not sure why folks do it, but they do.

jg, back to your comment, yes, the Mrs and I have thought about this too recently. We were all fired up about a bigger boat until the economy took a nose dive. We are now saying our current boat is just fine. In fact, our previous 24 foot cabin cruiser was tight, but would be a lot less expensive to own than our current one.

 

[Four Suns]

I am enjoying reading and not replying.

When does that start again?

 

[mrsrobinson]

Allow me to re-phrase Mr Four Suns: I am trying to become more of a reader and less of a poster and only post to those threads I feel I can add my boating knowledge to. I am also trying to not reply in the threads where a heated discussion or personal attack has started.

I am also trying to not start any new topics as I do not feel like listening to all the crap that follows. I am taking my questions to a different boating site now. I am also doing my best to not respond to your ongoing pokes and stabs at me, despite my numerous offline requests to you to stop. So far, so good.

Now back top your electronic assault on the CSR member here.

 

[JimG]

All those with boats bigger then a 280 Sundancer are greedy business owners that repress their employees or have gathered wealth via ill gotten means and show off with their big boats.

I resemble that remark! :smt001 Sort of. Does that mean I have to take my new 310 back? :huh: Cuz I don't own no business; I work hard to gather my wealth. :smt024

 

[Turtlesboat]

 

[Pseudomind]

...The whole "bigger is better" attitude is for people who have a lack of self-esteem, or are defined by the dollar figure attached to their possessions.

Just my humble opinion.

Paul

... If we're honest with each other we'll admit that part, and I say a small part, of the reason we trade up to a larger more expensive boat is ego related...

...Most of the people who have the bigger Sea Rays have had the smaller one's as well. You will notice when someone makes a posting about, "is this the right boat for me" the first question is usually how do you plan to use the boat... :smt017 ).

:smt017 Seems to be apropos! I will offer one caveat here, I HATE F'K GENERALIZATIONS, save that for the media.

I am not rich, I do not own a business, but I have worked my ass off all of my life. I have no heirs, I have lost enough money recently from my savings to pay for my boat, (which incidentally is paid for (Savings))

Why should I save all of my earnings, either it will all be lost via investments or when I am dead, what good will any savings do?, But, I do remind myself of this, '"Change" for change'

I do not believe in being in a nursing home one day sitting around and saying, "you know I always Wanted to do that." If I can do it, I do it, now if/when a nursing home day comes, I will say, "yes I have rode many a mile, at wide open speed on Germany's Autobahn on both a Harley Davidson and on some Japanese motorcycles, I have owned more then one Corvette, to include the Z06, I have owned a few boats, to include my current boat. I have been to many different parts of the world (I must credit the military with this [enlisted E-6], but then once overseas I visited many other countries on my own) I drove the complete southern French coast from Spain via Marsielle, St. Tropaz, Nice, Cannes to Monaco, through the Swiss alps on onwards. Lived on Crete for four years. Yes I have managed to do a few things and I was married at the time."

Soooo

Low self-esteem had no part in my purchase.

Ego tripping had no part in my purchase.

I am even now considering probably trading up in a few years and downsizing my house (Which is over 25 years old and less the 2000 square feet, but it has an in ground pool) . Maybe a small condo somewhere for a home base and living on a larger boat. Doing something like the loop trip thread here at CSR, or leaving Jacksonville, Florida and taking a leisurely trip down to the Keys, then up into the Gulf Coast onwards towards Texas and then back.

Cause you know, you know (using the oft used vernacular here) When you are dead, you're dead, their is no? Did I do this? I forgot to lock the...blah, blah, yada, yada, you dead! You know, you know

:thumbsup:

 

[mrsrobinson]

Folks, do yourself a favor, walk away from this discussion for 24 - 48 hours. You will probably look at it differently then.

I do not think we need to hear everyone justifying how they paid for their boat, how they make their money, how they save their money, why they purchased the boat they did, etc.

So someone here rubbed you the wrong way or pissed you off. Fine, it's going to happen again today and tomorrow. If not here then on another forum/listserv. Some here thrive on pissing you off and getting you fired up. They want the reaction.

So, in my opinion, try to walk away from it. Trust me, it's not worth it at the end of the day.

Just my opinion and what's working for me.

 

[CSR_Admin]

This thread ran its course anyway, time to shut it down.