Guns on your boat

Dwna
An old large boat captain. He said he had a 300 ton licence looked at flare guns as you do.
I have seen the metal 10 gauge guns in the oil field but never for sale. Does any one know if any one makes new ones and are they legal on a boat in Canada.
Lots of used ones on the net but they seem to be collector items.
 
northern said:
Dwna
An old large boat captain. He said he had a 300 ton licence looked at flare guns as you do.
I have seen the metal 10 gauge guns in the oil field but never for sale. Does any one know if any one makes new ones and are they legal on a boat in Canada.
Lots of used ones on the net but they seem to be collector items.
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right.... why dont you purchase a 12 gauge and take it with you? there is absolutely no reason that you cannot, provided you have your PAL . Doing what you suggest as posted above, without having a PAL (in Canada) is a felony criminal offence as you would not be permitted to purchase, own, transport or store amunition.

Get your PAL, purchase a real firearm. It simply needs to be unloaded. Something like this is perfectly legal, small and handy to have:

http://www.fabarm.com/web_eng/dettaglio-prodotto.asp?i=118

not as reliable, cool or expensive is this as an alternative...

https://www.canadaammo.com/product/detail/dominion-arms-grizzly-shotgun-12-5/
 
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estoltz said:
Can you cite the laws pertaining to this? As I understand it Code of Virginia 18.2-308 allows for unloaded secure storage of a firearm in a vehicle without a permit. You may also carry it on your person as long as it is open. The question I have is when you are living aboard your boat why can't the rules apply as they do to your home? Keep in Mind I Am Not A Lawyer.
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IF you are on Virginia Waters and have a CWP there is no issue having a loaded gun on your person or in the boat.

The complication for those of us in Northern Virginia is quite different. On the Potomac River, Maryland "owns" a very large slice of the river from Great Falls to Point Lookout. DC "owns" the water from North of the 14th Street Bridge up to the fall waters of Chain Bridge. At any time, you can see enforcement from the USCG, Maryland, DC and Virginia all operating on the same water. As a result, the venue for applying gun laws is radically different. The primary concern for law enforcement is National Airport and White House helicopter travel over the river. Guns make law enforcement nervous in DC water. I don't carry one on board for that reason. Plus with one radio call......the good guys show up.
 
k9medic said:
PLEASE, I BEG OF YOU.... Do not take the interpretation of the Coast Guard Auxiliary as ANY form of legal advice. For the most part they are a good group of volunteers to assist in boater safety education but they ARE NOT in any way, shape of form a part of law enforcement.


A boat (vessel) is a conveyance and Federal law allows for the transportation of guns in a conveyance provided that they are unloaded, inoperable and encased. Remember this is Federal Law only. A caveat to this is possession of a gun on Federal property.

State laws still apply. The fact that you have a bedroom on your boat does not make it a house for the purpose of search and seizure and your 4th amendment rights.

I will be happy to share additional information anyone if requested.
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Hi K9,

I wouldn't take any one person's word as law even a LEO, because they are like anyone else they can skew things.
 
northern said:
Dwna
An old large boat captain. He said he had a 300 ton licence looked at flare guns as you do.
I have seen the metal 10 gauge guns in the oil field but never for sale. Does any one know if any one makes new ones and are they legal on a boat in Canada.
Lots of used ones on the net but they seem to be collector items.
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Let me see what I can find for you
 
estoltz said:
Can you cite the laws pertaining to this? As I understand it Code of Virginia 18.2-308 allows for unloaded secure storage of a firearm in a vehicle without a permit. You may also carry it on your person as long as it is open. The question I have is when you are living aboard your boat why can't the rules apply as they do to your home? Keep in Mind I Am Not A Lawyer.
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Ok the way I see a boat live aboard or not, it is a vessel, like a car. Living on your boat or living in your car is not the same as living in a STATIONARY home. A boat, car, mobile camper all can travel. They are not bricks and sticks. If you want to carry a handgun on the boat get the training and get a CWP. Mind the resoprosity laws of any state in which you travel. Keep training and practice often. I pray you'll never use the firearm
 
I believe wherever you are sleeping at any given time, you are protected under the castle doctrine law. Whether it's a house, hotel, apartment, camper, boat, tent, etc... I could be wrong. I thought that I was wrong once, but I was mistaken!

Cheers
 
It's foiled every pirate attack so far, actually there haven't been any attacks yet but I'm ready. They make some real small ones for concealed carry.:grin:
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Ctsearay said:
Hi K9,

I wouldn't take any one person's word as law even a LEO, because they are like anyone else they can skew things.
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This was more of a disclaimer for those few folks out there who think that the CG Aux. has authority.
 
Woody I have both but in different forms. My baby Sig 9mm, and a C&O brakemans bat. It's flat on two sides, shorter so it can tighten a brake wheel on a boxcar, and easy to hide and carry.
 
Gofirstclass said:
northern, to answer your question--yes, I have had an occasion when I wished I had one on board.

We were anchored overnight in a fairly secluded area off the main channel of the Columbia River. Mid summer, nice evening, all the windows open and a gentle breeze drifting through the boat. I awoke in the middle of the night to the sound of a small outboard motor very close to the boat. I got up and peeked up over the boat's helm and could see a small, aluminum boat with two guys in it, but I did not see any fishing gear. They were idling around my boat about 10 yards away. They made a couple of circles around the boat then idled off about 30-40 yards away.

I could hear their voices but couldn't tell what they were saying. About that time I realized that I had no way to defend myself if they were intent on boarding us and robbing us. They sat there talking for several minutes then fired up the motor and idled away.

Since then I usually have a handgun hidden on board.
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Exact same scenario happened to me. Used to be blindly confident nothing would ever happen. I've been worried ever since and thinking about purchasing a firearm.


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If you can have it in your home, shouldn't you be able to have it in your boat if it is your domicile?
 
Black Valkyrie said:
Incorrect. I am in Canada. You are misinformed.
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If you are tied to a mooring ball, pier or dock, you are considered to be on Canadian soil. No guns. Handguns anyway. No reciprocity for CPLs in the USA.

That is incorrect?
 
Another alternative is a can of "hornet spray". It is pressurized and shoots at least 20 feet. That is far enough to hit the face of anyone trying to board. Legal anywhere, less danger to everyone, not sure what it does to the eyes of the target (but less damage than a bullet.) Does the job of fending off a boarder without a fatal consequence.
 
Polaris said:
Another alternative is a can of "hornet spray". It is pressurized and shoots at least 20 feet. That is far enough to hit the face of anyone trying to board. Legal anywhere, less danger to everyone, not sure what it does to the eyes of the target (but less damage than a bullet.) Does the job of fending off a boarder without a fatal consequence.
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Yep......WASP Spray is nasty and you can always claim to have them around a boat! I was always amazed that Lake Erie rules stated a flare gun is needed yet NY considers it a handgun......duh!
 
CV-23 said:
Yep......WASP Spray is nasty and you can always claim to have them around a boat! I was always amazed that Lake Erie rules stated a flare gun is needed yet NY considers it a handgun......duh!
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Lake Erie rules don't say a flare gun is needed.....visual distress signals are needed.
 
If y'all are worried about CPL's/CWP's or whatever other designation they have, why not skip the idea of a handgun and just get a shotgun with an 18" barrel. Even in Canada that is legal if the gun is stored unloaded and the shells stored in a separate location. No muss, no fuss, no bother.
 
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