Job offer, "chasing" money, career changes and the like

mrsrobinson said:
I'm going to stay put, I've got it pretty good where I am and making extra money isn't a priority for me. I had to go through this process to figure it all out.

I appreciate all the comments, opinions and feedback, hopefully somebody else will find this thread helpful now or in the future.
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Atta boy!
 
mrsrobinson said:
Thinking out loud...

So, some updates. I talked to my manager last week. He wanted some time to see what he could do for me. I like him, a lot, good guy, said a lot of nice things and I believe him. We are a similar age with a similar career and had more a of a "two guys at the bar over a beer" talk then an employee/employer manager/employee talk. Having had a couple of not so good managers (micromanagers) in the past I appreciate and value having a good one. We talked again today, he is not able to do anything for me as much as he wants to. "Anything" means money. He's a transparent kind of guy and I could hear the frustration and disappointment in his voice. He gave me some HR talk, talking points he was given in my opinion.

I have been going back and forth. Quality of life is what keeps coming up for me. I know what I have here, work life balance. I know the company culture and how to navigate it, as @b_arrington said. That comment stuck with me. I just bought this boat and want to spend a lot of time on it this spring/summer/fall and not have a new job get in the way. Sounds ridiculous I know, it's what I keep thinking about though. I literally talk to my current manager for 10 minutes every 2 weeks, an occasional email or two, otherwise I pretty much do whatever I want to do. He puts a lot of trust/confidence in me, which I like. When I asked the hiring manager about already planned PTO/vacations, time off, flexibility to leave early/work late and the like his answer was not "No problem", which is what mine would be and has been; it was "we will see what we can do, PTO is accrued" so I will be starting at zero. I have 6+ weeks where I am.

The work will be pretty much the same. It will be exciting at first as I learn a new product, new technologies, build out a new team, etc. Been there before.

The financials at my current employer are still a concern. I brought this up and did not hear anything in response that has me thinking things will get better. Our CIO talked about this as well in a recent meeting. I heard mostly "C Level" fluffy talk as I like to call it.

If it was winter and/or I did not just purchase the boat, I think I would be looking at this differently. I am having a difficult time with that though, like I am lazy, not motivated, making a mistake if I do not go, etc.

After crunching all of the numbers, looking at the next 2 years, it's about a 12% increase, not the 20% I originally quickly calculated.

Anyway, really just thinking out loud.
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Is your current employer a publicly traded company? If yes this may be the reason they can’t say much as it could be used as inside information depending on what you know if the company were for ale or ???
 
NorCalRobert said:
Is your current employer a publicly traded company? If yes this may be the reason they can’t say much as it could be used as inside information depending on what you know if the company were for ale or ???
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No, we are not. New gig company is. We have some "financial headwinds" at my current company, C-level fluff talk, but I am not going to run/leave. Bonuses may not be great for a while, small merit increases, but overall I am content here.

I had another chat with my manager yesterday. I asked to continue 100% remote, to not return to office; he agreed with the exception of a couple of recurring meetings he'd like me in the office for. I also told him I want to work with the newer technologies, he agreed. These were more important to me than more money. Took me going thru this process to realize that.
 
Blueone said:
5 pages and 91 posts to end up where we started….all good….even though I got called a dick because you thought about changing jobs :)
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I'm a bit disappointed. I was anticipating a Part 2 where that dying ember is fanned, soon a raging fire spreading throughout the company...emotion, feelings, and creativity finally in a world of order and sequence. MrsRobinson would see promotions, company cars, and stock options.

But instead I fear Part 2 will begin with 'Aw shit, they replaced me'.
 
I look at these conversations/moments a little differently as a people/hiring manager myself.

I have had employees resign and after learning about the offer/employer I not only supported them, I congratulated them. It was the right move for them based on what I knew about them and what I could/could not do for them. I've had some resign where I thought "good riddance". In some of those cases I was managing them off of the team anyway. And I have had a couple resign and I was able to talk them off the ledge. For example, I recently promoted someone who was ready for, and deserved the promotion, but had been ignored by lazy managers before me. She was a "flight risk" so I could care of her. Turns out the "new title" was more important to her than the money.

In this high demand market for good IT talent I think employers should do what they can to retain good talent.

So yeah, I took a risk, and perhaps this could hurt me in the future with my company, but I am ok with it.
 
FYI only, @Blueone you do not have to waste time reading this...

I talked to a recruiter and the CEO of an IT consulting company while drinking a beer after tennis. The recruiter shared a story about a local fortune 500 company who has lost 37% of their employees because they require them to be in the office 5 days a week now. The CEO shared a similar story about his company, where they are finding close to impossible to hire good talent. They referred to it as Employee-Employer Relationship Equity with everyone demanding to work from home now. There is no equity anymore, those days are gone and the companies failing to let folks who can WFH stay home are not only losing good talent, what's left on the market to backfill are the bottom feeder.

I have had a job req open for 2 weeks, not 1 applicant. 2+ years ago I would have had 25 by now.
 
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Hey, that's an interesting conversation you had with the recruiter and CEO! It's true that the dynamics of the Employee-Employer Relationship have changed a lot, especially with the demand for remote work. Companies not adapting to this shift are indeed losing out on good talent. By the way, I'm curious to know how things turned out for you on that front. Speaking of career changes, I've been contemplating switching paths myself. While browsing online, I stumbled upon some phlebotomy statistics (https://phlebotomynearyou.com/statistics/). It's fascinating to see the demand and growth in that field. Just something that caught my attention. Anyways, nice to meet you all! I'm new here on the forum.
 
I was laid of from a job last September after 20+ years with the company. Got a good package. They were doing 2 days in office, 3 days remote but you HAD to be in the office on Long Island. It worked fine, but perhaps not as flexible for attracting talent.

After finishing a master's program in December, I'm now closing in on 2 months at a new job. This one is 100% remote. I can literally work from anywhere I have an internet connection. Everyone on my team is remote; I've yet to meet my boss in person. There is company space 25 minutes from me if I need it, and the regional office is a few hours drive in NJ. I may have to go there for big meetings from time to time. The 100% remote is a bit of a change, but I like it so far.
 
b_arrington said:
I was laid of from a job last September after 20+ years with the company. Got a good package. They were doing 2 days in office, 3 days remote but you HAD to be in the office on Long Island. It worked fine, but perhaps not as flexible for attracting talent.

After finishing a master's program in December, I'm now closing in on 2 months at a new job. This one is 100% remote. I can literally work from anywhere I have an internet connection. Everyone on my team is remote; I've yet to meet my boss in person. There is company space 25 minutes from me if I need it, and the regional office is a few hours drive in NJ. I may have to go there for big meetings from time to time. The 100% remote is a bit of a change, but I like it so far.
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I couldn’t do it and not sure how companies do it….. I have one remote employee and he can’t really get a feel of what’s going on. I just couldn’t imagine having a team offsite
 
Blueone said:
I couldn’t do it and not sure how companies do it….. I have one remote employee and he can’t really get a feel of what’s going on. I just couldn’t imagine having a team offsite
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That is a little harder. That's why my former company did 2 in 3 out. It was to create a sense of place and allow for those random collisions, like in the cafeteria. In-office days were reserved for smaller meetings the were encouraged to be in-person.

The new company has embraced the remote spirit and works very hard to keep people engaged an involved. I think it helps a lot if people are all experiencing the same work style; having one person remote sets up a very different dynamic that's unique to that employee. I can see how they might struggle.
 
There are times when it can be a challenge, especially with communication, but overall I really like remote. Data supports my teams are more productive. They have the flexibility to work when they want to, as long as they are available during what I call core hours.

I too have never met my boss, who is the owner of the company, in fact I've never met anyone I work with, including all of my direct reports. Except for one, who I hired since I've been here, who I worked with locally in the past. Two others I've hired I've never met.
 
mrsrobinson said:
There are times when it can be a challenge, especially with communication, but overall I really like remote. Data supports my teams are more productive. They have the flexibility to work when they want to, as long as they are available during what I call core hours.

I too have never met my boss, who is the owner of the company, in fact I've never met anyone I work with, including all of my direct reports. Except for one, who I hired since I've been here, who I worked with locally in the past. Two others I've hired I've never met.
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Crazy….. this never meeting your boss stuff…. I can’t comprehend that. My machines can’t run themselves so I need those guys and support needs to be there when stuff needs changing. How do you remote guys load a trailer to pay for your sitting at home ass?
 
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