Mike Rowe...total respect

[sbw1]

As I've said before, it's real easy to shut down a business if you've never owned or operated one before.

We have lots of liberal friends. Actually, they are mostly folks who cancel each other's votes. What I have noticed is some people with lots of money can be liberals because it does don't really alter the way they live and it seems to feel good to them. The husbands who make the money tend to be conservative, and the wives are liberal. Small sample and just an observation. When you are on a budget and live in a city run by liberals, it becomes more difficult to get by on your budget.

 

[sbw1]

Both of our grown children live in the SF area and have great jobs. I was talking to my youngest the other day and he is looking at Idaho. Probably won't happen but SF is becoming an awful place to live. He owns a nice home in the city and is thinking of giving it up. Both are software executives.

 

[carterchapman]

Along the same lines, some of you may have Tesla's. etc. I've always been kind of skeptical as to where all the electricity would come from. Wind and solar you say? This explains that pretty well:

 

[boatman37]

Let's throw this out there while we are at it. Democrats complained for years that Trump wouldn't give up his tax returns. It isn't a requirement. But that was fine that they hounded him for 4 years. But when Trump wanted to see Obamas birth certificate he was out of line because it wasn't a requirement?

 

[bobeast]

Let's throw this out there while we are at it. Democrats complained for years that Trump wouldn't give up his tax returns. It isn't a requirement. But that was fine that they hounded him for 4 years. But when Trump wanted to see Obamas birth certificate he was out of line because it wasn't a requirement?

Russia was real, but voting irregularities are a conspiracy theory. It goes on and on.

I often wonder whether we are dealing with arrogance, or simply the inability to introspect. Either they believe the American people are too stupid to recognize the hypocrisy, or they simply have no ability recognize it in themselves.

We used to have a media who would call them out on these things, regardless of which side of the aisle they planted their rotund butts. Now it's just one big mutual appreciation society.

 

[Blueone]

Along the same lines, some of you may have Tesla's. etc. I've always been kind of skeptical as to where all the electricity would come from. Wind and solar you say? This explains that pretty well:

A city in Indiana that we had a plant in was big in promoting wind energy. They asked if I would consider investing in a windmill to help offset our energy use... the promotion was all about the money they were going to give you to subsidize the cost.... you had to figure out the return.... not including installation and with the subsidy the windmill never paid for itself in its life span

 

[Creekwood]

They said that about Trump for four years. Where where you then.

How can they say it about Trump "for four years" be the same as saying it about Biden in 16 days? Your point makes no sense.

 

[Creekwood]

As opposed to your unsubstantiated, inflammatory, lack of knowledge on our Constitution, books you write? I say it because it’s true. Try again.

No, just the statement that you wrote. Its not true, its been 16 days. The economy is not ruined. Its BS.

 

[OllieC]

No, just the statement that you wrote. Its not true, its been 16 days. The economy is not ruined. Its BS.

Sure it’s true. Just because you willfully ignore or possibly don’t understand facts doesn’t mean it isn’t.

 

[OllieC]

How can they say it about Trump "for four years" be the same as saying it about Biden in 16 days? Your point makes no sense.

This
June 2016
“When somebody says like the person you just mentioned who I’m not going to advertise for, that he’s going to bring all these jobs back. Well how exactly are you going to do that? What are you going to do? There’s no answer to it,” Obama said, refusing to even say Trump’s name.

“He just says, ‘I’m going to negotiate a better deal.’ Well how? How exactly are you going to negotiate that? What magic wand do you have? And usually the answer is, he doesn’t have an answer,” Obama continued condescendingly.

 

[OllieC]

How can they say it about Trump "for four years" be the same as saying it about Biden in 16 days? Your point makes no sense.

Then there’s this which gave us 3.5 years of daily lies from Democrats and the MSM. DAILY!

Newly declassified handwritten notes authored by former CIA Director John Brennan show that on July 28, 2016, he briefed President Barack Obama on intelligence evidence that Clinton had approved a plan to vilify Trump with false accusations that he was colluding with Russia. She did it, the intel concluded, to distract from her own damaging email scandal.

 

[Golfman25]

How can they say it about Trump "for four years" be the same as saying it about Biden in 16 days? Your point makes no sense.

WTF are you talking about. They called Trump "illegitimate and incompetent" (inflamatory statements according to you) since before he even took office. It's wrong for us to make those claims about Biden, but Ok for them to make the same claims about Trump. Political hypocrisy at it's best.

 

[Creekwood]

Uhhh.....we’ll the majority of voters which include 30% of Democrats disagree with your opinion.

Where is that statistic coming from? Please provide a link.

 

[Creekwood]

WTF are you talking about. They called Trump "illegitimate and incompetent" (inflamatory statements according to you) since before he even took office. It's wrong for us to make those claims about Biden, but Ok for them to make the same claims about Trump. Political hypocrisy at it's best.

This is WTF I was talking about. OllieC's post which was a direct quote. I think the source post is now deleted. But this is what he said, and this is what I said. The word Trump was not in his or my post. And if someone said at the end of January 2017 that Trump was destroying the economy, I would be saying EXACTLY the same thing.

 

[ttmott]

This is WTF I was talking about. OllieC's post which was a direct quote. I think the source post is now deleted. But this is what he said, and this is what I said. The word Trump was not in his or my post. And if someone said at the end of January 2017 that Trump was destroying the economy, I would be saying EXACTLY the same thing.

View attachment 99104

Are you a business owner in the US? LL or S corp?
So I am and have been since retirement eight years ago; I can talk with authority how the decisions on the federal level affect not only the small businesses but the employees as well as the businesses and residence in our area. This is about the working American and not the fringe that is on the government nipple. Just to qualify, our revenue four years ago was just shy of 700K and last year we eclipsed almost 8M. We are a small engineering consulting firm and directly feel the near term decisions at the federal level as we tend to lead much of the bulk labor industry; we are at the front end of major infrastructure projects. Creekwood, with all due respect, you are off the rails and use quips and media driven information to justify much of your argument which in part, actually a large part, is in error. I get it, you have a chicken bone stuck in your throat regarding the past president as many of us do.
So let's simply lay this out there that a conservative based government desires money (the economy) to stay in the hands of the private sector and allow private business and citizens to determine the economy whereas on the other hand, a liberal based government desires money to reside with the government and they determine how best to distribute and the terms on how that distributed money is allocated. For monies managed by the government the public sector realizes less than a 20% return due the the need to support a top heavy bureaucracy and the inefficiencies that brings. Do you remember the "Shovel Ready Projects" and federal funding to support? Over 80B vaporized with less than 10B in infrastructure improvements. The last four years were spent bringing US money that was pouring without good reason on foreign soil back home, trying to clean up the muck in our federal government, relieving the US of dependency on foreign energy, solidifying the US borders, and level loading the individual responsibility to fund the government with respect to SALT deductions. These all were economic decisions in contrast to what the media was portraying. The federal government realized that by lowering corporate tax rates more employment and investment is a result and in the end the federal government actually gained more revenue than the reduction took away. The liberal takeaway to include the media was to dance around the facts of the result and use the fringe as a basis of argument (Oh the poor ethnic trailer trash that contributes nothing to the collective, or the CEO's are getting filthy rich (they get rich regardless FYI)); it worked but it was wrong. So back to my business, four years ago we employed 8 and last year we employed 22 at the peak with individual compensation between 140K and 220K and we were able to support between 3 and 6 percent in raises. Our employees flow down their income to the corner gas station, Home Depot, the grocery store, and on and on; "trickle down economics"? Heck yes and it works for the American dream; purely Keynesian. This is due in principal to the additional revenue rolled by the private sector into our line of business. I don't believe we are an outlier, in fact, if you look at the standard deviation curve for small business economic performance we are just to the right of the peak of the bell curve (within 2 sigma).
With respect to the current administration - I'm worried. The Keystone pipeline was forced to terminate out of political spite as was the termination of the border security project and hardly to the benefit of the American worker, near term or long term. I'm worried that we will see overly aggressive environmental rulings which benefit not the environment but only those that drive the cause; this is a direct impact to private business. I am worried that there is no strife, no competition, no ability to test what the federal government intends to implement due to the three branches now being all of single political desire. I am old and my business is young and I desire to turn it over to one or more of the employees for them to succeed such as I have but the cards are stacking up against.

 

[Blueone]

WTF are you talking about. They called Trump "illegitimate and incompetent" (inflamatory statements according to you) since before he even took office. It's wrong for us to make those claims about Biden, but Ok for them to make the same claims about Trump. Political.

Biden is a xenophobe

View attachment 99060 What I have noticed is some people with lots of money can be liberals because it does don't really alter the way they live and it seems to feel good to them..

So true

 

[OllieC]

Where is that statistic coming from? Please provide a link.

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politi...e-the-election-was-stolen-from-trump-n1160882

https://headlines360.news/2020/11/2...stolen-from-trump-75-of-republicans-think-so/

https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3908110/posts

It’s was a Rasmussen poll - your favorite channels, CNN and MSNBC chose not to report on it.

 

[OllieC]

This is WTF I was talking about. OllieC's post which was a direct quote. I think the source post is now deleted. But this is what he said, and this is what I said. The word Trump was not in his thing.

View attachment 99104

Wtf ARE you talking about Creekwood? Methinks you don’t know.

 

[Pirate Lady]

Are you a business owner in the US? LL or S corp?
So I am and have been since retirement eight years ago; I can talk with authority how the decisions on the federal level affect not only the small businesses but the employees as well as the businesses and residence in our area. This is about the working American and not the fringe that is on the government nipple. Just to qualify, our revenue four years ago was just shy of 700K and last year we eclipsed almost 8M. We are a small engineering consulting firm and directly feel the near term decisions at the federal level as we tend to lead much of the bulk labor industry; we are at the front end of major infrastructure projects. Creekwood, with all due respect, you are off the rails and use quips and media driven information to justify much of your argument which in part, actually a large part, is in error. I get it, you have a chicken bone stuck in your throat regarding the past president as much of us do.
So let's simply lay this out there that a conservative based government desires money to stay in the hands of the private sector and allow them to make the decisions on the priority of the monies whereas on the other hand a liberal based government desires money to reside with the government and determine how best to distribute and determine the terms on how that distributed money is allocated. For monies managed by the government the public sector realizes less than a 20% return due the the need of the bureaucracy to be funded to allocate the monies and the inefficiencies that brings. Do you remember the "Shovel Ready Projects" and federal funding to support? Over 80B vaporized with less than 10B in infrastructure improvements. The last four years were spent bringing US money pouring without good reason on foreign soil back home, trying to clean up the muck in our federal government, relieving the US of dependency on foreign energy, solidifying the US borders, and level loading the individual responsibility to fund the government with respect to SALT deductions. These all were economic decisions in contrast to what the media was portraying. The federal government realized that by lowering corporate tax rates that more employment and investment is a result and in the end the federal government actually gained more revenue than the reduction took away. The liberal takeaway to include the media was to dance around the facts of the result and use the fringe as a basis of argument (Oh the poor ethnic trailer trash that contributes nothing to the collective, or the CEO's are getting filthy rich (they get rich regardless FYI)); it worked but it was wrong. So back to my business, four years ago we employed 8 and last year we employed 22 at the peak with individual compensation between 140K and 260K and we were able to support between 3 and 6 percent in raises. Our employees flow down their income to the corner gas station, Home Depot, the grocery store, and on and on; "trickle down economics"? Heck yes and it works for the American dream; purely Keynesian. This is due in principal to the additional revenue rolled by the private sector into our line of business. I don't believe we are an outlier, in fact, if you look at the standard deviation curve for small business we are just to the right of the peak of the bell curve (within 2 sigma).
With respect to the current administration - I'm worried. The Keystone pipeline was cancelled out of political spite as was the termination of the border security project and hardly to the benefit of the American worker, near term or long term. I'm worried that we will see overly aggressive environmental rulings which benefit not the environment but only those that drive the cause; this is a direct impact to private business. I am worried that there is no strife, no competition, no ability to test what the federal government intends to implement due to the three branches now being all of single political desire. I am old and my business is young and I desire to turn it over to one or more of the employees for them to succeed such as I have but the cards are stacking up against.

YOU win the GOLD STAR for the longest post on CSR ever! That no one will prolly ever read! CONGRATS!

 

[Creekwood]

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politi...e-the-election-was-stolen-from-trump-n1160882
https://headlines360.news/2020/11/2...stolen-from-trump-75-of-republicans-think-so/
https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3908110/posts
It’s was a Rasmussen poll - your favorite channels, CNN and MSNBC chose not to report on it.

I don't get my facts from CNN or MSNBC, but think what you want. I read Reuters for global news. And after reading the actual poll results, it was something I think Biden supporters would have pounced on. There is nothing in it that they would want to stay away from.

So I have followed the chain of links to find where that 30% comes from. Its in the 360News headline, but that refers to an unsupported "quote" in the article, NOT from the Rasmussen poll results. The article combines two things in one place, presumably so that readers will come to the same conclusion as you did. They put that 30% headline on top of references to the Rasumussen poll that did not all have that 30% number. Talk about misleading media BS.

But here are some of the highlights of that Rasmussen poll you reference (from November 19,2020 BTW):

• 61% of Likely U.S. Voters think Trump should concede the presidential election to Democrat Joe Biden. Just 33% disagree.
• Eighty-four percent (84%) of Democrats, 37% of Republicans and 59% of voters not affiliated with either major party believe Trump should concede. Fifty-seven percent (57%) of Republicans disagree.
• Forty-seven percent (47%) say it’s likely that Democrats stole votes or destroyed pro-Trump ballots in several states to ensure that Biden would win, but 50% disagree. This includes 36% who say it’s Very Likely and 41% who consider it Not At All Likely.
• Sixty-one percent (61%) of Republicans say it’s Very Likely the Democrats stole the election, but just as many Democrats (61%) say it’s Not At All Likely. Among unaffiliateds, 29% feel it’s a stolen election; 45% do not.
• Eighty percent (80%) of voters who do not believe Trump should concede yet think it’s Very Likely Democrats stole votes or destroyed pro-Trump ballots in several states to ensure that Biden would win. Fifteen percent (15%) of those who want Trump to concede agree.

The other article reposted under the headline refers to this, which is an unsupported Quote from Breitbart.

Here is the Breitbart piece:

Democrats believe the fraud in the counting of President Trump’s votes?
Breitbart editor John Nolte noted that a significant percentage of the same Democrats believed that there was fraud in the counting of President Trump’s votes.​

“Get this … 30 percent of Democrats—Democrats!—say it is very (20 percent) or somewhat (10 percent) likely the election was stolen from Trump,” Nolte wrote.

One of the surprising events during the allocation of votes in the count rooms that Nolte highlighted was the unexpected suspension of activity when President Trump was leading and the appearance during the night of so many votes in favor of Biden that he overcame it.

“Someone still needs to explain to me why four deep blue cities—Detroit, Philadelphia, Atlanta, and Milwaukee all of a sudden stopped counting when Trump was in the lead. Never in my life have I seen the counting stopped like that. And when the counting restarted, Will you look at all those Biden votes!” Nolte exclaimed.

He added, “Brother, that stinks to high heaven, and until I hear an explanation that makes sense—No, no… You know what, there is no explanation that would ever make sense of that.”​