George Floyd

Creekwood said:
50% of Americans are Republicans and 50% are Democrats. And the way I am seeing it, there is increasing polarization of views behind pure idealistic principles but without finding middle ground. Which ones are the sheep? One is not "wrong" and the other "right". There are many peaceful prosperous nations around the world that are much more socialist than the US. The more you allow polarization by politicians on BOTH sides (by each side voting in leaders on the extreme, rather than centrists) the more you are headed for disaster.

Civil war and rebellion will NOT make a stronger USA this time around. It will be the end of the USA. Unity and finding common ground is what is needed, not more division. I don't know how to stop the direction you are going, but I really hope you do. I have not heard one leader with a real solution that can re-inspire a nation.

Sorry el Capitan, but killing enough democrats so that the far right can take over is not going to work. Hitler had that idea and it didn't work out that well for him or for Germany.
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Not correct.
90% of Americans are moderate and pragmatic critical thinkers. That is the lowest percentage recorded however which is a bit alarming.
Democrats and Republicans are pretty much split evenly among our population; but, still the majority are moderate and about the middle of the line. Do you remember basic statics - the mean, median, and mode? Still the primary differences between the parties are the basis of the roll and size of the federal government in our society in contrast to the roll and size of the state government in our society. Nothing of substance is different.
The issue is the media is focusing on fringe issues and is 100% responsible for the current unrest. We recognize this is an election year; the media and Dem's are desperate to unseat the current administration but have nothing of substance to bring to the table other than to camp on fringe situations; the Dems have no plan other than back off everything the current administration has done and return to the basis of the previous administration which had significant flaws that based upon our current situation with this virus and international situations would have ended up rather disastrously. Consequently, through alarmist techniques the media is attempting to drag the independents (those that can and will vote either party) toward the progressive side which I believe will seriously backfire come November.
 
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ttmott said:
Not correct.
90% of Americans are moderate and pragmatic critical thinkers. That is the lowest percentage recorded however which is a bit alarming.
Democrats and Republicans are pretty much split evenly among our population; but, still the majority are moderate and about the middle of the line. Do you remember basic statics - the mean, median, and mode? Still the primary differences between the parties are the basis of the roll and size of the federal government in our society in contrast to the roll and size of the state government in our society. Nothing of substance is different.
The issue is the media is focusing on fringe issues and is 100% responsible for the current unrest. We recognize this is an election year; the media and Dem's are desperate to unseat the current administration but have nothing of substance to bring to the table other than to camp on fringe situations; the Dems have no plan other than back off everything the current administration has done and return to the basis of the previous administration which had significant flaws that based upon our current situation with this virus and international situations would have ended up rather disastrously. Consequently, through alarmist techniques the media is attempting to drag the independents (those that can and will vote either party) toward the progressive side which I believe will seriously backfire come November.
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I cannot disagree with everything you are saying. But.... There are those on the fringe that are causing the unrest. Yes, the media is feeding into it. But it is the people that are doing it. And if they are just sheep to the media, then the sheep are left and right fringe sheep. And the posts on this thread, which are representative of the middle class America to upper class america, make it clear to me that the fringes are everywhere. Its not just the radical rioters and BLM protesters and the white supremacist back woods far right.

Maybe you are right though. It is extremists on both sides that are the manipulated sheep. Lets hope the moderates are the majority and don't let the fringes' fight for supremacy bring down the republic.

Lets hope the bell curve of leftist and right is not an inverted bell.
 
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Civil war and rebellion will NOT make a stronger USA this time around. It will be the end of the USA. Unity and finding common ground is what is needed, not more division. I don't know how to stop the direction you are going, but I really hope you do. I have not heard one leader with a real solution that can re-inspire a nation.

I agree that civil war would be the end of the US as we know it and what develops after is anyone's guess. The rub comes in the concept of finding common ground. The progressives come up with the idea of what equity looks like and will always lobby on behalf of some special class: Blacks, LGBT, Illegals ECT. The conservatives will typically make an argument against fundamental change because the fundamentals that built the nation really did serve the US well for most of the 243 years we have existed. Our problem is, we get some idiot like Nancy Pelosi or AOG come up with some nutty reform idea and the Republicans usually negotiate some balance but they ultimately make the idea Law. Its death by a thousand cuts. Our only chance at preserving a strong America as a leader of the free world and leading economic power is to shut these ideas down completely upon arrival. We need to reinforce the idea self reliance and responsibilty and kill the idea that the government exists to solve everyone's problems for them.
 
The idea of civil war is ridiculous. The idea that this country could ruin itself over internal discord is real. The Chinese are loving the riots. It takes focus from their own problems. The Chinese are loving that we are distracted with BLM nonsense. I have two kids 25 and 10. They have to live in this fucked up world we are giving them. I'm disgusted by what is going on but I feel powerless to make any change. Trump has been outmaneuvered.
 
The county courthouse is about 1 mile from our marina. Drove by today and there were protestors on the front lawn of the courthouse. Didn't get that good of a look cause I was driving but saw one sign that said FASCIST. Then a bunch raised their fists. Across the street was a bunch of Harleys and bikers. I sent back through a few hours later and everyone was gone.
 
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Another shooting by police in ATL last night and another black man dead. He was asleep in the Wendy’s drive thru line. Cops were called. Sobriety test was positive. He fought and struggled with police and managed to get a taser and took off running. When he turned to fire the taser, he was shot and killed. White female ATL Chief of Police resigned today. Riots tonight and a Wendy’s was torched....

Bennett
 
I am not a police person nor do know anyone who is; but based on what we have seen in the US if I was a police person I would be terrified I was going to get killed every time I stopped or approached some one. I have no idea how to stop what is going on and it seems no one else knows. It is like a bar fight, people know how it started; but no one in the bar is willing to stop for freer of not being able to protect themselves.
 
bbwhitejr said:
Another shooting by police in ATL last night and another black man dead. He was asleep in the Wendy’s drive thru line. Cops were called. Sobriety test was positive. He fought and struggled with police and managed to get a taser and took off running. When he turned to fire the taser, he was shot and killed. White female ATL Chief of Police resigned today. Riots tonight and a Wendy’s was torched....

Bennett
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I just saw a report on the news with the body cam footage. The dude should have just let himself be cuffed. He fought the cops that were being very professional dealing with an intoxicated driver. The idiot instead struggled free grabbed a taser from one of the officers and ran. He could have just as easily grabbed an officers gun. Where the big problem will come for the cops that put him down will be why shoot him when they knew he only had a taser? I imagine what will eventually come out of all of this is the cops will just need to stop these pursuits when there is no evidence that the perp is a threat to anyone's life. The police have been dialing back the high speed pursuits of vehicles using air resources to track the vehicle or just waiting for another opportunity to capture the perp. I can see in this case, where the cops could instead, let him run, impound the car, they have his image on camera and he likely is in the system anyway, let his PO talk him into surrendering himself when he is sober. Instead, now multiple careers have been destroyed and another black man is killed by white cops. No one wins. The street cops need to make contact and when things turn to shit, step back, come up with a careful plan and perhaps let detectives that have no adrenalin racing through their veins, bring the perp to account for his behavior. We will never have a perfect world but we need now to come up with a smarter way to deal with these situations.
Carpe Diem
 
From what i understand... virtually all these issues arise when the person resists arrest - no matter if they are Black, Caucasian, Hispanic, Asian, Alien, Native...
I was taught to be respectful of people - Doctors, Firemen, Policemen etc and say "Yes, Sir", "No, Sir".
Bottom line - Just as the police need to be calm and think about the situation - so does the person in question.
 
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I just saw a report on the news with the body cam footage. The dude should have just let himself be cuffed. He fought the cops that were being very professional dealing with an intoxicated driver. The idiot instead struggled free grabbed a taser from one of the officers and ran. He could have just as easily grabbed an officers gun. Where the big problem will come for the cops that put him down will be why shoot him when they knew he only had a taser? I imagine what will eventually come out of all of this is the cops will just need to stop these pursuits when there is no evidence that the perp is a threat to anyone's life. The police have been dialing back the high speed pursuits of vehicles using air resources to track the vehicle or just waiting for another opportunity to capture the perp. I can see in this case, where the cops could instead, let him run, impound the car, they have his image on camera and he likely is in the system anyway, let his PO talk him into surrendering himself when he is sober. Instead, now multiple careers have been destroyed and another black man is killed by white cops. No one wins. The street cops need to make contact and when things turn to shit, step back, come up with a careful plan and perhaps let detectives that have no adrenalin racing through their veins, bring the perp to account for his behavior. We will never have a perfect world but we need now to come up with a smarter way to deal with these situations.
Carpe Diem
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Unfortunately that’s easier said than done. So you’re allowing a misdemeanor to slide but how serious a misdemeanor? What about a felony arrest? Who gets to pick and choose which crime to let slide? In my opinion, a crime is a crime. The penalty is up to the courts. The the job of the police is to take a suspected law breaker off the street. The cops don’t get to be the judge.

Now, the perpetrators do have choices. 1. Choose to not break the law. 2. Choose to break the law but surrender and comply when caught by police. 3. Break the law and choose to resist arrest or refuse to comply to lawful commands by the police. See, the cops don’t get to choose....the criminals have the choices. And if they choose 2 or 3 they need to understand what could happen if they go down that path. Choice #2 they may do jail time. Choice #3 they may get their ass kicked....or they may get to be dead. Seems pretty simple to me.

The last 2 guys that were killed by the cops do not deserve to be dead. I think everyone agrees with that. However, they both exercised poor judgement when they chose to break the law and again when confronted by the cops. See, the bad guys make the choices.
 
Carpediem44DB said:
Where the big problem will come for the cops that put him down will be why shoot him when they knew he only had a taser? I imagine what will eventually come out of all of this is the cops will just need to stop these pursuits when there is no evidence that the perp is a threat to anyone's life.
Carpe Diem
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I'm going to politely disagree with you. I can't find a link to the source but two or three cops were fired for using tasers on a driver who was trying to flee. The driver's attorney said the use of tasers amounts to deadly force and got the officers fired.

So you can't have it both ways. It can't be deadly force on one hand and not on the other.
 
All true under normal circumstances. But now letting the perps go is the better idea. Everyone is watching. Policing is a chit show right now. Why lose your career over it.
 
So they torched Wendys? What did Wendys do? The man went there on his own free will and fell asleep in the drive-thru. What were the employees at Wendys supposed to do? Let the man hold up the drive thru while he napped? Maybe Wendys didn't even call them? Maybe another person in the drive thru? Either way how was Wendys at fault? Just an excuse to cause mayhem.
 
boatman37 said:
So they torched Wendys? What did Wendys do? The man went there on his own free will and fell asleep in the drive-thru. What were the employees at Wendys supposed to do? Let the man hold up the drive thru while he napped? Maybe Wendys didn't even call them? Maybe another person in the drive thru? Either way how was Wendys at fault? Just an excuse to cause mayhem.
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My thing is how hard is it to burn down a Wendy’s .....where was the alarm and sprinklers....and where were the cops?
 
Spoke to a cop who worked for me on Friday. He worked 11 straight days an average of 14 hours a day. He has 27 years on now. He told me his wife wants him to retire now, but he was trying to make it to 30.
Last time we spoke a few months back I told him going to 30 was a good idea.
This time my advice was different. I told him to go in on Monday morning, put his papers in, clean out his locker and don’t look back.
I was third generation NYPD. It started with my grandfather back in 1927, he stayed until 1967. I’ve had both of my kids take the most recent tests for local PD’s in the hope that one of them would continue the tradition. That has all changed in the last few weeks. My new advice to them is that they should never take any police job anywhere in the country.
The pendulum has swung hard in the wrong direction and it will take decades to swing back.
 
I was lucky to do 24 years in the city and damn glad I got out 5 years ago
We have almost nephews and nieces on the job and I sent them a text today to get out and find something else to do they are nowhere near retirement so vest out and stay safe.
 
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