Mike Rowe...total respect

[brewster16]

Did anyone catch the Fox interview with Mike Rowe this past weekend? He did an unbelievable job laying out the case for the complete stupidity of cancelling the XL Keystone Pipeline. Not just 11,000 lost jobs, but a million once you calculate the collateral damage and all the support industries. Mike Rowe has an honest and clear insight into the men and women of our workforce and the great potential this nation has (when not obscured by the political idiots that run it.)

 

[Great Lakes]

Did anyone catch the Fox interview with Mike Rowe this past weekend? He did an unbelievable job laying out the case for the complete stupidity of cancelling the XL Keystone Pipeline. Not just 11,000 lost jobs, but a million once you calculate the collateral damage and all the support industries. Mike Rowe has an honest and clear insight into the men and women of our workforce and the great potential this nation has (when not obscured by the political idiots that run it.)

He’s awesome. So easy to listen to and doesn’t get political about it. Just common sense

 

[Timeflys]

Here’s another potential job killer on both sides of the border....closing a pipeline that has been supplying a lifeline to Ohio, Michigan, Ontario, and Quebec.

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/n...-moves-shut-down-enbridges-line-5/6279755002/

“The pipeline presents an "unreasonable risk" to the Great Lakes in violation of the public trust doctrine, Whitmer said in a statement with the Michigan Department of Natural Resources.”
“Ohio Gov. Mike DeWine's office said the Republican governor's position on the closure of Line 5 remains unchanged from what was expressed in a July 2019 letter to Whitmer, in which he said the closure would cost more than 1,000 union jobs, create potential fuel cost spikes and lead to airline schedule disruption.Ohio's two refineries near the Michigan border supply fuel to Ohio and southeast Michigan, including the Detroit Metro Airport, DeWine said in the letter.
Michigan consumers could experience price hikes for fuel, natural gas and propane if Line 5 is shut down while increasing the risk of a spill on land, industry experts told The Detroit News last year.

Fuel industry officials and independent experts estimate closing the dual pipelines beneath the Straits of Mackinac would cut off not only thousands of gallons of propane a day in the Upper Peninsula but also light crude shipments to Detroit, Toledo and Sarnia, Ontario, refineries that convert the oil into gas, diesel and jet fuel.”

It also supplies refineries in across the border in Ontario.
“There just doesn’t seem to be any willingness on the part of the state to negotiate,” Comartin said.

Ontario has warned that shutting down Line 5 would cut off nearly half of the crude oil it needs to make petroleum products such as gasoline. All of the jet fuel used at Toronto’s Pearson International Airport is made in Sarnia, and distributed through Line 5. It also carries propane used to heat homes in northern Michigan and Ontario, and supports thousands of jobs on both sides of the border.”

 

[northern]

The present governments of Canada and the US are not pipeline friendly. The Canadian government stopped two pipeline projects in Canada. One on the west coat to an area that for 40 years shipped methanol and condensate through the same route as the crude tankers would follow. We have boated in this area. The channels are wide and currents minimal most of the time. The other pipeline went east and would have stopped the delivery of approximately 500K barrels of oil a day by tanker to Montreal from off shore. Both would have created work for both Canada and the US. The oil is still making its way to marked. The oil that can not move by pipeline is moving by rail. In Canada a few years ago a rail accident destroyed the central part of a town and killed many people.

 

[Golfman25]

I beging to hate the mthfks. I get it -- you'll have new jobs in the green energy business. Problem is dkhds those jobs don't exist and I am going to fkg starve between the time you eliminate my current job and the time the new job is created.

 

[OllieC]

...and lets say you've had a 30 year career in doing such work, now you're just going to drop that and start coding?

 

[ttmott]

Practicality and Politics do not share the same logic. The interesting thing is that almost 80 percent of the blue collar workforce including all of the union leadership essentially voted to terminate the project. Terminating the pipeline was a commitment the president elect made....

 

[Carpediem44DB]

What I don't understand is how easily politicians just cancel projects with out a consideration of the sheer waste of the money already invested in the project. SO what happens to all the land and pipe that has already been developed and built out? do we commit several billion dollars to remove it and restore the land to its original condition and make the land owners pay back the money they were given for the land and make them responsible for maintaining it? Or does the asset just sit there as a useless wasted blight? In CA the choo choo train from Sac to LA that started out as a fast train was partially complete when scrapped. Now there are abandoned overpass and bridge projects that litter the landscape between Sac and Fresno. Its so easy for these douche bags to start huge projects and then shutter them because they are spending other peoples money. OH and Mike is great! I don't know how he can stand living in the same neighborhood as Dianne Feinstein in Pacific Heights of San Francisco though.

 

[Woody]

Here’s another potential job killer on both sides of the border....closing a pipeline that has been supplying a lifeline to Ohio, Michigan, Ontario, and Quebec.

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/n...-moves-shut-down-enbridges-line-5/6279755002/

“The pipeline presents an "unreasonable risk" to the Great Lakes in violation of the public trust doctrine, Whitmer said in a statement with the Michigan Department of Natural Resources.”
“Ohio Gov. Mike DeWine's office said the Republican governor's position on the closure of Line 5 remains unchanged from what was expressed in a July 2019 letter to Whitmer, in which he said the closure would cost more than 1,000 union jobs, create potential fuel cost spikes and lead to airline schedule disruption.Ohio's two refineries near the Michigan border supply fuel to Ohio and southeast Michigan, including the Detroit Metro Airport, DeWine said in the letter.
Michigan consumers could experience price hikes for fuel, natural gas and propane if Line 5 is shut down while increasing the risk of a spill on land, industry experts told The Detroit News last year.

Fuel industry officials and independent experts estimate closing the dual pipelines beneath the Straits of Mackinac would cut off not only thousands of gallons of propane a day in the Upper Peninsula but also light crude shipments to Detroit, Toledo and Sarnia, Ontario, refineries that convert the oil into gas, diesel and jet fuel.”

It also supplies refineries in across the border in Ontario.
“There just doesn’t seem to be any willingness on the part of the state to negotiate,” Comartin said.

Ontario has warned that shutting down Line 5 would cut off nearly half of the crude oil it needs to make petroleum products such as gasoline. All of the jet fuel used at Toronto’s Pearson International Airport is made in Sarnia, and distributed through Line 5. It also carries propane used to heat homes in northern Michigan and Ontario, and supports thousands of jobs on both sides of the border.”

On and off for years the Straits of Mackinac pipeline has been a topic, age/condition being the main focus. I suspect there is years of history/more to this than we know culminating in a the Governor trying to shut it down.

I'm not against pipelines but I'd be pissed if 70 year old neglected pipe springs a leak in the Great Lakes.

 

[stephens013]

The pipe lines are usually a great way of getting liquid or gas products to market or to the next level of processing. Cheaper than rail or water and safer by far. The Keestone project is a perfect example of a very few bennifiting at the expense of an astounding number of people. Its polotics and media visual implications being put before the welfare of people and the country.
A perfect example of the saying "elections have consequences"

 

[CaptRonn]

A perfect example of the saying "elections have consequences"

Rigged elections have dire consequences.

 

[Timeflys]

“I'd be pissed if 70 year old neglected pipe springs a leak in the Great Lakes.”

Absolutley, me too! Maybe that’s why Enbridge has approval to build a replacement for the underwater route.

https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/enbridge-line-5-tunnel-approved-by-michigan-regulators-1.1556169

My pet peeve is that the elected types making these decisions do not live in the real world, they are not personally affected by their decisions....living in a bubble provided by the taxpayer.

 

[Little Ducky]

Gullible people believe anything they hear and then get tweaked about it without having all the facts. I love it.

 

[Blueone]

They are talking Billions to cancel border wall

 

[Fill Ess]

Now they can go back to transporting by rail, which is totally safe . I wonder who is heavily invested in rail?

 

[Chris-380]

They are talking Billions to cancel border wall

Maybe they shouldn’t of used backdoor funding for building the wall, or just had Mexico pay for it, lmao! They had majority’s in the house and senate the first 2 years of trump presidency... but they decided to reappropriate military money.... not the best long term plan imo

 

[OllieC]

What I don't understand is how easily politicians just cancel projects with out a consideration of the sheer waste of the money already invested in the project. SO what happens to all the land and pipe that has already been developed and built out? do we commit several billion dollars to remove it and restore the land to its original condition and make the land owners pay back the money they were given for the land and make them responsible for maintaining it? Or does the asset just sit there as a useless wasted blight? In CA the choo choo train from Sac to LA that started out as a fast train was partially complete when scrapped. Now there are abandoned overpass and bridge projects that litter the landscape between Sac and Fresno. Its so easy for these douche bags to start huge projects and then shutter them because they are spending other peoples money. OH and Mike is great! I don't know how he can stand living in the same neighborhood as Dianne Feinstein in Pacific Heights of San Francisco though.

As I've said before, it's real easy to shut down a business if you've never owned or operated one before.

 

[Golfman25]

Maybe they shouldn’t of used backdoor funding for building the wall, or just had Mexico pay for it, lmao! They had majority’s in the house and senate the first 2 years of trump presidency... but they decided to reappropriate military money.... not the best long term plan imo

Problem is "they" didn't like Trump or his policies either.

 

[OllieC]

Now they can go back to transporting by rail, which is totally safe . I wonder who is heavily invested in rail?

Indeed. The advantage of a pipeline is if you do spring a leak, you can usually shut it off, unlike a train that derails and burns for days. Each Dot-111 rail car carries 30,000 gallons of oil.

I remember in 2016 when Trump okayed the Keystone pipeline and a portion of it sprung a leak in SD. 210,000 gallons spilled, but they were able to clean it up. The media went apoplectic.

However, when this happened under Obama a few times, we heard crickets......

 

[stephens013]

Rigged elections have dire consequences.

Sad thing is the Republican Party was pretty much complicit in the election mess. The party didn't want to aline them selves with Trump and Trump wouldn't do the Patomic two step. Just a sad state of affairs