Mike Rowe...total respect

Creekwood said:
His most impactful accomplishment is dividing the GOP and losing the election. Almost everything else he tried to accomplish will be undone, and if the GOP can't get its shit together, it will stay that way for years and years. Sorry, I don't think that is much of an accomplishment.
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Had you been a small business man or a large corporation here you would see it. He repatriated billions of dollars held off shore by his tax reforms, in return that money came home and was put in the American system. He also woke up NATO that we have payed for everyone. Don"t forget we was realizing that we are the middle east in terms of energy. Most people possibly you doesn't get that. Big deal in National defense. His America first policy is the way any President should represent our collective hopes in being free and none dependent.
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It is a sad state of affairs when an agenda of putting America first, controlling our own borders, and becoming energy independent is considered "far right". These are things we all, as Americans, should be able to agree on.
 
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Had you been a small business man or a large corporation here you would see it. He repatriated billions of dollars held off shore by his tax reforms, in return that money came home and was put in the American system. He also woke up NATO that we have payed for everyone. Don"t forget we was realizing that we are the middle east in terms of energy. Most people possibly you doesn't get that. Big deal in National defense. His America first policy is the way any President should represent our collective hopes in being free and none dependent.
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That's all fine, but he lost the election and now the house and senate and executive are all Democrat controlled because the necessary majority of American's wanted it that way. Your job as republicans if you want to save American conservative values (and I don't mean far right, 1800's values) is to convince Americans that are center/left that they should move center right. I don't think you realize the damage being done to the ability to preserve conservative values it is to support radical right views in any way.
 
bobeast said:
It is a sad state of affairs when an agenda of putting America first, controlling our own borders, and becoming energy independent is considered "far right". These are things we all, as Americans, should be able to agree on.
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Logic has left us... or left half of us. Why kill so many jobs before you have created a single job?... unbelievable
 
Creekwood said:
Do you guys get it now? You had a President that pulled the GOP far right and inflamed the far left enough to vote and tip the scales. About half of the country leans left. Get over it. Its a fact. And some of those that are middle of the road republicans or party agnostic have moved and voted Democrat because the want the POTUS to be less far right.

So if you got the government you deserve. Not what you individually may have voted for, but the GOP let this happen. The election was not rigged. That is horse shit. I hate the far left green movements as much as you guys do. Maybe more cause its worse in Canada. Its too much too fast. But damn it, the fix is not a GOP moving far right. And its not a revolution. Its picking the right leaders in the GOP. Far right ain't gonna do it.
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If you believe running more moderate Republicans is the answer, I give you IL. We have no Republican party because they wanted to run "moderate" candidates to appeal to the Chicago suburbs. Heck the last guy was a liberal Republican who expanded abortion in IL. He got his arse kicked by a fat billionare who never held a freaking job. That was the final death knell of the IL Republican party.

The real problem isn't left vs right. The real problem is Republicans are weak. They try to play nice and go on CNN and the like, only to get labeled as racist etc. when they run for office. Then they fold like a cheap suit. The Democrats play for keeps and take no prisioners. Just look at what is going on with that Congresswoman from Ga. -- Marjorie Taylor Greene. Lady may be a nut job, but she is a dully elected nut job. The Democrats made the Republicrats cower in a meeting to "punish" her. When they refused, they did it anyway. Swallwel is boning a Chinese spy -- nothing happens. Several antisemites sit as Democrat congresswomen -- nothing. And Republicans when they where in power where too weak to do anything the Democrats just did.

And if you don't think the election was rigged, you haven't been paying attention. Democrats knocking Bernie out of the primary, so Biden wins -- rigged. Mail in voting with lax signature verification and/or acceptance of ballots what would normally be rejected because of address defects and the like -- rigged. Allowing votes to arrive after election day, with questionable postmarks -- rigged. Unsupervised drop boxes allowing for ballot harvesting -- rigged. Social media censoring the NY post story regarding Hunter Biden's corruption visa vie his father -- rigged. The FBI not revealing they where investigating Hunter for the alleged corruption -- rigged. Phizer witholding announcement regarding its vaccine until days after the election -- rigged. It certinaly wasn't a fair and honest election. But hey I get it. As I said above, the Democrats know how to play the game and out flank the dumbass Republicrats all the time.
 
Biden’s 16 days and 47 EO’s... more then Obama, Bush and Clinton combined.
 
I had the privilege of making a couple of trips to Spain in 2011 flying my Billionaire's BBJ. The unemployment rate there at the time was 25% - why you ask? Spain led Europe in a conversion to a "New Green Deal" - for every job created, two were lost. JoBama is bragging about all the jobs this will "create". Mike Rowe is spot on.
 
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If you believe running more moderate Republicans is the answer, I give you IL. We have no Republican party because they wanted to run "moderate" candidates to appeal to the Chicago suburbs. Heck the last guy was a liberal Republican who expanded abortion in IL. He got his arse kicked by a fat billionare who never held a freaking job. That was the final death knell of the IL Republican party.

The real problem isn't left vs right. The real problem is Republicans are weak. They try to play nice and go on CNN and the like, only to get labeled as racist etc. when they run for office. Then they fold like a cheap suit. The Democrats play for keeps and take no prisioners. Just look at what is going on with that Congresswoman from Ga. -- Marjorie Taylor Greene. Lady may be a nut job, but she is a dully elected nut job. The Democrats made the Republicrats cower in a meeting to "punish" her. When they refused, they did it anyway. Swallwel is boning a Chinese spy -- nothing happens. Several antisemites sit as Democrat congresswomen -- nothing. And Republicans when they where in power where too weak to do anything the Democrats just did.

And if you don't think the election was rigged, you haven't been paying attention. Democrats knocking Bernie out of the primary, so Biden wins -- rigged. Mail in voting with lax signature verification and/or acceptance of ballots what would normally be rejected because of address defects and the like -- rigged. Allowing votes to arrive after election day, with questionable postmarks -- rigged. Unsupervised drop boxes allowing for ballot harvesting -- rigged. Social media censoring the NY post story regarding Hunter Biden's corruption visa vie his father -- rigged. The FBI not revealing they where investigating Hunter for the alleged corruption -- rigged. Phizer witholding announcement regarding its vaccine until days after the election -- rigged. It certinaly wasn't a fair and honest election. But hey I get it. As I said above, the Democrats know how to play the game and out flank the dumbass Republicrats all the time.
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I absolutely do not believe the election was rigged. I don't believe it and neither do the majority of Americans. If it was, it could be proven and there would be evidence. If it was, then the entire US democratic system is so weak that a bunch of democratic morons could rig it and the moron republicans couldn't find any evidence. Why do I have more faith in the systems in the US than you do? Is the whole US democratic election system a complete F-up?

You are too smart to truly believe it, but you, like many Republicrats are happy to keep stirring up those that do actually believe it so that they can do your dirty work for you. That is why your emperor with no clothes pulled a "heal spur" after telling his mob that "we" are going to march down Pennsylvania avenue to the the Capital, and then didn't have the balls to walk with them. Its pathetic. And those Republicrats that don't have the balls to say what the really believe about whether the election was fraudulently rigged. They clearly don't believe it, but they come up with spine-less quotes that they support the ex-President's demands for democracy, but don't actually say they personally beleive it was rigged. Pathetic. And then those that are too stupid to realize that those "leaders" are saying sweet f-all, think that the elected officials actually believe it. Its just so sad and pathetic.

You have a democratic republic that is the model of the free world and of many of the trapped citizens of the communist world, and yet you are the the ones now saying it has fallen apart?
 
Creekwood said:
I absolutely do not believe the election was rigged. I don't believe it and neither do the majority of Americans. If it was, it could be proven and there would be evidence. If it was, then the entire US democratic system is so weak that a bunch of democratic morons could rig it and the moron republicans couldn't find any evidence. Why do I have more faith in the systems in the US than you do? Is the whole US democratic election system a complete F-up?

You are too smart to truly believe it, but you, like many Republicrats are happy to keep stirring up those that do actually believe it so that they can do your dirty work for you. That is why your emperor with no clothes pulled a "heal spur" after telling his mob that "we" are going to march down Pennsylvania avenue to the the Capital, and then didn't have the balls to walk with them. Its pathetic. And those Republicrats that don't have the balls to say what the really believe about whether the election was fraudulently rigged. They clearly don't believe it, but they come up with spine-less quotes that they support the ex-President's demands for democracy, but don't actually say they personally beleive it was rigged. Pathetic. And then those that are too stupid to realize that those "leaders" are saying sweet f-all, think that the elected officials actually believe it. Its just so sad and pathetic.

You have a democratic republic that is the model of the free world and of many of the trapped citizens of the communist world, and yet you are the the ones now saying it has fallen apart?
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Uhhh.....we’ll the majority of voters which include 30% of Democrats disagree with your opinion.
 
Laws were changed in a number of battle-grounds states in a way that gave democrats an advantage. This is just simply a fact. Oh, sure they trotted out Covid as an excuse, but were that truly the motivation, there would have been sunset clauses in the law changes. There aren't.

If you are on one side of the debate you can arguably claim that no laws were broken, so the election could not have been "rigged". On the other side, it was rigged by virtue of that legal maneuvering.

I guess you could say they didn't cheat, because they made cheating legal. Either way, it may not have been rigged in the strictly legal sense of the term, but make no mistake, it was by no means a free and fair election.

With regards to mail-in voting, isn't it interesting how easy it is to get up on your hind legs and crow that you voted, when you had only to check a few boxes and walk over to the mailbox? Take away that convenience, and the only folks who trek to the voting place are those that actually care about their civic duty. That is why the laws were changed in those states, which just happened to be battleground states. Figure the odds....
 
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PA was one of those states and the shenanigans going on here was unreal. Many seats were led by Republicans by a landslide then we wake up the next morning and Democrats are leading only by a slim margin. That has never happened before. One of the PA Democrats stated the night before that he guaranteed he would win, and he did. Then there were the boxes of unopened ballots that were found a few weeks after the election so they were never counted.

The whole main-in ballots were a farce to devise an easy way to manipulate votes, plain and simple. Their plan worked, whether ethical or not.
 
Creekwood said:
I absolutely do not believe the election was rigged. I don't believe it and neither do the majority of Americans. If it was, it could be proven and there would be evidence. If it was, then the entire US democratic system is so weak that a bunch of democratic morons could rig it and the moron republicans couldn't find any evidence. Why do I have more faith in the systems in the US than you do? Is the whole US democratic election system a complete F-up?

You are too smart to truly believe it, but you, like many Republicrats are happy to keep stirring up those that do actually believe it so that they can do your dirty work for you. That is why your emperor with no clothes pulled a "heal spur" after telling his mob that "we" are going to march down Pennsylvania avenue to the the Capital, and then didn't have the balls to walk with them. Its pathetic. And those Republicrats that don't have the balls to say what the really believe about whether the election was fraudulently rigged. They clearly don't believe it, but they come up with spine-less quotes that they support the ex-President's demands for democracy, but don't actually say they personally beleive it was rigged. Pathetic. And then those that are too stupid to realize that those "leaders" are saying sweet f-all, think that the elected officials actually believe it. Its just so sad and pathetic.

You have a democratic republic that is the model of the free world and of many of the trapped citizens of the communist world, and yet you are the the ones now saying it has fallen apart?
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I gave you list of examples of a rigged election. If you don't want to beleive them to be true, that's your perogative. If Russia can rig the election for Trump, why can't the Democrats rig the election for Biden.
 
You guys are the perfect example of why Trump's sore loser derangement election lies are so dangerous. Intelligent people believing what you were told without considering the bias and motivation of its source. The same thing that you spouted about the MSM and all of the election officials - they were all liars. Oh yeah, they are all liars, but the Trump supporters are the truth sayers. Sure.

And its dangerous because I doubt you will do anything so stupid or anti-American as to storm the capital, or do whatever else the less intelligent election conspiracy cult members may do. You and others, especially the Right MSM perpetuating the lies feeds the cult and will lead to more unrest of the wrong kind.

If election rules are changed to allow mail in voting or to ensure that people vote, then that is not "rigging" an election. Everyone has the same right to vote under the new system. If that means that some people that would not vote otherwise were able to vote, then that is not "rigged". That is actually the intention of a democratic election. To get the views of the people.

What do you think the outcome would be if there was mandatory voting like Australia? If you say Trump would have won in a landslide, then you are saying there are many more Americans that would vote Republican than Democrats. Well then there is your problem. Get those lazy "would be" Republican's to actually vote. I think the problem was those lazy non-voters believe everything Trump says as fact. And he said he was going to win the election. So maybe they believed him and didn't bother to vote in any of the many ways that it was made easy for them.

There was no huge voter fraud. There is always some people (the good people on BOTH sides) that may try to vote improperly. ALL investigations and ALL court cases found that there was NOT fraud in the elections. But noooooo, because Trump says there was, and because some of Fox and some of the fringe media that has invested their money making to keeping the dream alive say it is true, you all continue to believe. And yet you personally have zero actual knowledge other than what you have been told by the above.

You are wrong factually about election fraud or "rigging". And IMO you are wrong morally wrong as an American Patriot, to continue to perpetuate the lie. The most biased group in the country right now is Trump and his close allies and MSM that are on his gravy train. And that is a dwindling group. They need their gravy.

And I have trust in the American electoral system. Its not as fatally flawed as your emperor wants you to believe.
 
bobeast said:
Laws were changed in a number of battle-grounds states in a way that gave democrats an advantage. This is just simply a fact. Oh, sure they trotted out Covid as an excuse, but were that truly the motivation, there would have been sunset clauses in the law changes. There aren't.

If you are on one side of the debate you can arguably claim that no laws were broken, so the election could not have been "rigged". On the other side, it was rigged by virtue of that legal maneuvering.

I guess you could say they didn't cheat, because they made cheating legal. Either way, it may not have been rigged in the strictly legal sense of the term, but make no mistake, it was by no means a free and fair election.

With regards to mail-in voting, isn't it interesting how easy it is to get up on your hind legs and crow that you voted, when you had only to check a few boxes and walk over to the mailbox? Take away that convenience, and the only folks who trek to the voting place are those that actually care about their civic duty. That is why the laws were changed in those states, which just happened to be battleground states. Figure the odds....
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The voting law changes via the executive and judicial branches in those states were completely unconstitutional. We haven’t even gotten into voting irregularities and fraud yet.
 
Creekwood said:
You guys are the perfect example of why Trump's sore loser derangement election lies are so dangerous. Intelligent people believing what you were told without considering the bias and motivation of its source. The same thing that you spouted about the MSM and all of the election officials - they were all liars. Oh yeah, they are all liars, but the Trump supporters are the truth sayers. Sure.

And its dangerous because I doubt you will do anything so stupid or anti-American as to storm the capital, or do whatever else the less intelligent election conspiracy cult members may do. You and others, especially the Right MSM perpetuating the lies feeds the cult and will lead to more unrest of the wrong kind.

If election rules are changed to allow mail in voting or to ensure that people vote, then that is not "rigging" an election. Everyone has the same right to vote under the new system. If that means that some people that would not vote otherwise were able to vote, then that is not "rigged". That is actually the intention of a democratic election. To get the views of the people.

What do you think the outcome would be if there was mandatory voting like Australia? If you say Trump would have won in a landslide, then you are saying there are many more Americans that would vote Republican than Democrats. Well then there is your problem. Get those lazy "would be" Republican's to actually vote. I think the problem was those lazy non-voters believe everything Trump says as fact. And he said he was going to win the election. So maybe they believed him and didn't bother to vote in any of the many ways that it was made easy for them.

There was no huge voter fraud. There is always some people (the good people on BOTH sides) that may try to vote improperly. ALL investigations and ALL court cases found that there was NOT fraud in the elections. But noooooo, because Trump says there was, and because some of Fox and some of the fringe media that has invested their money making to keeping the dream alive say it is true, you all continue to believe. And yet you personally have zero actual knowledge other than what you have been told by the above.

You are wrong factually about election fraud or "rigging". And IMO you are wrong morally wrong as an American Patriot, to continue to perpetuate the lie. The most biased group in the country right now is Trump and his close allies and MSM that are on his gravy train. And that is a dwindling group. They need their gravy.

And I have trust in the American electoral system. Its not as fatally flawed as your emperor wants you to believe.
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You lost me at Trump sore loser.... stop writing books after you insult us...it might work better
 
Like was said above, Democrats saying there was no way there could have possibly been fraud, yet for 4 years they cried about fraud by Russia.

Oh, and what about Biden wanting to alter the Supreme Court? This system has worked fine for over 150 years but now that it doesn't benefit the Democrats he wants to change the structure. Nothing like losing a game then changing the rules 1/2 way through cause you don't like the outcome.
And one more thing, you are saying they allowed main in ballots so every person could vote? I can promise you if those voters needed a case of beer or pack of cigarettes or crack they would find a way to get there come hell or high water. But they can't make it out to vote? Seems their priorities are the ones that are screwed up and probably shouldn't deserve to vote anyway.
 
Creekwood said:
You guys are the perfect example of why Trump's sore loser derangement election lies are so dangerous. Intelligent people believing what you were told without considering the bias and motivation of its source. The same thing that you spouted about the MSM and all of the election officials - they were all liars. Oh yeah, they are all liars, but the Trump supporters are the truth sayers. Sure.

And its dangerous because I doubt you will do anything so stupid or anti-American as to storm the capital, or do whatever else the less intelligent election conspiracy cult members may do. You and others, especially the Right MSM perpetuating the lies feeds the cult and will lead to more unrest of the wrong kind.

If election rules are changed to allow mail in voting or to ensure that people vote, then that is not "rigging" an election. Everyone has the same right to vote under the new system. If that means that some people that would not vote otherwise were able to vote, then that is not "rigged". That is actually the intention of a democratic election. To get the views of the people.

What do you think the outcome would be if there was mandatory voting like Australia? If you say Trump would have won in a landslide, then you are saying there are many more Americans that would vote Republican than Democrats. Well then there is your problem. Get those lazy "would be" Republican's to actually vote. I think the problem was those lazy non-voters believe everything Trump says as fact. And he said he was going to win the election. So maybe they believed him and didn't bother to vote in any of the many ways that it was made easy for them.

There was no huge voter fraud. There is always some people (the good people on BOTH sides) that may try to vote improperly. ALL investigations and ALL court cases found that there was NOT fraud in the elections. But noooooo, because Trump says there was, and because some of Fox and some of the fringe media that has invested their money making to keeping the dream alive say it is true, you all continue to believe. And yet you personally have zero actual knowledge other than what you have been told by the above.

You are wrong factually about election fraud or "rigging". And IMO you are wrong morally wrong as an American Patriot, to continue to perpetuate the lie. The most biased group in the country right now is Trump and his close allies and MSM that are on his gravy train. And that is a dwindling group. They need their gravy.

And I have trust in the American electoral system. Its not as fatally flawed as your emperor wants you to believe.
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Welll stated Creekwood!
That is a very well written and FACT based reply to the false accusations made by some Trump believers. I know we don't all have to agree and people do see things differently,but the facts are the facts. I admire your patience and ability to continually represent the facts to a group that refuse to see the truth! The damage being done to the US Democracy and the Republican Party will have consequences for years to come.
 
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