Dr. Fauci

Henry Boyd said:
Why don’t you get the facts correct? 24000 to 62000 is the estimate for the 2019-2020 flu season per CDC over the period mid October to mid April, or six months.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/preliminary-in-season-estimates.htm

We are at 88,754 deaths at two and a half months of widespread Covid-19 per Johns Hopkins. That’s also with the economy shut down and a large block of the population under stay at home advisory.

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality

Not quite the same thing. You are delusional if you think the flu is as bad as Covid. Hospitals do not get overrun during the flu season. Temporary field hospitals are not needed in flu season.
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I didn't say the 2019-2020 flu season. I was speaking of several years past as averages.

You're now resorting to twisting numbers to make an inane argument. BTW, hospitals didn't get over run during Covid19 either, but many hospitals did lay off workers due to shut downs over Covid. Remember the field hospitals set up in NYC? Hardly used. Remember the USNS Hospital ships sent to NYC and LA? Hardly used.

Here's a FACT. If someone gets infected with COVID19 they have a 99.9% chance of surviving. Covid19 has approximately the same mortality rate as the flu, and the flu actually kills more people in a broader range (youth, middle age, elderly, no pre existing conditions).

But continue to play into the Covid19 safety theater. Locking down healthy people, making everyone wear mask (whether effective or not) will not end the virus. Herd immunity will, and the Covid19 fear mongers do not want to see herd immunity, just like they fought back against hydroxychloroquine.

BTW, I'm old enough to remember the Hong Kong Flu. In '68-'69, the Hong Kong flu pandemic killed about 1 million people world-wide and about 100,000 people in the US. I don't remember the government destroying businesses and jobs, locking people in their homes and demanding we all wear mask.
 
Like another thread on Covid-19, this thread has all the hallmarks of the 7 stages of grief (represented variously by different members in their posts):

1. SHOCK & DENIAL

2. PAIN & GUILT

3. ANGER & BARGAINING

4. “DEPRESSION”, REFLECTION, LONELINESS

5. THE UPWARD TURN

6. RECONSTRUCTION & WORKING THROUGH

7. ACCEPTANCE & HOPE
 
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I think these cloth masks people are making is ineffective as depending on your underwear and pants to prevent someone from smelling your farts.
 
CaptRonn said:
I didn't say the 2019-2020 flu season. I was speaking of several years past as averages.

You're now resorting to twisting numbers to make an inane argument. BTW, hospitals didn't get over run during Covid19 either, but many hospitals did lay off workers due to shut downs over Covid. Remember the field hospitals set up in NYC? Hardly used. Remember the USNS Hospital ships sent to NYC and LA? Hardly used.

Here's a FACT. If someone gets infected with COVID19 they have a 99.9% chance of surviving. Covid19 has approximately the same mortality rate as the flu, and the flu actually kills more people in a broader range (youth, middle age, elderly, no pre existing conditions).

But continue to play into the Covid19 safety theater. Locking down healthy people, making everyone wear mask (whether effective or not) will not end the virus. Herd immunity will, and the Covid19 fear mongers do not want to see herd immunity, just like they fought back against hydroxychloroquine.

BTW, I'm old enough to remember the Hong Kong Flu. In '68-'69, the Hong Kong flu pandemic killed about 1 million people world-wide and about 100,000 people in the US. I don't remember the government destroying businesses and jobs, locking people in their homes and demanding we all wear mask.
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You don’t like the most recent mutation of the flu? Why don’t you throw in the Spanish flu? Or other older versions that no longer exist because the flu mutated to what it is today.

You apparently missed the memo, hydroxychloroquine does not work, or has not worked in enough cases, to support the notion it does work. If it did work, it would be treated as a wonder drug. It’s just a false start.

You are delusional. People in Boston were put into temporary field hospitals. I only know the Hospitals in my health network, but all were closed to all but Covid cases. In the past two months I have had three hospital based appointments (non elective and very necessary) for follow up on my cancer and transplant postponed and rescheduled, not for my personal condition, but because the hospitals themselves were closed to all non Covid infected people not healthcare workers.

Oh so tell me about the people who were sent to temporary hospitals in NYC. The ones you called hardly used. You do realize that there was no other place for them to receive care? You do realize there was NO place in the existing hospitals, don’t you? That sounds to me like hospitals were overrun, and without the temporary ones sick people would have gone untreated.

As for layoffs in hospitals, you do realize a metropolitan hospital is also a large office building don’t you? You know billing department, administrators, it people, accountants, social workers, customer service, parking attendants, gift shop sales people, etc. all people who do not, and can not be re purposed. Likewise, there are physical limitations on the number of people who can work in an area, not based on social distancing, but plain old production line planning 101. If you have more people you can use, and it is inherently dangerous for workers, you send the excess home. What prudent employer would put unneeded people in harms way where they could become infected?

You throw out the example of the Hong Kong flu. WHEN IT WAS OVER 100,000 people had died. Covid-19 is just beginning and we are nearly at the 100,000 mark.
And that is after the country has been shut down and people in isolation in some states for two months. Don’t you get it? It’s not magically going away at midnight when Mass becomes the last state to reopen. The infection numbers are going to go up. That’s a fact.
 
RBB said:
I think these cloth masks people are making is ineffective as depending on your underwear and pants to prevent someone from smelling your farts.
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Exactly.

Think TSA. At the airport, does anyone believe going through the TSA gauntlet, removing your shoes, having your bags x rayed, having a tatted long haired man bunned agent groping you and shaking down an 85 year old woman in a wheel chair is actually protecting the flying public?

All security theater.
 
RBB said:
I think these cloth masks people are making is ineffective as depending on your underwear and pants to prevent someone from smelling your farts.
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But your underwear does stop the brown bits from getting through. Same thing with virus laden snot and spit when you cough or sneeze into a mask.
 
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Henry Boyd said:
So 3,300,000 dead a year is ok with you? You truly are a fine humanitarian.
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Your math is wrong, that would be 330,000 dead. And no that is not OK, but we do live in the real world and shit happens. People drown, people get killed in automotive accidents, and way too many people are killed by medical malpractice.
 
Henry Boyd said:
But your underwear does stop the brown bits from getting through. Same thing with virus laden snot and spit when you cough or sneeze into a mask.
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Stephen Colbert says that we all need to start farting into our elbow.
 
Henry Boyd said:
According to you N95 masks don’t work because the filter spacing is greater than particle size.

Then why is the entire world’s medical and first responder establishment searching for supplies of them?

Why are people chartering jet freighters to go and buy them for hospitals and first responders.

They must be stupid.

Thanks for the further “edumacation”. So what if masks are not required. A mask prevents the spread of disease by people who are infected and contagious whether they have Visible symptoms or not. Why don’t you wear a mask because it’s just the right thing to do? Sure by your logic one can stroll around Chicago in January in zero degree weather in shorts and a tee shirt because no one says they can’t. Not very smart, but you can do it. The difference is, in that process you won’t spread a dangerous disease to anyone who comes in contact with you.

But tell me. How do you know you were healthy? How can you prove it?

Answer the questions.
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Because the masses of peoples are sheep, cattle. They no longer think for themselves. They trust what they hear in the media and from politicians including globalists like Fauci.

That’s why they wear them.
 
LTD.330 said:
Your math is wrong, that would be 330,000 dead. And no that is not OK, but we do live in the real world and shit happens. People drown, people get killed in automotive accidents, and way too many people are killed by medical malpractice.
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Henry was correct. 1% of 330 million is 3.3 million.

Large scale studies are starting to be completed in Europe where the population which actually caught the disease are measured using antibody tests. The fatality rates are coming in closer to 1.1%. So, 3.6 Million deaths if the entire population caught covid. See https://english.elpais.com/society/...paniards-have-contracted-the-coronavirus.html.

But, everyone catching the virus is unlikely since herd immunity would kick in at about two-thirds of the population leading to death toll of 2.2 million or so.

In my opinion, I think we can expect to see a continued decline in infections and deaths during the summer. The impact of weather in repressing spread seems to be becoming clear. But, as complacency and/or resistence like we are seeing on this thread takes hold during the lull we will lose the opportunity to contain the virus and it will continue to spread slowly. Then, when the weather effect goes away we may be looking at an even greater return in the fall with death totals far exceeding what was just experienced as well as even worse economic impact. If we as a country embraced sensible but inconvenient measures like mask wearing instead of attributing some sort of political significance to them, we might have a chance but I am not optimistic.
 
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El Capitan said:
Because the masses of peoples are sheep, cattle. They no longer think for themselves. They trust what they hear in the media and from politicians including globalists like Fauci.

That’s why they wear them.
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And I thought you were the Village Idiot. Boy was I wrong. You are batflit crazy. You really need a tinfoil hat. “Politicians including globalists like Fauci”. WTF, where did that come from?
 
Henry Boyd said:
And I thought you were the Village Idiot. Boy was I wrong. You are batflit crazy. You really need a tinfoil hat.
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this forum is too nice to get personal but after reading some statements of two 'captains' which both are far below basic school education level i had to laugh hard reading terms like "village idiot" and "you need a tinfoil hat"

hahahaha , that was really a good one !!!
 
At $40k (if true) a pop how would u report.
 
mratlndmrk said:
Imagine what the actual number of ACTUAL Covid deaths will be if NY especially, but all states finally fixes this mis-reporting. We will be down under 50,000 (so far).

https://www.theblaze.com/news/color...jXwJsZIf1B8Yskamrpn82fjVLz9Y3gtgITZF_7aH_BWPc

Dr. Deborah Birx, who is the White House coronavirus task force response coordinator, reportedly said, "There is nothing from the CDC that I can trust."
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uh, no. Your math is wrong.
1150-300 = 850
850/1150=73.91%
0.7391*89,562 = 66,198
Per Johns Hopkins mortality link cited above

BTW, It does not follow that the other 49 states, dc and American territories were using the same methodology. Until other states change their record keeping and amend death certificates the total still stands where it is.
 
Henry Boyd said:
uh, no. Your math is wrong.
1150-300 = 850
850/1150=73.91%
0.7391*89,562 = 66,198
Per Johns Hopkins mortality link cited above

BTW, It does not follow that the other 49 states, dc and American territories were using the same methodology. Until other states change their record keeping and amend death certificates the total still stands where it is.
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I didn't know it was a math test. My point stands. In fact it's probably 50 precent my NY. More importantly is Dr Birx quote. That tells you all you need to know.
 
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