honda generator

I putting one of these in the cabin. :grin:. We get to eat & stay warm at the same time. :thumbsup:

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yes it is, I'm running a non grounded device on the boat (a drill) so the generator does not need to be grounded itself. But if I were to tie the gen into the electrical system of the boat, then I would have to run a ground wire to a rod driven 8' into the ground.
 
Here's the scary part, The ground terminal is usually on the bottom or the front of the gen and is connected to the frame of the gen and to the ground terminals of the outlets. If the gen isn't grounded and there's a leak in an appliance or whatever on the boat, the GFI circuit will not trip because it doesn't have a path to ground. So you waddle out onto your wet swimplatform or grab the wrong part of the gen say while holding a rail... ZAP, you've got 120 volts and 20 amps running through you or a family member. That'll wake you up. Doesn't have to be just grabbing the gen either, could be anything in the cabin. All you have to do is touch two wrong things at the same time and you've got a problem.
 
I have seen 40' boats this summer running a portable genny, but they had it on the dock, down wind from the boat and 4 padlocks on it.:smt021

To be fair and balanced:

I have an 86 300DB. A genny is an option on my boat. SR places the genny, not in the ER or bilge, but under the aft seat of the dinette! So technically it is placed in the cabin. I have placed a smoke/fire/CO detector at the aft of the cabin for the fear of the genny. Never have had a problem with it, until the stern is up wind, I have the cabin door open and the alarm starts beeping and talking........just saying Sea Ray placed the genny in the cabin....:wow:
 
Turtlesboat said:
Here's how the Honda 2000 was designed to be used on a boat.

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The most dangerous thing I see here is trying to balance on the top of that old, rickety, tin ladder while attempting to "beach yourself like Shamu at Sea World" onto the swim platform.:grin:
 
Lazy Daze said:
The most dangerous thing I see here is trying to balance on the top of that old, rickety, tin ladder while attempting to "beach yourself like Shamu at Sea World" onto the swim platform.:grin:
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Oh, I see, keep the man with the little ladder down. You big ladder owners are all the same. I have a need to get on my boat too, so what if my ladder is dangerous, people die every day eating chickens wings, that's life.
 
I'm with Bucit, I still call BS on this thread!! Whoever started it got exactly what he wanted!! A bunch of name calling and sparring.

Is it just a coincidence that this thread starts and Gary, a computer whiz, resurfaces? Things that make you go HHhhhhmmmmmmm!!

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tdschafer said:
I'm with Bucit, I still call BS on this thread!! Whoever started it got exactly what he wanted!! A bunch of name calling and sparring.

Is it just a coincidence that this thread starts and Gary, a computer whiz, resurfaces? Things that make you go HHhhhhmmmmmmm!!

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Probably the CSR guy that now works in my new company... he's all wrapped around the axle about owning a sub-par Sea Ray bridge boat.

And I'm no computer whiz... I'm still waiting for Mr. ComputerMAN to come fix my server.
 
I can keep going with dangers if death by CO or electrocution is wussy stuff. The exhaust from an aircooled gen is hot enough to ignite stuff. People on boats hang towels everywhere to dry and the back of the boat is probably the most popular. A towel blows off onto the swim platform... how long do you think it would take to ignite and catch on fire? I don't know either. But if it does, i'm sure the gas can is in the transom locker. Even if the boat doesn't catch fire, who wants to accidentally put their leg against a super hot exhaust pipe while swimming off the platform, raise your hand. Gas fumes, not spark protected, not water protected, has no corrosion inhibitor on any of the connectors or switches, Heck I bet most of the unit is aluminum. That's what I want on my boat, a corroding non grounded power plant sitting a couple of inches off the water blowing super hot toxic exhaust everywhere and venting gas fumes from the carb. Who wants to go boating with me!!!! And in this litigation crazy country...
 
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ok , Im still on the fence on this one , isnt the ground prong on the geny grounded to the frame of geny ? and is the ground on your boat(shorepower) grounded to your appliances ? , I believe it is , so in essence you are fully grounded and should be safe ,if your really worried make a grounding wire from geny frame to boats main grounding bar , Id be more leary of hooking my boat up to some marina shore power towers , dealing with stray currents and such then a porta geny , and btw , my buddys built in geny on his Gibson sport house boat is louder and creates more harmful CO then my little Honda 2000 strapped to my pulpit , and i only run the genny usualy in late afternoon to charge the batteries, and run a/c to get the cabin cool on a hot night , once charged , geny turns off, fans turn on and have full power utilising the inverter for coffee/food in am and to keep us cool all night , this is really a pissing match between portas and built ins , Its all about common sense !! use it ! and be safe , oh btw , Ill use my Honda Geny all weekend on one tank of fuel , so i dont have a gas can anywhere on my boat
 
grounding to the frame of the gen is not the same thing as being grounded. You have to GROUND the generator. read the manual, It's all right there on the proper way to do it. Can you do it on a boat? I'm sure you can, but you have to first understand how it works.

And it's not a pissing match, I could give a rats ass if someone wants to run a portable gen on their boat. What's not OK is when someone comes over and asks if it's safe and no one gives them the downsides.

I own one, and I love it. I truly wish I could stick that sucker on my swim platform and run it for 1/10 the cost of running my diesel gen. But I know the dangers and risks and decided it's not worth it. Give the others all of the information so they can make up their own mind.
 
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I'm a 99%er? weee, I'm off to Zuccatti park to play some bongos.
 
Ok I just opened my geny up , read up on grounding genys, my Honda 2000, ground prong IS tied to the Geny Frame , now , when you plug your shore power cord in to the geny outlet , then plug into your boat , the geny is now grounded to your boats ground/elect. system , SO NOW , isnt that how your built in geny is wired too ????? I know so ! , now on to the next , CO ,very ,very BAD , killer , silent killer , only run generaters when your awake and preferably with a breeze blowing away from your vessel this includes built ins and portables , use with common sense ,Oh and sorry I DONT have the $4-5,000. for a built in marine geny and all used ones i find are complete garbage for a grand or two ,if that makes me look like a cheap, hillbilly with my red geny on my bow pulpit , and my portable hatch a/c unit SO BE IT !!!! dont raft off next to me !!!!


Some comments some people make on this site ,really make me wonder , are some better then others ? , dont get me wrong I have got alot of help from some on here regarding props and dash removal on my first Sea Ray , but have gotten bashed from others on this site , I am a member of a few other boating web sites and this is by far the most opinionated site I have ever been on ,some think because they own big expensive boats/yachts they are smarter and higher then others , I like to think were all boaters, we all want to enjoy boating and life , if someone has a question ,just dont shoot them down and make fun of there questions, you were there once , wernt you ?? its a learning experience , have to start somewhere


Judge Smails ,you can bash me all you want with this post !
 
The difference between shore power and gen power is that the ground on shore power actually goes to ground, physically. The ground pins on the gen goes to the frame, unless you physically connect a wire from the ground terminal to the ground. So no, it's not the same. If current leaks into the ground system on your boat, it's going to the frame of the Gen looking for a way out. You come along and touch the gen and it will find a way to ground through your body.

before I became a big boat diesel snob, i was a peasant and owned a boat without a gen, I too thought about a cheap Honda to plug my coffee pot into. Members on this forum "opinionated" me into rethinking my peasant cheap thinking ways and guided me to "figure out" how my boats electrical system actually worked. The end result was I ended up boiling water on my alcohol stove to make coffee for 4 years until I could save up enough money boy whoring to buy the boat I have now. sinking 1/4 of my boats value into a generator to safely make coffee didn't appeal to me. But You are not me and can do whatever you want. Just don't ask me to fish your body out of the water.
 
Turtlesboat said:
The difference between shore power and gen power is that the ground on shore power actually goes to ground, physically. The ground pins on the gen goes to the frame, unless you physically connect a wire from the ground terminal to the ground. So no, it's not the same. If current leaks into the ground system on your boat, it's going to the frame of the Gen looking for a way out. You come along and touch the gen and it will find a way to ground through your body.

before I became a big boat diesel snob, i was a peasant and owned a boat without a gen, I too thought about a cheap Honda to plug my coffee pot into. Members on this forum "opinionated" me into rethinking my peasant cheap thinking ways and guided me to "figure out" how my boats electrical system actually worked. The end result was I ended up boiling water on my alcohol stove to make coffee for 4 years until I could save up enough money boy whoring to buy the boat I have now. sinking 1/4 of my boats value into a generator to safely make coffee didn't appeal to me. But You are not me and can do whatever you want. Just don't ask me to fish your body out of the water.
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How is a regular factory generator grounding done?
 
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