Congrats on the new boat and perhaps based on the above a better name would be "Debtor or Not?"
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Congrats on the new boat and perhaps based on the above a better name would be "Debtor or Not?"
JCSAM
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Congratulations on the new boat
Russ Calasant
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That's really generous Rod but I have a hotel room already, thank you for the offer- Im not sure how late I will be there Monday hopefully not too late, I will want to beat the traffic.
Russ Calasant
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Sorry to hear that, your boat is beautiful- I wouldn't feel sorry for you if you were "stuck" with her one more season
I would be all over it if I had your kinda cash!
Russ Calasant
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Thanks- No, this is a 2001 the other was a 1999. Better boat, better deal just no hydraulic platform.
Russ Calasant
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Lol, I like it thanks
Russ Calasant
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Thanks Derek, how have you been? Are you joining the rendezvous this year? Want to buy a 370!?
Hope all is well
daddyox
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All looks great, Russ. Congratulations! Which marina is your home port? Is the 370 in Mystic?
rcknecht
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If you decide to buy her, let's plan to get together when you return. Hope all goes well.
Carpedmman
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Congrats on the contract Russ! I sure hope this one goes through the survey without "issues"!
You will love the 460. I bought mine 6 months ago and absolutely LOVE HER! Good Luck!
You will love the 460. I bought mine 6 months ago and absolutely LOVE HER! Good Luck!
Russ Calasant
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The 370 was at Seaport, now at Gwenmore. The 460 will be at Fort Rachel in Mystic.
Russ Calasant
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Thanks, can't wait! Does your have a hydraulic platform? This one does not. What are your thoughts? Do you carry a dink?
Carpedmman
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That is a real tough decision to make-with or without a hydraulic platform. When I was looking, there was an '01 boat in Chicago which had the lift, needed canvas, no cockpit heat and then the boat we bought, '03 new canvas, cockpit heat/AC, and no platform-same price as the '01. We had to make the decision to go with the closer boat, less money on transportation cost to Oregon. I would like the lift, but it was not a must have! The other feature were very important in the decision making process. I think having the lift in fresh water for 8-10 years and then bringing it to Oregon would have been fine, but I would be concerned about bringing a salt water boat with a lift to fresh water. I have heard that having all these moving parts sitting in salt water really takes its' toll.
I will be getting a dink this year and will be putting either a Hurley lift or something similar on the swim platform.
Enjoy the shakedown on Monday! There is nothing like those massive turbos spooling up around 2000-2200rpms!
JCSAM
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Russ Thinking about the rendezvous don't know yet. We are pretty happy with the 280 not ready to move up yet.
Russ,
The hydraulic platform should not be a "must have" in my opinion. Get the boat you feel will satsify the parameters such as engines, hours, general care, etc. Ours happens to have the GHS lift and while it's impressive at what it does, it sounds like a garbage truck unloading a dumpster. It's more difficult to line up the dinghy upon retrieval than my previous boat with a roll on/ roll off system. In other words it would not be a priority for me on the next boat (if there ever is one).
The 460 is a very stable and forgiving boat with few bad habits, it's just not real fast. The hard top is desirable along with cockpit AC/heat. When you add the camper, as Carpedmman and I have done, it almost doubles your living space.
Good luck on your choice.
James
The hydraulic platform should not be a "must have" in my opinion. Get the boat you feel will satsify the parameters such as engines, hours, general care, etc. Ours happens to have the GHS lift and while it's impressive at what it does, it sounds like a garbage truck unloading a dumpster. It's more difficult to line up the dinghy upon retrieval than my previous boat with a roll on/ roll off system. In other words it would not be a priority for me on the next boat (if there ever is one).
The 460 is a very stable and forgiving boat with few bad habits, it's just not real fast. The hard top is desirable along with cockpit AC/heat. When you add the camper, as Carpedmman and I have done, it almost doubles your living space.
Good luck on your choice.
James
Alex F
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- Nov 14, 2006
- 9,166
- Boat Info
- 2005 420DB with AB 11 DLX Tender, Raymarine Electronics (2x12" MFDs) with Vesper AIS
- Engines
- Cummins 450Cs, 9KW Onan Generator, 40HP Yamaha for tender.
James, what's your cruising speed and RPMs? We have the same engines, so I wonder what's the difference we have in performance.
Alex,
I generally cruise around 80-85% or 2200-2250 rpm (2700 WOT is ideal). That gives around 22 knots at full load, creeping up to 24 knots as the fuel is used up. WOT yields about 29 knots. These motors are all mechanical, 500 hrs. with ZF V-drives. I am having the props "tuned" over the winter so we will see what happens. Best performance is in the spring with a clean bottom. I'll lose at least a knot as the summer progresses. Is your performance similar?
I make the comment that it is not real fast because we cruise with a friend who has a '99 450DA with 3126 CATs. He cruises a couple of knots faster but carries a lot less weight. Another friend with a '08 55DA leaves both of us in his wake.
James
I generally cruise around 80-85% or 2200-2250 rpm (2700 WOT is ideal). That gives around 22 knots at full load, creeping up to 24 knots as the fuel is used up. WOT yields about 29 knots. These motors are all mechanical, 500 hrs. with ZF V-drives. I am having the props "tuned" over the winter so we will see what happens. Best performance is in the spring with a clean bottom. I'll lose at least a knot as the summer progresses. Is your performance similar?
I make the comment that it is not real fast because we cruise with a friend who has a '99 450DA with 3126 CATs. He cruises a couple of knots faster but carries a lot less weight. Another friend with a '08 55DA leaves both of us in his wake.
James
Alex F
Well-Known Member
- Nov 14, 2006
- 9,166
- Boat Info
- 2005 420DB with AB 11 DLX Tender, Raymarine Electronics (2x12" MFDs) with Vesper AIS
- Engines
- Cummins 450Cs, 9KW Onan Generator, 40HP Yamaha for tender.
James,
We're not too far apart in performance. First of all, my Cummins tech advised me that based on his knowledge these engines love to cruise at 2300RPMs, at this rate they can run all day long none stop. You might remember my other posts earlier in the last season where I wasn't happy with my fuel burn, so I've learned that since my boat is heavy and I have the lift, the faster I run the better my MPG number will be. So, my numbers are:
2200-2250RPMs=22kts
2300RPMs=24kts
Since mine is a bridge boat it's sensitive to wind and obviously sea conditions play a big role. So I don't always see these numbers. When conditions are ok I try to cruise at 2350RPMs to be in 23-24kts range. In the ocean, when it's choppy, I have to slow down a bit to 2200-2250RPMs and be in range of 21-22kts. My WOT is 28kts@2680RPMs (in spring, full fuel, full water, most gear on board). At the end of the season I still get 28kts but at p2670/s2640RPMs (this test was done with over 3/4 fuel, 1/2 water, full gear). I'm happy to see these number in fall.
Your numbers are bit surprising to me, only b/c you have sundancer and I have the bridge. If I recall, the dry weight of our boats is similar. So, If I understand correctly I'm ahead by about 1 knot at the same RPMs. I was expecting to be the other way around. Well, you beat me at WOT by 1 knot. So we're even...:grin:
I guess the difference should be in transmissions ratio and/or props. My trainies are ZF280-1A 1.769:1. I have straight drives, not V-Drives. I'm swinging 23d x 26p 4-blade High Torque props.
P.S. I think I found couple more contributors to the issue:
1. You have V-Drives, which means that your engines are seating much more to stern making her more stern heavy.
2. I can't see very well in your sig. photo, but it looks like you have extended swim platform with hydraulic lift. This adds ton of weight to the stern. My lift is the lightest there's, it's made by SeaLift and has only cradle, no extended platform. I currently carry regular size inflatable dink with 4ph motor. So, my stern is not so heavy.
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Alex F
Well-Known Member
- Nov 14, 2006
- 9,166
- Boat Info
- 2005 420DB with AB 11 DLX Tender, Raymarine Electronics (2x12" MFDs) with Vesper AIS
- Engines
- Cummins 450Cs, 9KW Onan Generator, 40HP Yamaha for tender.
James, your dinghy is about 300 heavier than mine so this sure can take 1kt off. I don't know how much testing you've done, but I would suggest you try running and clocking her at 2000/2100/2200/2300RPMs. Do each test for few minutes. I found 6kts by adding 300RPMs from 2000.