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Overall, I think it's a good design. I for one, love dinette for two in the master. Whether working on my laptop or sharing bottle of wine, staring out of the big hull side ports would be marvelous. I worry that if this is a design cue from Sea Ray, however, that we are going to lose our American layout yachts. American layout has always been maxing out space for a given size, luxury, and also functionality over style. Euro boats always seem smaller than their size to me because of wasted spaces, huge sunpads on bridges, and lower helms that get in the way. One good thing about this boat is the bridge; although somewhat euro with it's low slung posture (just rails behind you, no fiberglass), it looks spacious and fully utilized. With the exception of the wasted space ahead of the helm, ostensibly to make the lower helm standable, it appears to work. It would be too bad if the lower helm were standard with no other option, for say, a dinette, for instance. As for cabinetry, the days of the beautiful gloss cherry are probably over. Blame it on fashion or cheaping out to survive the recession, either way you're going to have to spring for a high-end boat for that. I've seen too many half-millon dollar and up boats at the shows that look like the cabinetry is made out of that particle board-put-together furniture. That is inexcusable (at least it would be a deal breaker for me). Hopefully Sea Ray won't go that low.

If you want to see an example of what I am talking about, a boat maker that looks like it is totally losing its way as the iconic maker of American layout yachts to the Euro fad, check out the new Carver 34. It's a travesty. It's got all the Euro designs: Wasted bridge, cramped salon, silly galley layout, and poor use of space. On top of that, there is exposed fiberglass everywhere inside (cheap!) and crap cabinetry. It's sad they've totally lost their way. Oh well.

Looks like only Meridian is building traditional sedan layouts now. No wonder why they are so popular. The 391 has the best bridge and salon layouts in their class.

But I digress. The new Sea Ray looks to be a sort of hybrid between American and Euro layouts. I would say just get rid of the lower helm and use that space. And with the pretentiousness of Sea Ray pricing these days, it had better be luxurious in and out. No exposed interior fiberglass and real woodwork. I look forward to seeing it.
 

I almost hate to say it but if I hit the big lottery and win a couple hundred mill I will be looking at these to manufacturers plus Nordhavn for my next boat. With designs such as this 510, SR doesn't make the short list. Actually, it doesn't make the long list either. I love my boat but would never own one of these new ones. Maybe I'm just too much of an old fart to appreciate these new euro designs.
 
You and me both. Old guys rule!

And the sooner the SR design guys figure that out, the sooner SR might sell a few more boats. They are only so many young guys with the $$$ to afford the newer boats, so someone ought to be designing a boat for the guy with the coin in his pocket to buy it.
 
And the sooner the SR design guys figure that out, the sooner SR might sell a few more boats. They are only so many young guys with the $$$ to afford the newer boats, so someone ought to be designing a boat for the guy with the coin in his pocket to buy it.
We tried to tell them, Rick. Can't complain though, given that we got the chance to talk to the boss.
 
I will say the boat manafacturers have priced the middle class out of buying boats. Small cruisers that is. How can a person justify paying twice what your house cost you, to buy a small cruiser? I can't, so I stay in my little 240da. Then the manafacturers wonder why they aren't selling boats.

Alot of people are just using the boat they have because we are mostly stuck where we are!! I can't afford the next step up! I can't even trade up to an older boat because nobody is trading in thier boat to buy a new one, because who "wants" to afford a boat they really aren't sold on the new styling of. It's a double edge sword. How can you get excited about buying a boat you don't like the styling of, that gets you excited enough to take the chance of overextenting yourself to buy a new boat!!!!!!!!! Breath.....I know people are going to get on me about over extending themselves, but I mean the percieved feeling of overextending themselves. Haven't you been scared to buy the next boat, but you do it and find out there was no pain at all. You could afford it, you just didn't think you could.

I'm rambling, oh well.........just my 2 cents!!!! hahaha
 
OK... I'm actually starting the process of looking for our next boat. I am 52 years old, am divorced, and live in a van down by the river. (not really).

I just don't know who the audience is for this boat. I asked about the eisenglass enclosure/air conditioning options and really didn't get a response. I have a feeling there is no AC on the bridge. I'm old... and I've had stuff cut off my face a few times and my next boat WILL have an enclosed bridge. With my boat, we run it typically 6-8 hours many days and sometimes 10-12 getting to a new cruising ground. We don't just hang around locally. I've taken the eisenglass off my boat a few times and it pretty much sucks. The wind is blowing so strong you can't talk, spray hits you once in a while, can't hear the radio, hot and sticky, etc. I don't want to drive my boat like that for long runs. My 480 DB now has a makrolon enclosure and I love it. I also never see 480 DB / 52 DB's with their bridge enclosures removed and the AC is always on (I think I saw them in the marketing literature with the eisenglass off). So based on this popularity, why would you remove this feature? That's just nonsense! We have a lot of Viking/Princess boats in our marina (and I mean a lot) and most of them have some hodgepodge canvas awning built and it looks like crap. Before anyone pipes up and says, "drive it from down below if you want AC", that's really poor form. I want to drive from a bridge/pilot house because I like being up high and seeing over the bow and having my own "space" there. I don't like driving from the kitchen.

The other big requirement I have is serviceability. This thing is a rear engine boat and I'm curious how the mechanicals are all stuffed into that space. I just finished fighting a VERY poor layout on my 480 DB with a generator in a sound shield and I was almost to the point of cutting a hole in the side of the boat to service the thing. We go on extended cruises... we service stuff in remote places... And for someone to say "hire someone" is the dumbest excuse for bad serviceability. To replace the generator exhaust tube inside the soundbox on my boat would probably have been a $10-15K service call for an $80 part.

On the good side, I like the DB designs of the current 52 and 58 DB. In fact, some of the other manufactures seem to be copying the Sea Ray "look" while Sea Ray is moving on to some "I'm 40 years old, have 3 25-year old chicks sunbathing and I have a job as a book runner for Goldman Sachs" crowd...

We shall see. I feel like I've been dating a girl for 15 years and now she likes Brandade de Morue and I still like a steak on the grill. We've grown apart.
 
I went to a private showing of Sea Ray yachts including the 450DB, 510DA, 580DA, and 610DA. I opened the engine hatch on the 450, 510, and 580. All these boats are gorgeous, but the biggest difference I see in the new models vs. the old models is a quantum leap in engine room design and serviceability, especially in the Sundancers. Comparing apples to apples, my 48DA and the replacement 510DA: the engines of the 510 had 360 degree access. There was space to sit comfortably with tools on the outboard sides of the engines. I could do a 360 around one engine in less than 30 seconds. That is impossible in my boat. I can't get to the forward outboard corners. Maybe it's due to the Zeus, because I have large exhaust pipes outboard of my engines. The 450 wasn't terrible. You could get at all sides of the engines, just not as easily to the outboard sides and not the top. I imagine the 510 fly engine room would be just like the 510DA.
 

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