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OllieC said:
What’s the 1st Amendment?
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Golfman25 said:
Why on earth would somebody get a doctorate in English? There is no real world value there unless you wanted to be a college professor. And 350 applicants for one job is nothing. When I graduated, there where 1000s of applicants for a single job. Finding that first job is work and you have to be persistent. Nothing is just given to you just because.
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The gentleman in question with an English degree, a doctorate is in fact seeking a college professor's position. Thousands of people for one job really? Unless you're an NFL player I don't believe that.
 
Okay fellas it's been fun but, now it's time to go have a wonderful day! Fairwinds and stay safe!
 
Someone who intends to teach college level English needs a doctorate degree.
 
And just like that, she was still here....
 
Mary Moore said:
The gentleman in question with an English degree, a doctorate is in fact seeking a college professor's position. Thousands of people for one job really? Unless you're an NFL player I don't believe that.
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Well a few years after the 1987 market crash, that was the environment in finance.

And how many people should be applying for that cushy college prof position?
 
Don't usually get into these conversations - but I just have to call BS on the whole college tuition and the government paying off student loans. I don't think they should do it - you knew what you were getting when you took those loans out, sorry buttercup you have to figure out how to pay them back. To the father of a daughter who graduated from a private (expensive) university for undergrad and is now at state school getting her masters, it incenses me that the loans that both she and I worked hard to pay back may be just given to others. We (because I co-signed her loans) knew what we were getting into, she has been able to get jobs (in her field), although not always easy, to help pay for these loans and living expense. We also passed on other things we wanted (boat's, cars, etc) because her education was important - to both of us. There is a way, you just have to work for it. I also saved - there are these little things called Education IRA's that you start putting money in when the child is born, you can't wait until the year you start college to figure out how to pay for it. And as far as college tuition, yeah it's expensive and the private schools are going off the chart - her undegraded tuition was in the $45k/yr range (tuition only, not room board or any extras), state school is $20k/yr. But really, do we think college should be free? Go look at a college campus - even a state school or a community college - it is expensive to build and run what is basically a small city. 100's and many times 1,000's of employees that all have to be paid.

Yeah the world has changed a lot over the last 50yrs, but fundamentally it's the same - there still "ain't no such thing as a free lunch" just what's being served is different. Those who educate themselves and work hard still usually have more than those who don't. Sometimes there is luck and good breaks, but for most there is not really a shortcut. I think that is called free enterprise and democracy.
 
This is such bullshit. My daughter is in college RIGHT NOW. She's working to pay for it like I had to. Get a grip. Hard work pays off. I earned mine, you didn't, and don't deserve what I sacrificed for to earn. So work at Walmart. They promote well just like a starting McD's job does. I have a friend who started at McD at 16 and now owns multiple franchises. Nobody gave him anything but a chance.
 
Mary Moore said:
Someone who intends to teach college level English needs a doctorate degree.
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Actually nothing wrong with an English degree in my opinion - my daughter majored in English and Biology. While the biology degree has been the basis for her jobs in medicine and now her masters (MPH) work, the English degree I think helped a lot in getting some of her jobs. Her work with clinical trials required a lot of writing - science majors alone are not always the best communicators.

I would think getting a professor level job at a university is not as easy - especially considering they are usually lifetime positions once they reach tenure. But would think they could find something in the field. Sometimes we have to focus on getting on the team and not as much the position.
 
My son is 27 and daughter is 26. Both have B.S. degrees and large student loan debt. Both are making over 6 figures and pay their loans each month. Does it suck? Yep. But if they didn't have those degrees they'd likely be making about $5000/month less than they do now so making that $500/month loan payment is worth it.
 
Mary Moore said:
The AVERAGE cost of a state school is between 25k and 35k per YEAR. The cost of college has tripled in the last 20 years. Many of the young people that are screaming for a minimum wage of $15 an hour are in fact college educated young people. If you can't get a job and you're carrying almost 100k in debt you can't survive. More needs to be done to educate young people about the benefits of a community college for the first two years.
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Sorry but asking the American People (not the government because the gov't has no money) to pay off those loans would be a crime. If anyone should be taxed to pay off all of those loans it's the College's and Universities that benefited from them.
 
Why draw the line at post secondary education? If you truly believe in what you say about no handouts, then there should be no free grade school or high school. Let the poor saps get a damn job and pay for their education. We are sending work to overseas sweat shops when we have a labor force right here in America. If their parents can't afford to pay for an education, they can farm like they did in the good old days.

Sarcasm aside, my point is that you are drawing an arbitrary line in the sand at high school. For those that think there is no reason to pay for education, please enlighten me on why your kids should get to go to high school on the backs of others? I worked hard to send my kids to private school. Just work harder you lazy liberal RINOs. (I guess I didn't put sarcasm aside, LOL)
 
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Creekwood said:
Why draw the line at post secondary education? If you truly believe in what you say about no handouts, then there should be no free grade school or high school. Let the poor saps get a damn job and pay for their education. We are sending work to overseas sweat shops when we have a labor force right here in America. If their parents can't afford to pay for an education, they can farm like they did in the good old days.

Sarcasm aside, my point is that you are drawing an arbitrary line in the sand at high school. For those that think there is no reason to pay for education, please enlighten me on why your kids should get to go to high school on the backs of others? I worked hard to send my kids to private school. Just work harder you lazy liberal RHINOs. (I guess I didn't put sarcasm aside, LOL)
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I understand your point...and I tend to agree. Why should we all pay for a few of our neighbors kids High school or elementary education?... It’s like a toll road...if you use it pay for it
So for the people that can’t afford it....you could give them an interest free loan that they can pay back over 20/30 years.... you want seven kids why should you pay the same as a family with one kid
 
Blueone said:
I understand your point...and I tend to agree. Why should we all pay for a few of our neighbors kids High school or elementary education?... It’s like a toll road...if you use it pay for it
So for the people that can’t afford it....you could give them an interest free loan that they can pay back over 20/30 years.... you want seven kids why should you pay the same as a family with one kid
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My point was sarcastic.

I think there is a line where, even a republic conservative society believes that the country is better off as a whole if there is a basic level of education so that if the person finishes that level of education, they can live a reasonable lower class, but sustainable life. And if they are a bit gifted with non-academic intelligence and drive they can leverage that basic education and the opportunity of a free country and thrive and achieve financial and career success.

Most places have drawn that line in the sand at the end of high school. But that line was drawn long long ago, when if you got through high school you could get a pretty good blue collar job. And even if you didn't, you could still get a decent job at the steel mill, or the appliance plant. Those jobs are far fewer and require higher education. But that line in the sand is still there at high school. Granted, the skills kids learn in high school are more aligned with the current world, but a high school education is not the same ticket that it was 30 years ago.

I don't think post secondary education should be free though. But I am OK with a certain level of government funded post secondary education. That is what we have in Canada for the most part. We also have a pretty accommodating student loan program that is run by Provincial governments. So its not a free ride, but its a discounted ride, with some time to pay it off.
 
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Creekwood said:
My point was sarcastic.

I think there is a line where, even a republic conservative society believes that the country is better off as a whole if there is a basic level of education so that if the person finishes that level of education, they can live a reasonable lower class, but sustainable life. And if they are a bit gifted with non-academic intelligence and drive they can leverage that basic education and the opportunity of a free country and thrive and achieve financial and career success.

Most places have drawn that line in the sand at the end of high school. But that line was drawn long long ago, when if you got through high school you could get a pretty good blue collar job. And even if you didn't, you could still get a decent job at the steel mill, or the appliance plant. Those jobs are far fewer and require higher education. But that line in the sand is still there at high school. Granted, the skills kids learn in high school are more aligned with the current world, but a high school education is not the same ticket that it was 30 years ago.

I don't think post secondary education should be free though. But I am OK with a certain level of government funded post secondary education. That is what we have in Canada for the most part. We also have a pretty accommodating student loan program that is run by Provincial governments. So its not a free ride, but its a discounted ride, with some time to pay it off.
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Sure when the line was set the high schools put you on either the college track or the blue collar track. You could graduate and go work in manufacturing or the trades and make decent money and live a middle class life. For some reason, the powers that be decided to change things and outsourced many of those good paying jobs. The writing being on the wall, parents pushed kids into college and high schools obliged. Fueled by student loans and the like, college costs soared and in many cases the value of the degree went down.

Fast forward to today, many manufacturing companies will pay for HS grads to go thru apprenticeships. Yet finding interested kids is all but impossible. I can set kids up to earn while they learn, "graduate" with zero debt, and have future earning potential into the low six figures. Hard to find takers.
 
From Arizona.
Today at Home Depot:

2x6x104 5/8= 14.85 prime KD
2x4x8 = 6.75 std/btr prime grn doug
2x6x92 3/8= 10.57 prime KD whitewood
2x8x16= 26.34 #2 prime doug fir
2x10x16= 34.12 #2 prime douglas fir
23/32 x4x8 osb = 49.28
23/32 x4x8 plywood= 56.38
19/32 x4x8 plywood = 61.27
3/4 x4x8 plywood = 66.48 birch
1/2 x4x8 drywall= 11.57
1x4x12 = 10.18
1x4x10 = 8.40

price all in US dollars
 
We have to replace 11 spruce trees we took down last fall from some Indiana fungus. They were 10 years old so things look pretty baron around the house. We got quotes in last couple of weeks from people with trees...a lot of wholesalers/nurseries don’t have trees. A 5’ to 6’ planted is going for $600.... $6,600 :eek::eek: ..... I said no way ...a year ago those trees were $250ea easy, when ordering 11. I told my wife... that’s like putting 11 Yeti coolers on the front lawn.... someone is going to steal the trees the day after we plant them.
So we ordered 11 two footers at $34ea.... I have to plant them and the neighbors can chuckle as they look at them all summer long ...I am taking the $6k and going boating :)
 
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BillK2632 said:
Actually nothing wrong with an English degree in my opinion - my daughter majored in English and Biology. While the biology degree has been the basis for her jobs in medicine and now her masters (MPH) work, the English degree I think helped a lot in getting some of her jobs. Her work with clinical trials required a lot of writing - science majors alone are not always the best communicators.

I would think getting a professor level job at a university is not as easy - especially considering they are usually lifetime positions once they reach tenure. But would think they could find something in the field. Sometimes we have to focus on getting on the team and not as much the position.
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Another issue that young people looking to teach at the college level is many universities now are not offering a full-time tenure position they are offering part-time positions so they don't have to pay any benefits so tenure is a thing of the past at many schools. Things have changed a lot in the past 20 years.
 
Mary Moore said:
Another issue that young people looking to teach at the college level is many universities now are not offering a full-time tenure position they are offering part-time positions so they don't have to pay any benefits so tenure is a thing of the past at many schools. Things have changed a lot in the past 20 years.
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