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The majority of those who died WITH covid, not FROM covid.
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The majority of those who died WITH covid, not FROM covid.
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And who do you blame for that?
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just reminiscing a little...sniffle, sniffle
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You don't care who I blame for all those deaths but it's puzzling why does the US have more deaths from Covid than any other country.
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Yes, it's been said multiple times, only 5-10% or so of the reported COVID deaths are due to COVID. The majority are due to comorbidities.
Not a totally accurate statement. Actually, by definition, every one of the reported deaths have an "Immediate Cause" of Covid 19 or are "Due to (or a consequence of) Covid-19".
It's all about how you keep the numbers. First, define what a death from covid is? Seems like in the vast majority of cases Covid may be a contributing cause, but not necessarily a primary cause. But, we are keeping stats so we can see the effect of Covid. Second, there is in fact a financial incentive to record as much Covid related death as possible as the feds are giving funds to supplement that care. Third, many countries don't have as robust data collection systems as we do, or are just outright lying. In normal times, it's no big deal. But in a politically charged atmosphere, watch out.
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I do care because it clearly impacts what and how you write.
As to why.....no other country I know pays a hospital $35K per recorded Covid death (the US Government does this to keep the hospitals funded). This approach has dramatically lowered heart disease and cancer mortality across the country. The joke in California was that Covid has almost cured heart disease based on mortality reporting.
In a political year......every crisis is a weapon.
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Thats BS a doctor or hospital is not paid more for a Covid-19 death, stop drink Trumps kool-aid
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What is it like to live in your world? How do you feel when you get smacked down by an article in the very liberal USAToday?
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...ore-covid-19-patients-coronavirus/3000638001/
The reality is simple....the CARES Act provided $100B of funding to Hospitals plus a 20% kicker for Covid cases. Instead of insulting others perhaps you should do some fact checking on your own. While USAToday fact checks it as True.....they did not bother to correlate morbidity rates by other causes. If they had.....they would have seen the lowest morbidity rates for cancer/heart disease since records were kept in New York and California during 2020. How else could you explain a multi-decade trend in morbidity changing radically in 2020?
Do some research before you go off on another TDS tirade.
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Doctors are not paid more money if they report a death as being covid. Your HUTA has blinded you. Trump will be gone soon thank God
https://www.politifact.com/factchec...-trumps-false-claim-doctors-inflate-covid-19/
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It’s easy to think it’s no big deal to mis characterize, or falsify medical billing. Having had medical Billings in excess of $1.5 million in a single year, I can tell you the insurance industry would simply not allow it because they do not pay for anything that they are not obligated to pay for. Actually they don’t want to pay anything. Also keep in mind the insurance industry has built a system where pre-approval is required for many in hospital procedures.
Mis categorizing a cause of death is:
A criminal act (falsification of a government document)
Claiming an insurance benefit on the basis of a falsified death certificate or record is:
Insurance fraud.
Impact of the above:
On hospitals, criminal prosecution for fraud and document tampering for employees. Loss of ability to invoice insurance companies. Blacklist by Medicare is a bankrupting event to any medical enterprise.
For doctors consequence of falsifying death certificates: criminal prosecution, censure or loss of medical license and increased liability to malpractice litigation (as well as losing malpractice insurance).
Keep in mind the insurance industry (and that includes Medicare) has a finely tuned and aggressive process for vetting insurance claims (even with rigorous pre approval). Granted this is mostly geared for catching inaccurate characterization of invoice line items, the result is a check for fraudulent claims. It includes many things, but the biggest is an analysis of invoices for medical justification for each expense. That’s a line by line check that each expense is justified on the diagnosis. Making a claim for treatment for COVID that does not have a comprehensive history of COVID treatment would be cause for insurance rejection. The insurance industry is just too aggressive on invoice review for the notion of a wide spread conspiracy to defraud it to be anything but laughable.
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What is laughable is the continued denial by people who have not bothered to read the CARES Act. If you have read it then you would know that they have directly encouraged facilities to report Covid and Covid related deaths to the CDC. Anything Covid related is reimbursed with a premium of 20% under the CARES Act.
When the Act went into affect, the testing was still sporadic which created a serious verification issue. As a direct result.....many deaths were improperly classified as Covid which resulted in other morbidity diseases (heart disease and cancer) dropping to unbelievable levels. You can't with a straight face say that Heart disease has been killing Californians on average of 62,000 people a year for the last decade....magically drops to 44,000 for 2020.
I have no issue with the US Government supporting hospitals, doctors and nurses in the time of pandemic but misrepresenting the results doesn't help anyone.
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John,
CDC data is based on death certificate cause of death.
Falsifying a death certificate is a crime.
Knowingly making an insurance claim based on a falsified death certificate is a crime.
if someone who has terminal cancer dies in a car crash, the cause of death is “car crash”. Likewise if someone has heart disease and dies from COVID, the cause of death is still COVID.
While I have not read the CARES Act, I do have enough confidence to say that it is impossible that any Act would have a clause that says it’s ok to falsify death certificates to obtain a government benefit. Your position is no different than saying because IRS regulations give you a tax deduction for a child, it’s ok to claim the family dog as a dependent. The logical extension then becomes the number of child dependents in the US is incorrect because all of the unscrupulous tax payers claiming Scruffles the family Lab as a dependent.
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Henry,
I get it....you believe that if a LAW says that it is illegal to do something.....no one will do it.
The fact that historic morbidity causes drop precipitously while at precisely the same time the government rolls out the CARES act cannot be correlated because of THE LAW is just absurd. What other possible explanation is there? Did someone cure heart disease and cancer in 2020?
As I said before.....misrepresenting the facts hurts everyone.
What???? I thought the Scruffles deduction was "settled law".
Where are you seeing the numbers about decreases in causes of deaths other than covid? According to the CDC, there have been ~300K more deaths in 2020 than would otherwise been expected, including covid. So, either covid deaths or deaths from other causes are undercounted. See https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htmHenry,
I get it....you believe that if a LAW says that it is illegal to do something.....no one will do it.
The fact that historic morbidity causes drop precipitously while at precisely the same time the government rolls out the CARES act cannot be correlated because of THE LAW is just absurd. What other possible explanation is there? Did someone cure heart disease and cancer in 2020?
As I said before.....misrepresenting the facts hurts everyone.
What???? I thought the Scruffles deduction was "settled law".
It looks to me like that is based on a "model." Here is their jiberish: "Estimates of excess deaths can be calculated in a variety of ways, and will vary depending on the methodology and assumptions about how many deaths are expected to occur. Estimates of excess deaths presented in this webpage were calculated using Farrington surveillance algorithms (1). A range of values for the number of excess deaths was calculated as the difference between the observed count and one of two thresholds (either the average expected count or the upper bound of the 95% prediction interval), by week and jurisdiction."
However, if you look at raw numbers, about 2.8 million people die per year. We are on that exact pace, which would indicate the idea of "excess" death is a mirage.
