LED TV's for the Boat (vs. LCD TV's)

Discussion in 'Modifications/Customizations' started by Four Suns, Jan 15, 2010.

  1. Four Suns

    Four Suns Head Pot Stirrer TECHNICAL Contributor

    Oct 4, 2006
    Williamsburg, VA
    2003 480 DB
    Zodiac ProJet Dinghy
    Yamaha 110vx WaveRunner
    QSM-11 Diesels
    In the process of redoing the front stateroom's TV system, I have been looking at and researching various flat screen TV sets. You may have seen my posts complaining about the 15" high-def flatscreen TV market as the viewing angles on these things are horrible. If you go into Best Buy or any electronics store, they set the smaller TV's down low. If you actually raise the TV up to eye level, the picture fades out and if the TV is above you, the picture disappears. I've seen this on every smaller HD TV I've looked at. I won't go into that here but you can look at my older posts on it.

    I actually went and bought an 19" LED 720p TV this past weekend. Instead of having using compact flourescent lighting as the backlight, these new LED TV's use LED's for the backlight. The difference is they draw much less power, are much thinner, and are lighter than a comparable LCD TV. In home use, this may not matter as much but for a boat, I think it's a big selling point.

    I'm not real crazy about this brand but this is the unit I picked up from Best Buy:

    http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Insigni...HDTV/9460754.p?skuId=9460754&id=1218108383305

    This thing only draws 35 watts of power and has a 12v hookup on the back. There is a small power brick that can mount on the back to plug it into 120v. Here's a shot of the back of mine:

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    Close up of the specs... note the power consumption:

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    The nice thing is this thing has a screen that is only about 1/2" thick:

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    And the screen is 16x9 aspect ratio and has a thin bezel:

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    The down side to this unit is the speakers are in the back. I'm using an external sound system so it doesn't matter but if you were not, it might be an issue.

    The other thing I liked about the back is the mounting geometry. I can build a bracket to mount the bottom of the set to the wall as well as the standard middle location. That'll keep the thing from wobbling (which I really hate).

    Just an FYI... Don't know if anyone else has been following the LED vs. LCD push. Between the power draw reduction, lighter weight, thinner design and nice mounting options, this seems like a good TV for the boating market....
     
  2. Lazy Daze

    Lazy Daze Well-Known Member TECHNICAL Contributor GOLD Sponsor

    Apr 21, 2009
    PA
    Various
    Various
    I probably don't know anymore about it than you, but from my readings, I would pick an LED, as well. I was following your TV mounting thread - lot's of good info in there.

    Just wait until OLED becomes mainstream! :thumbsup::grin:
     
  3. RollerCoastr

    RollerCoastr Well-Known Member

    Nov 15, 2007
    Cedar Point, OH / Miami, FL / MacRay Harbor, MI
    1997 400DA
    340HP 7.4 Mercruiser Bluewaters
    Garmin 8212, 741 24HD, Intellian I2
    1999 280BR
    Twin 250HP Merc 350 Alpha Ones
    I'm sold on them. I installed a 32" Samsung LED TV in the salon this summer, and I couldn't be more impressed with the thing.

    We were considering an HD satellite upgrade to go along with the TV, ($$$) :smt013, but the SD picture looks so good on the LED that for now, I've shelved the idea.

    I just bought a blue ray player for it, but I haven't hooked it up yet. I'm eager to see how it performs.

    An oddity about it, which I attribute to signal processing, is that it produces a slight delay in pic & sound compared to the other TV's on the boat. I have make a point to make sure that I can only hear sound from 1 TV at a time or I'd go a little crazy.
     
  4. Greg

    Greg Active Member

    Mar 27, 2008
    North Jersey
    2003 480 Sedan Bridge
    QSM-11's
    Gary,

    Are you planning on using that TV for the front stateroom? I imagine you will have to modify the cabinet.

    I still have to upgrade the salon TV, and mount the TV in the starboard stateroom. One of these days ...
     
  5. HUMPH

    HUMPH Well-Known Member PLATINUM Sponsor

    Nov 4, 2009
    SF BAY AREA
    2003 410DA,
    2004 C14 Caribe
    CAT 3126TA's 350HP/
    50HP Honda
    LED is definately the way to go! Much thinner and lighter, a bit more expensive but more benefits than not.
     
  6. tobnpr

    tobnpr New Member

    Nov 12, 2006
    New Port Richey, Florida
    1988 300 DA
    tw 350's w/ Alphas
    You mentioned the problem with the viewing angles on the LCD tv's (particularly the cheaper ones) and I agree it's an issue. You never seem to able to mount one where it "should" go for optimal viewing.

    I wasn't aware that LED screens solved that problem. Please post the results when you have it mounted to let us know if it's a significant improvement over an LCD.

    Nice design being able to mount/secure the brick to the back of the set!
     
  7. 370Dancer

    370Dancer Member

    668
    Oct 2, 2006
    Florida - Alabama
    1998 370 Sundancer
    380hp MAG MPI V drives
    My take on LED backlighting is that is has lower power consumption than flourescent, much longer life, and has the ability to be individually turned on, off, and perhaps colored to match the pixel it's backlighting. That makes for a tremendous contrast improvement and richer colors, but I'm not sure about viewing angle improvements.
    A trip to manufacturer's site for specs should clear that up.
     
  8. Four Suns

    Four Suns Head Pot Stirrer TECHNICAL Contributor

    Oct 4, 2006
    Williamsburg, VA
    2003 480 DB
    Zodiac ProJet Dinghy
    Yamaha 110vx WaveRunner
    QSM-11 Diesels
    The viewing angle for vertical is still not good. I don't think the LED lighting has anything to do with the traditional LCD electronics in front of these things. The TV's are LCD's with LED backlights instead of LCD's with compact florescent backlights. Saying they are LED and not LCD is a little deceiving but... that's marketing.

    The vertical viewing angle is not good like I said... but the horizontal viewing angle is a lot better than the 15" 720p sets I looked at last year. These sets will have to be angled down a little on the mounts.
     
  9. Four Suns

    Four Suns Head Pot Stirrer TECHNICAL Contributor

    Oct 4, 2006
    Williamsburg, VA
    2003 480 DB
    Zodiac ProJet Dinghy
    Yamaha 110vx WaveRunner
    QSM-11 Diesels
    I don't believe these smaller LED sets offer much in terms of better contrast. I believe they are edge lit and don't have the "millions" LED array on the backlight. The letter box on a widescreen format is still a "dark gray" and not total black...

    The big advantage I see here is power, size and weight...

    The best LCD I have is that Panasonic in the salon... The HD picture and contrast on that thing is incredible... but it cost $1000 for a 29" screen...
     
    Last edited: Jan 15, 2010
  10. Turtlesboat

    Turtlesboat Minister of Media TECHNICAL Contributor GOLD Sponsor

    Feb 4, 2007
    New York City
    1996 450DA, TNT, Caribe dink w/15hp OB.
    3126 427HP TD transmissions
    but they are still not marine TV's. humidity, shock, mounting are still a concern. The mounting bracket on the back is my main concern. Will this TV still take 6' mess for hours and still not end up on the floor. 3 years in the humidity.. will the buttons still work, etc...
     
  11. rondds

    rondds Well-Known Member SILVER Sponsor

    Oct 3, 2006
    Jersey Shore
    2001 380DA
    Merc 8.1s (2008)...Hurth ZF 63 V-drives...WB 7.0 BCGD (2013), Garmin 8208 & 740 MFDs, GMR 24xHD dome
    You could probably replace this tv one time in the lifespan of owning the boat and still come out spending less spent than paying for one comparable "marine" tv. I replaced the stereo on my boat with a non-marine one in the spring of 2005 and it works as well as it did day 1. Never even had to replace the watch battery in the remote yet. The stereo I took out was the original Panasonic non-marine model that came with the boat - it worked but didn't have aux inputs or a remote so it had to go. Oh, and the OEM Panasonic VCR that came with the boat in 1989 was also working fine when I ditched it.
     
  12. Jackie J V

    Jackie J V New Member TECHNICAL Contributor GOLD Sponsor

    827
    Feb 5, 2009
    King City, ON
    560DB
    2 x Raymarine e125's
    Walker Bay Generations 360 Centre Console w. Yahama 60HP
    2 Seadoos
    CAT 3406e (C15's) @ 800HP
    Thanks for the posts on the TV upgrades. I'm planning to upgrade my Salon TV in the spring. Current TV is a 40" plasma which is a power hog. I was looking at the new Samsung LED's for the same power consumption benefit.
     
  13. earthmover17

    earthmover17 New Member

    706
    Jan 3, 2008
    land o lakes florida
    560 sedan bridge
    cat 3196
    Paul,
    I also am getting ready to redo my salon TV. I still have the original TV and the cabinet has not been modified. Do you have a picture of your setup? I was going to dismantle the whole cabinet and install a 42" flatscreen, slim DVD player and the Bose player. I just haven't figured out if I'm going to leave the sliding doors or not.

    Jack
     
  14. HUMPH

    HUMPH Well-Known Member PLATINUM Sponsor

    Nov 4, 2009
    SF BAY AREA
    2003 410DA,
    2004 C14 Caribe
    CAT 3126TA's 350HP/
    50HP Honda
    http://www.jensenmarinedirect.com/index.php?page=products&category=video

    Is it really worth using marine TV's? I was thinking that in the cockpit one of these would be the way to go. The TV that Gary bought is 12v as well so does it really matter if it is marine grade if used in the cockpit area? I know the boards are coated and they are supposedly "tougher" construction.
     
  15. tobnpr

    tobnpr New Member

    Nov 12, 2006
    New Port Richey, Florida
    1988 300 DA
    tw 350's w/ Alphas

    Biggest concern about any tv or video display outdoors is brightness or luminance (nits).

    Unless specifically designed for outdoor use, it's not going to be daylight-viewable.
     
  16. Jackie J V

    Jackie J V New Member TECHNICAL Contributor GOLD Sponsor

    827
    Feb 5, 2009
    King City, ON
    560DB
    2 x Raymarine e125's
    Walker Bay Generations 360 Centre Console w. Yahama 60HP
    2 Seadoos
    CAT 3406e (C15's) @ 800HP
    Jack,
    Here's a picture of my current set-up:

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    The TV dimensions are 46" on the diagonal, 40" wide and 24" tall.

    I'm sure the TV was brutally expensive when installed 8 or so years ago, however not so much today. I want to upgrade to a Samsung LED, principally due to the power draw diffferential. These old plasma TVs are brtual power pigs.

    The sliding doors close and everything has the look of a professional install. I am planning to replace the Sony combo TV/DVD with a new slimline PS3. This photo hides the previous version PS3 sitting on the top of the starboard couch.

    One source of frustration is trying to figure out how to get the TV off. :smt021 I've felt and hunted and pecked, however I can't find an easy access point, short of removing the couch portion near the TV.

    Paul
     
  17. Hampton

    Hampton Air Defense Dept TECHNICAL Contributor

    Nov 26, 2006
    Panama City, Fl
    2008 44 Sedan Bridge
    Cummins QSC-500's
    Straight Drives
    I have a Jensen JE1909 12V DC TV in the cockpit - it's marine. It is truly a beautiful tv, but not bright enough for the cockpit. It's mounted on the bar. When I walk by, I have to hunch over to view it.
     
  18. Skuza

    Skuza Active Member

    Nov 1, 2006
    Lake St Clair, MI
    400 Sundancer
    7.4L Horizons
    The low power of led is a plus. The 12v ability is a nice touch too. I put in basic flourecent lcd's last year and havn't had an issue with viewing angles. Lets face it our boats aren't that large. If placed properly you shouldn't be viewing it from any drastic angles.
    Even though we never boat in rough weather I too have wondered how the 4 bolt mount would hold up in heavy seas. I like to know that if and when it's encountered that the equipment can take it. But hell who am I kidding. We've all heard stories of the factory installed stuff falling off in heavy seas.
    For people in humid, saltwater environments I guess time will tell for longevity. Do they even make "marine version" tv's? Im sure all they do is encase the circuit boards in some type of sealer and charge you $200 more. Oh and a "M" in front of the model number to designate it marine....
     
  19. HUMPH

    HUMPH Well-Known Member PLATINUM Sponsor

    Nov 4, 2009
    SF BAY AREA
    2003 410DA,
    2004 C14 Caribe
    CAT 3126TA's 350HP/
    50HP Honda
    Reference my post above. It has a link to marine TV's by Jensen...
     
  20. carterchapman

    carterchapman Well-Known Member TECHNICAL Contributor SILVER Sponsor

    Mar 25, 2008
    Lake Chickamauga/Marietta, GA/Ft. Myers, FL
    2006 Sea Ray 58 DB
    MAN CRM V8-900s, Twin Disc Drives; Onan 21.5 Generator
    Paul,

    I think Gary may have mentioned it in another post - watch the heat output of the PS3's. After Gary mentioned it, I checked the one here at home - you'll need to have plenty of ventilation for it.
     

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