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mratlndmrk said:
Sorry but asking the American People (not the government because the gov't has no money) to pay off those loans would be a crime. If anyone should be taxed to pay off all of those loans it's the College's and Universities that benefited from them.
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I don't think my post included a sentence that said we should pay off students college debt. I do believe though we need to give $15 an hour minimum wage so those young people that are carrying the debt they're carrying have some money to pay off their loans.
 
I thought you left?
Just like a troll. Say you're leaving, then don't.
 
Mary Moore said:
Oh little men are you really that threatened by a woman with a brain? Hell no I'm not a troll. I'm a woman with my eyes wide open to what's going on in this country. I worked low-paying jobs too but not for my life. Young people today are getting screwed they're carrying huge amounts of tuition debt and they're working minimum wage jobs. Try educating yourself on the current economic catastrophe for young people today not the good old days when you were young.
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The young are not getting screwed. They are getting the chance to struggle a bit and appreciate the rewards that hard work gets them. Eventually the ones that strive for a better life here in the land of milk and honey will find their way. Folks like you want to take my hard earned and appreciated money from me and simply give it to them. That robs them of the opportunity to do something of substance. Perhaps you feel guilty for having the blessings of good fortune? I am not saying that the world is a fair place and every one has the same opportunity but there is a reason millions of people find themselves better off over the years than where thet started out. Perhaps the students with huge debt should have figured out a way to get their education with out the debt. perhaps two years of virtually free JC for starters.
 
Carpediem44DB said:
The young are not getting screwed. They are getting the chance to struggle a bit and appreciate the rewards that hard work gets them. Eventually the ones that strive for a better life here in the land of milk and honey will find their way. Folks like you want to take my hard earned and appreciated money from me and simply give it to them. That robs them of the opportunity to do something of substance. Perhaps you feel guilty for having the blessings of good fortune? I am not saying that the world is a fair place and every one has the same opportunity but there is a reason millions of people find themselves better off over the years than where thet started out. Perhaps the students with huge debt should have figured out a way to get their education with out the debt. perhaps two years of virtually free JC for starters.
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No, I worked my way through college no one gave me a penny first of all. Secondly, I do not feel guilty about what I have because I worked very hard for it. But it doesn't take a rocket scientist to open your eyes and see what's going on in the real world not the one you're floating around in. These young people are working hard but,unfortunately because big business won't even give a living wage they continue to struggle. Keep floating around in your "land of milk and honey"but for millions of young people it's a daily struggle.
 
Mary Moore said:
No, I worked my way through college no one gave me a penny first of all. Secondly, I do not feel guilty about what I have because I worked very hard for it. But it doesn't take a rocket scientist to open your eyes and see what's going on in the real world not the one you're floating around in. These young people are working hard but,unfortunately because big business won't even give a living wage they continue to struggle. Keep floating around in your "land of milk and honey"but for millions of young people it's a daily struggle.
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You have any stats to back up your claim all these young kids with college degrees are making min wage?
 
This min wage discussion is bullshit...if you are working for $7.25 there is something wrong with you. The car wash up the road from me starts you at $11.25... McDonalds the same. Dry cleaner is $10.00. Walmart is $11. Local economy and competition sets the wage. Dictating a wage above the average in your area hurts everyone simple as that
 
I have two nieces in their 40ies. Both have university education and they paid by borrowed to get it. Both have art degrees. Both have low paying jobs not related to their degrees. Universities turn out millions of students that can no find work and are in debt. If Universities were required to have an 80% or what ever rate of employment for graduates in their field or refund their tuitions we would probably see more happy and employed graduates. We recently finished renovating out entire house. We got to know the contactor well. He is a carpenter by trade and has several projects now. He has several crews and the minimum wage he pays is $25. Trade graduates have no student debt and are employed. Every try to find a plumber on short notice.
 
northern said:
I have two nieces in their 40ies. Both have university education and they paid by borrowed to get it. Both have art degrees. Both have low paying jobs not related to their degrees. Universities turn out millions of students that can no find work and are in debt. If Universities were required to have an 80% or what ever rate of employment for graduates in their field or refund their tuitions we would probably see more happy and employed graduates. We recently finished renovating out entire house. We got to know the contactor well. He is a carpenter by trade and has several projects now. He has several crews and the minimum wage he pays is $25. Trade graduates have no student debt and are employed. Every try to find a plumber on short notice.
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That's not entirely fair as what "field" do history majors work in? Some of it is on the kid and/or his parents. I told my kid he needed to weight the cost vs. benefit of the various schools. So if he decided to go into teaching, for example, he'd go in state at ISU. He decided to do business and went out of state at a top school.

For kicks, I looked up some info on some of my home state schools. Here what it is:

Illinois state U -- your average state school, accept just about everyone, lower cost than U of I. They state an average salary of $47,000.

Southern IL -- your average state directional school. School of business reports placement rates above 90% and salaries ranging from $45,000-$60,000 depending on major.

Hardly min. wage. And the in state cost of attendance is pretty low.
 
My son and DIL both attended Missouri State University (tuition and room and board averaged less than $10K/year) and received CIS (computer information systems) degrees. Both write and troubleshoot code for a living. Both make 6 figures and their skills are widely in demand. They are only 26. Degrees matter. My kids are 24 and 26. My parents worked their asses off to pay for my college and my wife and I did the same. But we made it clear that a liberal arts degree was not acceptable and we wouldn't pay for that.

A friend's daughter graduated with a mechanical engineering degree a couple years ago. She had 6 job offers before she graduated. None under $100K. Maybe my kids and my friend's kids are unusually gifted. YMMV.
 
highslice said:
My son and DIL both attended Missouri State University (tuition and room and board averaged less than $10K/year) and received CIS (computer information systems) degrees. Both write and troubleshoot code for a living. Both make 6 figures and their skills are widely in demand. They are only 26. Degrees matter. My kids are 24 and 26. My parents worked their asses off to pay for my college and my wife and I did the same. But we made it clear that a liberal arts degree was not acceptable and we wouldn't pay for that.

A friend's daughter graduated with a mechanical engineering degree a couple years ago. She had 6 job offers before she graduated. None under $100K. Maybe my kids and my friend's kids are unusually gifted. YMMV.
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Yeah, degrees matter. My kid got an internship offer as a Info sys biz major. His buddy go the same internship, but as a public affairs major. My kid is getting $2/hr more. Slowly but surly he's figuring it out. :)
 
highslice said:
My son and DIL both attended Missouri State University (tuition and room and board averaged less than $10K/year) and received CIS (computer information systems) degrees. Both write and troubleshoot code for a living. Both make 6 figures and their skills are widely in demand. They are only 26. Degrees matter. My kids are 24 and 26. My parents worked their asses off to pay for my college and my wife and I did the same. But we made it clear that a liberal arts degree was not acceptable and we wouldn't pay for that.

A friend's daughter graduated with a mechanical engineering degree a couple years ago. She had 6 job offers before she graduated. None under $100K. Maybe my kids and my friend's kids are unusually gifted. YMMV.
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A lot of folks say degrees don't matter anymore. They're fools and probably don't have a degree. My 20 yo son is going to Univ. of Mich. ME major. He's wicked smaht... I went back and got my degree when I left active duty. It was the best thing I ever did for my career. It's not the piece of paper of course, but what it represents. It doesn't matter what career you go into. Degrees help.
I will say that the last 10 years or so have produced way too many "on-line" degrees. Just look at all the commercials... I personally don't think those should be weighed equally to a degree earned by a person who went to class. I know that's not fair to the kids that don't have a choice right now. They're getting screwed royally and we're all going to pay for it.
 
Golfman25 said:
That's not entirely fair as what "field" do history majors work in? Some of it is on the kid and/or his parents. I told my kid he needed to weight the cost vs. benefit of the various schools. So if he decided to go into teaching, for example, he'd go in state at ISU. He decided to do business and went out of state at a top school.

For kicks, I looked up some info on some of my home state schools. Here what it is:

Illinois state U -- your average state school, accept just about everyone, lower cost than U of I. They state an average salary of $47,000.

Southern IL -- your average state directional school. School of business reports placement rates above 90% and salaries ranging from $45,000-$60,000 depending on major.

Hardly min. wage. And the in state cost of attendance is pretty low.
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Exactly.....I told my kids when they were looking at schools that if they wanted majors that actually led to a job then I would foot most of the bill. If they wanted to be art history majors or the like then they could go to state school and I'd still pay. They all chose the professional route and two are CPA's and one is an engineer and are very happy in the employment. I consider myself lucky and it was well worth the investment.
 
Blueone said:
This min wage discussion is bullshit...if you are working for $7.25 there is something wrong with you. The car wash up the road from me starts you at $11.25... McDonalds the same. Dry cleaner is $10.00. Walmart is $11. Local economy and competition sets the wage. Dictating a wage above the average in your area hurts everyone simple as that
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True. Around me the average entry level wage for a service worker is above $13/hour. Make the debate mostly moot.

Another friend of mine has a son who decided 2 years in that college and office work weren't for him. He went to a technical school and learned to weld as well as operate CNC equipment. He now makes a solid living and has his own house at 24.

The trades are really a viable option. When I was in college I learned to weld by necessity. I operated heavy equipment and the only one in the company who could weld was an owner. He wasn't around much. So if something broke on a job site and I wanted to be able to keep working I had to fix it myself. Amazing how fast you can get good at something when getting paid depends on that skill. Long story short, had I not caught on with McDonald Douglas after I graduated college (they very kindly paid for my MBA, but didn't pay business majors much), I would probably be welding for a living today. I doubt I could lay down a roll of dimes anymore.
 
highslice said:
True. Around me the average entry level wage for a service worker is above $13/hour. Make the debate mostly moot.

Another friend of mine has a son who decided 2 years in that college and office work weren't for him. He went to a technical school and learned to weld as well as operate CNC equipment. He now makes a solid living and has his own house at 24.

The trades are really a viable option. When I was in college I learned to weld by necessity. I operated heavy equipment and the only one in the company who could weld was an owner. He wasn't around much. So if something broke on a job site and I wanted to be able to keep working I had to fix it myself. Amazing how fast you can get good at something when getting paid depends on that skill. Long story short, had I not caught on with McDonald Douglas after I graduated college (they very kindly paid for my MBA, but didn't pay business majors much), I would probably be welding for a living today. I doubt I could lay down a roll of dimes anymore.
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Sure you could. First it would be bird $hit, then sloppy rivers then the dimes would come back to you like riding a bike.
 
I work in the trades, been an electrician for 35 years. Went to trade school as I worked as an apprentice, and paid tuition and books as I went. They started giving tuition incentives based on days missed from school, and grades.
Once they started that, tuition was greatly reduced, for me anyways.
I'm 57 1/2, and plan on retiring in two years.
 
Mary Moore said:
The AVERAGE cost of a state school is between 25k and 35k per YEAR. The cost of college has tripled in the last 20 years. Many of the young people that are screaming for a minimum wage of $15 an hour are in fact college educated young people. If you can't get a job and you're carrying almost 100k in debt you can't survive. More needs to be done to educate young people about the benefits of a community college for the first two years.
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More needs to be done to educate young people about the benefits of personal responsibility, hard work, and sound judgement. Everything you said about young people not being able to survive in this economy is absolutely true. We just happen to disagree on the cause.
 
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