George Floyd

I spent just short of 15 years keeping the streets clean and liked most of it. My biggest issues were with the administration, not with the people on the street or the people I worked with.

Twice I went into smoke filled apartments before the fire dept arrived and pulled people out.. Both times I was threatened with a written reprimand because I was not trained to do that.

Another time I, and one other cop, did a middle of the night, cold water rescue (winter time) of a man wedged between his canoe and a snag in the river. Again the threat of a reprimand.

3 lives saved, 3 threatened reprimands. The only reason he backed down is I threatened to take them to the newspaper and let the "court of public opinion" decide who was right.

What a prick. I would not be a cop today for all the COVID infected tea in China.
 
Golfman25 said:
All true under normal circumstances. But now letting the perps go is the better idea. Everyone is watching. Policing is a chit show right now. Why lose your career over it.
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Letting the perps go is the absolute worst idea ever. As I said earlier, how do you decide who to let go? Drunk and disorderly? Pretty minor but what if you let them go and they climb in a car a block away and kill someone. Burglary? Fairly non-violent. But suppose they now know how to get in the place they burgled and go back and steal more or kill someone? Bank robbery? Naw. Assault with a deadly weapon? Nope. But what about Simple Assault? And they go home, get a gun and kill the cop or someone else?

You can't let the cops decide unless.... A perp of a very simple, non-violent crime is detained, respectful and cooperative you might let him off. But as soon as a perp gets belligerent, agitated, combative or violet or appears to be in any way capable of injuring himself or another person they must be arrested. Let the judge and/or jury decide how far it goes. In fact, I think right now until thing cool down, there should be no tolerance. Arrest everyone and take the decision making out of the cops hands. Remember, the perps are the ones with the choices. Be a criminal or not. Be cooperative or not. Their choice but there are consequences of the wrong choice.

Our system of laws are pretty black and white for a purpose. Commit the crime and suffer the consequences.
 
NorCal Boater said:
Letting the perps go is the absolute worst idea ever. As I said earlier, how do you decide who to let go? Drunk and disorderly? Pretty minor but what if you let them go and they climb in a car a block away and kill someone. Burglary? Fairly non-violent. But suppose they now know how to get in the place they burgled and go back and steal more or kill someone? Bank robbery? Naw. Assault with a deadly weapon? Nope. But what about Simple Assault? And they go home, get a gun and kill the cop or someone else?

You can't let the cops decide unless.... A perp of a very simple, non-violent crime is detained, respectful and cooperative you might let him off. But as soon as a perp gets belligerent, agitated, combative or violet or appears to be in any way capable of injuring himself or another person they must be arrested. Let the judge and/or jury decide how far it goes. In fact, I think right now until thing cool down, there should be no tolerance. Arrest everyone and take the decision making out of the cops hands. Remember, the perps are the ones with the choices. Be a criminal or not. Be cooperative or not. Their choice but there are consequences of the wrong choice.

Our system of laws are pretty black and white for a purpose. Commit the crime and suffer the consequences.
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Obviously you’re not watching what’s going on. I’d take the risk on all your hypotheticals, because they are what if’s. The only thing for certain in today’s world anything a cop does will be unfairly scrutinized by the mob and your life ruined. It’s not worth it.
 
NorCal Boater said:
Unfortunately that’s easier said than done. So you’re allowing a misdemeanor to slide but how serious a misdemeanor? What about a felony arrest? Who gets to pick and choose which crime to let slide? In my opinion, a crime is a crime. The penalty is up to the courts. The the job of the police is to take a suspected law breaker off the street. The cops don’t get to be the judge.

Now, the perpetrators do have choices. 1. Choose to not break the law. 2. Choose to break the law but surrender and comply when caught by police. 3. Break the law and choose to resist arrest or refuse to comply to lawful commands by the police. See, the cops don’t get to choose....the criminals have the choices. And if they choose 2 or 3 they need to understand what could happen if they go down that path. Choice #2 they may do jail time. Choice #3 they may get their ass kicked....or they may get to be dead. Seems pretty simple to me.

The last 2 guys that were killed by the cops do not deserve to be dead. I think everyone agrees with that. However, they both exercised poor judgement when they chose to break the law and again when confronted by the cops. See, the bad guys make the choices.
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Make no mistake, I'm not for the cops looking the other way at all, I am suggesting that the cops stop for a minute and make a plan to apprehend the perp at a later time when they are not all hyped up and pissed off. I don't advocate that cops should determine which laws get enforced only what is the best and safest way to take a perpetrator into custody both for the cops and the perps alike. I would also suggest that charges for evading or resisting arrest be much stiffer to perhaps deter that behavior in the first place. Un fortunately when these situations come up, the perp (usually under the influence of drugs) is not really thinking clearly anyway their fight or flight instinct just kicks in.
CD
 
i watched the released bodycam and in this very case in my opinion it was more an sad accident than exessive force by police .

the cops approached him with respect and calmly when out of nothing the situation went out of control and he started to fight , showing enough physical fitness to punch down one cop and grab the taser to attack the other cop with this taser .

you could debate if there was a non deadly solution for this and if candcuffs were needed but if you knock down to ground one cop , grab his taser and point it at the other cop you would also in germany ask to catch a bullet .
 
So you guys are saying that a suspected felon should be let go because a camera is on them? You’re out of your minds and have now become part of the problem.

I know a lot of LEOs and even have them in the immediate family....run your ideas by them and see what kind of response you get. Sadly though, your proposal is what’s going to happen because the liberal municipal governments are calling the shots. And yes, I know full well what’s going on. I’ve seen it all before....
 
My son is a bail bondsman. His LEO buddies are pissed. They take all the risks and nobody has their backs. The union is silent.

They’re all (his buddies) thinking about resigning and doing private security where demand and pay has skyrocketed.

The media is complicit in everything we see. These rioters know they get full coverage on tv.

This has nothing to do w the individual perps but everything to do w the coming election.
 
NorCal Boater said:
So you guys are saying that a suspected felon should be let go because a camera is on them? You’re out of your minds and have now become part of the problem.

I know a lot of LEOs and even have them in the immediate family....run your ideas by them and see what kind of response you get. Sadly though, your proposal is what’s going to happen because the liberal municipal governments are calling the shots. And yes, I know full well what’s going on. I’ve seen it all before....
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I think you are missing the point some are trying to make. No one is saying let a perp off. We are saying don't always immediately give chase and escalate the issue right there and then. In a case like Brooks, The cops might have just stopped, called for a K9 unit and some additional patrol units to track Brooks down methodically. Sure it takes more resources and time but he posed no known threat other than a scared father of 4, inebriated black man being arrested by white cops in a time when the nation is burning over the concept that white cops are indiscriminatingly killing black men. He had a cop's taser which is dangerous but not lethal. Now had he been a known dangerous fugitive with a propensity to violence then of course, the cops need to get him ASAP. No one is suggesting that the cops should not have been arresting him for the original offense of DUI and Public intoxication. Perhaps the cops no doubt ran his information and may have found that he is on parole and would add the parole violation as well. Law enforcement is difficult, complicated work and as times have changed the cops need to adapt with intelligent solutions if we have any chance of a peaceful future.
You are spot on that the cops are run by liberal municipalities and that's where the true Racism resides. From the liberals in Congress all the way down to city hall perpetuating public policy that ensures a dependent class that will continue to vote themselves freebees and then claim the white man has his knee on their necks!
CD
 
Woody said:
Maybe they should have just given the guy a ride to his pad, kept the car keys, and told him to come to the station tomorrow and get them.
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Sure....and maybe they could have stopped with him at a bar for a few more pops. You know....just to keep up good relations and all.

I'm not saying there doesn't need to be some sort of reform with regards to excessive use of force but that is a very thin line. If you are grappling with a suspect, you may be fighting for your life and at that point no use of force is excessive. Until you have walked in their shoes it is harsh to pass judgement. The choke hold has been banished in most police departments for years but if one of my family members needs to use it to save their own life I hope they do it well. In the case of Brooks how would they have given him a ride to his pad if he was combative and going for their guns. Do you think it would have mattered to Brooks whether he grabbed the taser or the Sig 9mm. He was grabbing.

I don't have an answer to this but I do know that many of the suggestions are going to cause more crime and dead people, not less. Do you really think the criminals are going to say, "Gee, the Po-Po are not being so tough on us so maybe we should not sell as many drugs or rob as many liquor stores". I don't think so....

The simpler solution is....don't break the law, you don't get killed. Don't resist, you don't get killed. Comply with police commands, you don't get killed. The criminals are the only ones with the choices.
 
NorCal Boater said:
. If you are grappling with a suspect, you may be fighting for your life and at that point no use of force is excessive. Until you have walked in their shoes it is harsh to pass judgement.
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The courts have already ruled that "Disparity of Force" is as valid reason for use of deadly force. In an extreme example of this, say a female cop is arresting a large male. A fight breaks out and it's obvious to the female cop that she is no match for the male's superior strength, size and weight. In this instance use of deadly force can be justified if she is in fear for her life.

Now, an interesting turn of events. In Tallahassee, FL police found the bodies of two female protestors, one a brown skinned lady age 19 and a white female age 75. A black man has been arrested for the murders.

I wonder if there will be any protests in Tallahassee tonight for the victims, or are they just another couple of murdered women?
 
I didn’t write this but as it says, this may be the truest thing I’ve seen.

Truest statement I’ve read!

I can’t keep up. I just can’t. I’m exhausted trying to figure out what we’re all supposed to do, believe, and be offended and outraged by next.

Two months ago, First Responders were all the rage. In fact, they were heroes. We gave them free coffee, meals, and cheers as they drove by.Today we hate them and want them defunded because they can’t be trusted.

Two months ago, truck drivers were the heroes, as well, for keeping America moving and the grocery stores stocked. Today we block the roads with protesters, drag them out of the cabs and beat them half to death.

Nurses and Doctors are still cool for now. But they may be unemployed. They too are heroes, unless of course they truly believe all lives matter. Then they’re filled with hate and are part of problem like so many others.

Just 45 days ago protests weren’t “essential” and were considered criminal, selfish and a murderous activity. Today they are gloriously critical and celebrated. All of the obvious criminal and murderous activities are simply ignored. If you protest about lockdowns for freedom, you are selfish and you will spread a virus. If you protest, loot, and riot for social justice, you are a warrior and the virus cedes.

Trust the experts. No, not those experts. Don’t wear masks ... wear masks, but only good ones. Wait, don’t wear masks, wear anything as a mask. Never mind on the masks. Not sure, but if you don’t, you hate people because you could be an asymptomatic spreader. Wait. That's not a thing anymore?

For 3 months, NOTHING was more important than social distance. In fact, we gave up all of our liberties for it. We canceled schools, medical and dental procedures, yet allowed the murder of babies, canceled activities, closed businesses, eliminated every spring rite of passage from prom to graduation, denied people funerals, even at Arlington, and we wrecked the economy for it. Then came social justice, and social distance was no more. Now things are more cut and dry though. A thousand people at three memorials for someone they never even met. It's a matter of "respect". But you can only assemble 100 or less people.

Black Lives Matter. Of course they do. Then multiple black police officers and individuals were killed during the “peaceful protests”. I don’t see any outrage. Black individually owned businesses burned to the ground. Silence. Deadliest weekend in Chicago. NOTHING!!

I’m really confused now. Look at the data, NO, not that data. Do the math. No, you can’t do the math like that. Only the experts can understand the data and math. What do you mean other cities/states/governors are interpreting the data differently? Pools are safe in Indiana, but not Michigan? Playgrounds are safe in your town but not mine? Amusement parks are safe in Florida but not Ohio, nor Michigan.

Just listen to the black community leaders. No, not them.

If you are silent you are part of the problem. If you speak, you are part of the problem. If you have to ask, you don’t understand. If you don’t ask, you don’t care.

It’s all so predictable, tedious, and exhausting. Nothing adds up. It’s one gigantic common core Math life problem, with ever changing denominators that I’m sure the media and politicians are eagerly ready to solve for us....until the next "crisis".

So for now I pray. I pray God will heal our land and bless the United States of America.

***Copied From A Friend****
 
NorCal Boater said:
I didn’t write this but as it says, this may be the truest thing I’ve seen.

Truest statement I’ve read!

I can’t keep up. I just can’t. I’m exhausted trying to figure out what we’re all supposed to do, believe, and be offended and outraged by next.

Two months ago, First Responders were all the rage. In fact, they were heroes. We gave them free coffee, meals, and cheers as they drove by.Today we hate them and want them defunded because they can’t be trusted.

Two months ago, truck drivers were the heroes, as well, for keeping America moving and the grocery stores stocked. Today we block the roads with protesters, drag them out of the cabs and beat them half to death.

Nurses and Doctors are still cool for now. But they may be unemployed. They too are heroes, unless of course they truly believe all lives matter. Then they’re filled with hate and are part of problem like so many others.

Just 45 days ago protests weren’t “essential” and were considered criminal, selfish and a murderous activity. Today they are gloriously critical and celebrated. All of the obvious criminal and murderous activities are simply ignored. If you protest about lockdowns for freedom, you are selfish and you will spread a virus. If you protest, loot, and riot for social justice, you are a warrior and the virus cedes.

Trust the experts. No, not those experts. Don’t wear masks ... wear masks, but only good ones. Wait, don’t wear masks, wear anything as a mask. Never mind on the masks. Not sure, but if you don’t, you hate people because you could be an asymptomatic spreader. Wait. That's not a thing anymore?

For 3 months, NOTHING was more important than social distance. In fact, we gave up all of our liberties for it. We canceled schools, medical and dental procedures, yet allowed the murder of babies, canceled activities, closed businesses, eliminated every spring rite of passage from prom to graduation, denied people funerals, even at Arlington, and we wrecked the economy for it. Then came social justice, and social distance was no more. Now things are more cut and dry though. A thousand people at three memorials for someone they never even met. It's a matter of "respect". But you can only assemble 100 or less people.

Black Lives Matter. Of course they do. Then multiple black police officers and individuals were killed during the “peaceful protests”. I don’t see any outrage. Black individually owned businesses burned to the ground. Silence. Deadliest weekend in Chicago. NOTHING!!

I’m really confused now. Look at the data, NO, not that data. Do the math. No, you can’t do the math like that. Only the experts can understand the data and math. What do you mean other cities/states/governors are interpreting the data differently? Pools are safe in Indiana, but not Michigan? Playgrounds are safe in your town but not mine? Amusement parks are safe in Florida but not Ohio, nor Michigan.

Just listen to the black community leaders. No, not them.

If you are silent you are part of the problem. If you speak, you are part of the problem. If you have to ask, you don’t understand. If you don’t ask, you don’t care.

It’s all so predictable, tedious, and exhausting. Nothing adds up. It’s one gigantic common core Math life problem, with ever changing denominators that I’m sure the media and politicians are eagerly ready to solve for us....until the next "crisis".

So for now I pray. I pray God will heal our land and bless the United States of America.

***Copied From A Friend****
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Awesome share,
What we need is a good earthquake or hurricane or tsunami or massive terrorist attack for the media to focus on and the BLM thing can go back to a low simmer. Hate to see these events happen but they are inevitable so let it be. Anything to get Chaz and BLM out of the news!!!
 
A taser may not be a deadly weapon but can definitely lead to a deadly situation. Think about this. The first day of my law enforcement training the instructor asked how many police calls involve a firearm? I won't post the answer but think about it.
So let's say you are out somewhere and your gun is in plain view for all to see. Let's say you aren't a cop. Just an average Joe citizen that just witnessed all of this but the officer did not fire. Maybe he is incapacitated and there is nobody around to help you. The known criminal points that taser at you. Tough call, huh? Knowing your life is in the hands of a known criminal (the guy was already DUI at a minimum and resisted arrest and committed a felony by punching the officer). Having all of this information would you feel fairly 'safe' because it was only a taser?
 
boatman37 said:
A taser may not be a deadly weapon but can definitely lead to a deadly situation. Think about this. The first day of my law enforcement training the instructor asked how many police calls involve a firearm? I won't post the answer but think about it.
So let's say you are out somewhere and your gun is in plain view for all to see. Let's say you aren't a cop. Just an average Joe citizen that just witnessed all of this but the officer did not fire. Maybe he is incapacitated and there is nobody around to help you. The known criminal points that taser at you. Tough call, huh? Knowing your life is in the hands of a known criminal (the guy was already DUI at a minimum and resisted arrest and committed a felony by punching the officer). Having all of this information would you feel fairly 'safe' because it was only a taser?
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As I said earlier....what if he grabbed the gun? I don't think he was purposely going for the taser. He was going for whatever he could get his hands on. If he had grabbed the gun and then turned and was ready to fire, what then?
 
Carpediem44DB said:
Awesome share,
What we need is a good earthquake or hurricane or tsunami or massive terrorist attack for the media to focus on and the BLM thing can go back to a low simmer. Hate to see these events happen but they are inevitable so let it be. Anything to get Chaz and BLM out of the news!!!
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The state government here in Louisiana actually had hurricane drills in April working with the virus. Need shelters available in the event a hurricane leaves people homeless but there could only be so many people gathered in one place, the state was really struggling this for a while.
 
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